Whom would you Prefer at 6th position in test A batsman or an all Rounder?

[Ankit_sharma03]

Finally we see a Diff approach from us in test cricket which is need for the hour. 

In last 2 yrs we have seen Team wanting to play that fifth bowler and our main aim is now to pick 20 wkts instead saving a test with 4 bowlers.

There has been a debate due to numerous reason for the 6th position to play a proper batsman or an all rounder, Specially after binny underbowled in 2nd test and even in 1st test our main fast bowler didnt bowl many over. But can we step in every match think we r gonna get opposition out soon . What if the opposition scores 500 and they ll some day specially its gonna happen very often in overseas.

What favours in having a proper batsman at 6

1. Lack of quality all rounder and the risk of playing bits and pieces cricketers like binny , jadeja, axar 

2. Not having a gr8 wK batsman . The debate wud hve been put to rest had we had someone like andy flower or gilchrist . But we have Saha n next wud b Ojha who is a better batsman but not keeper, Samson who is struggling in ranji n his keeping has gone down. This makes our batting look week n there are more chances of a colapse in overseas.

3. Rahane n Kohli not making double hundred or big scores

4. Having an opener like Dhawan who is highly inconsistent .

5. question mark over pujara in overseas. 

6. 6th batsman give that extra cushion. N since many ppl love living in past so they can give the theory we always played with 6 batsman + 4 bowlers.

 

Batting options

a. Rohit sharma- Can take the game away quickly n has the game for this position but but but he hardly does that . He avg 26 in last 12 test away. N is highly irresponsible n throws his wkt in crunch sitautions . Eg- Adeilade, Gabba , 3rd test in eng infact all last few tests.

B. Karun nair - Looks classy can b tried 

C. Shreyas iyer- Currently in supreme form and again has the game to play at 6 . Can take the game away quickly. 

d. Baba aparjith- dark horse in teh race n who can bowl a bit 

 

What favours in having an all rounder

1. If we want to play bowlers with pace like Umesh, aaron, Shami, nathu singh , we cant xpect them to bowl longer spell with same pace in case of 4th bowler. So in that case we need 5th bowler who could bowl 10 over n give them rest also dnt leak runs so that game doesnt slip from hands. 

2. Not having the luxury of having Sachin,sehwag n ganguly who together use to fill up the quota of 5th bowler and in favourable conditions they were more than handy. Now we dnt have batsman who could bowl much 

3. Not having a bowler like anil kumble who could bowl marathon spells with same accuracy which was a big plus in 2003 aus tour.

4. Its better to have an all rounder at 6 than a player like rohit who avg 26 in last 12 test and could throw his wkt any time and also does that more often in 30-40s n if set 60-70. I do expect a 100 from a no 6. That much of Score i can expect from binny jadeja saha n ashwin. N binny has saved a test in eng  and ashwin avg almost 40 in 2011 aus tour .

5. Do we have a hussey or vvs laxman waiting in the wings to bat at 6 . Nooooo

6. Most pitches around the world have become xtremely Flat and we have young bowlers whom we cudnt rely on taking 20 wkts. We have suffered due to bowling in most last overseas tour.

7. Ashwin yet to perform overseas. 

8. All our last few wins - Lords, Sl series and home series against aus we played 5 bowlers

9. Shows the intent to win to opposition rather than of having safe approach. E.g We dropped binny in 3rd test for Rohit in eng n we lost the match . It was a clear suggestion of going for safety 

10. Ultimately bowler wins u test matches not batsman 

 

All Rounder options-

1. Hardik pandya - Acc to me best choice overseas. He can take the game away quicky an imp skill at 6 since mostly u gonna bat with tail. Looks comfertable against fast bowling. Ranji scores suggest he puts a price on his wkt. Bowls upto 140k n is taking wkts in ranji. Looks strong and a gud fielder 

2. Jadeja- Well, he can play as a main spinner in indian conditions. N his batting n fielding is a bonus. Overseas he lacks self beilef with bats n goes out as to bat as a tailender. As bowler is decent enough can contain if cnt take a wkt. But at 6 in overseas. Cant reply on his batting

3. Binny - A very avg player in all regards. His batting isnt as bad as jadeja. Can b handy with ball in seaming conditions. No use in India. Not a gr8 fielder. Inconsistent with bat . To his credit did well in SL , Zimb n Cb series one match n Saved a test 

4. Gurkeerat Mann- A handy bowler in Subcontinent conditions. Doubt on his batting n bowling overseas. Could b perfect at 6 at home 

5. Irfan pathan- skillfully best , fitness wise worst .

6. Shreyas gopal- Can be an intersting option specially beinga leg spinner specially abroad. But His batting is to be tested abroad. 

7.Rishi dhawan - Selectors looks to hav lost faith in him . As bowler is more than decent bowler. 

8. Parvez Rasool- His recent Ranji scores suggest he has become more of batsman . 

 

Whom would you go for ???????????

 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2015 by Ankit_sharma03

[Bleed-Blue]

Another Suggestion Vijay Shankar

[Bleed-Blue]

Imo this is what we should do Overseas.

Bains(wk)

Vijay

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Shankar

Pandya

Ashwin 

Yadav

Aaron /Shami

Ishant

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

Forgot to add Vijay shankar

His batting looks quite gud , havent seen him bowl. 

Ny clips of his bowling

 

Edited November 17, 2015 by Ankit_sharma03

[Laaloo]

Anyone other than Binny

[rkt.india]

a batsman who can bowl a bit.

[moniker]

A hard hitting batsman who can bowl medium pace. Someone who can average about 35 with both bat and ball would work great.

[express bowling]

At no. 6 we need a proper batsman who can score quickly when needed, can play fast bowling, hang in there when the chips are down and can bowl 15 overs a day as a proper bowler.

Who would qualify ?

Hardik Pandya when ready for international cricket.

Gurkeerat Mann in the subcontinent ? I don't know whether he can play fast bowling. Anyone has any idea ?

 

Edited November 18, 2015 by express bowling

[express bowling]

537

 

 

Gurkeerat Singh Mann      

India

Full name Gurkeerat Rupinder Singh

Born June 29, 1990, Muktsar, Punjab

Current age 25 years 142 days

Major teams India A, Kings XI Punjab, Punjab

Batting style Right-hand bat

Bowling style Right-arm offbreak

Batting and fielding averages

	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	4s	6s	Ct	St
First-class	22	34	3	1469	201*	47.38	1831	80.22	3	7	194	10	9	0
List A	40	34	4	1383	108	46.10	1553	89.05	1	11	142	21	13	0
Twenty20	55	48	9	834	93*	21.38	684	121.92	0	4	91	23	22	3

Bowling averages

	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10
First-class	22	23	1300	642	32	5/38	9/52	20.06	2.96	40.6	3	1	0
List A	40	13	406	311	10	5/29	5/29	31.10	4.59	40.6	0	1	0
Twenty20	55	7	96	117	4	2/17	2/17	29.25	7.31	24.0	0	0	0

 

From ESPNCRICINFO - Link below

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/play537124.htmler/

Just look at the average and strike rate for both batting and bowling in the 4 and 5 day games.

Edited November 18, 2015 by express bowling

[tweaker]

We need allrounders like Pandya,Jayant Yadav,Jalaj Saxena,& wicketkeeper batsman like Ankush Bains,Ishan Kishan.Selectors should be brave & select raw talent instead of Binny,Harbhajan etc

[Wasim9211]

India need all rounder who can bowl and also bat plus he should good Fielder .for example Raina type 

so I think Gurkeerat Singh Mann fits well  with good performance with both bat and ball but I do not think Hardik pandya,or Stuart Binny India should chase.Chatterjee hits 4 century this season he should give more encouragement and Guidance for bigger level 

instead hiding for later season.Shreyas Iyer  and Chand near selection in other category.vijay Shankar need to show more performances as bowler 

[Wasim9211]

Jayant Yadav more known for his spin bowling than batting but jalal  SaxSena kind of very useful player for any team

Deepak Hooda also better lower order handy batsman for number 7 for ODI,Indians nagging problem.

[cricketpitch]

The biggest problem we have is that the suggested all rounders have all not been utilized well enough in first class. Gurkeerat has good average and SR in 4-5 day games and can be a good all rounder in subcontinent but will he be a effective one overseas? We are not sure. He can be a good batting prospect everywhere though. H Pandya needs to bowl more at FC level to be considered as a bowling all rounder. 16 wickets is not good enough to decide he can be a viable option.

Vijay Shankar does not bowl enough for a spin heavy TN side. He on an average bowls less than 8 overs an innings. Which will not give him too many opportunities to pick up wickets. For these AR's to develop the domestic sides need to utilize them in both facets of the game.

The other name which hasn't been mentioned is Shreyas Gopal. He has gone backwards on his bowling but still a very good option being a leggie.

[tweaker]

Stokes performance highlight the value of true allrounder.We need to develop Hardik Pandya earlier

[express bowling]

Stokes performance highlight the value of true allrounder.We need to develop Hardik Pandya earlier

My thoughts exactly. 

At no.6 , we need an all rounder who can score quickly when needed. hang in there  when the chips are down and bowl decently between 130 k to 142 k. 

Hardik Pandya is the only option really.

[Ankit_sharma03]

My thoughts exactly. 

At no.6 , we need an all rounder who can score quickly when needed. hang in there  when the chips are down and bowl decently between 130 k to 142 k. 

Hardik Pandya is the only option really.

 

I Absolutely Endorse that thoughts

Hardik pandya is the guy 

Also i beilve playing test cricket wud help him a better cricketer as well which i thought if west indies wud have done with pollard like eng n aus is doing with marsh n stokes. Pollard cud have been better n consistent cricketer,

 

Hardik Pandya shud b srsly invested in b4 we go overseas next . 

 

[WC2011INDIA]

I agree that Hardik Pandya needs to be be developed. I would like to see him in all formats of the game. Not sure if he will be successful in test format, but shorter formats definitely needs to be selected. I think on flat tracks Hardik can contribute in tests as well.

[express bowling]

repeat post

Edited January 3, 2016 by express bowling

[maniac]

I think bhuvi has a good technique to be tried out as an allrounder.

he has good technique with the bat..... Can't see him slog though.

[express bowling]

Just saw a short clip on TV of Hardik Pandya bowling in Ranji Trophy.

Good pace, good height, hitting the deck hard  with some deliveries, getting outswing with others.

Liked what I saw.