Isnt the reason for poor conditions of muslims so obvious?

[veer]

After Paris attacks, I've been hearing a lot of news on radio and television and some of them are saying poor conditions of muslims pushing youngsters to terrorism and extremism and what not..

But isnt the poor conditions of muslims so obvious?

I am sorry but it is time to be blunt about some of the issues..

Major reason I see about Mulims being in poor condition is because they have been producing more kids than what they can provide for. I see 3-4 kids running around for them when only Man of the house is working in the family while woman doesnt even work. And this is very typical in a lot of places and among many muslim ethniciy not just Indian muslims. Me and my bunch of friends and cousins talk about not thinking about 2nd or 3rd kid as its too expensive to give kids good living. We are of thinking that if both parents are not earning than its impossible to raise two kids.

I wonder why no one is seeing this obvious trend and ready to agree that europe, US and India social system is to blame for their poor conditions. Unbelievable entitlement menatlity..

[rkt.india]

"Bache allah ki den hain" this is the jumla they use.

[coffee_rules]

Not just muslims, even poor people of all religions with less access to family planning and in villages, the number of kids they have is too much. Only educated urban middle-class people plan families well.

[veer]

Not just muslims, even poor people of all religions with less access to family planning and in villages, the number of kids they have is too much. Only educated urban middle-class people plan families well.

Not true.. I live in states so i doubt if only poor and uneducated people are around me. It has more to do with religious belief that more off spring means more spreading of religion... they got two ways to grow their religion.. more reproduce and conversion. So while their religious obligation is to reproduce more, their other obligation is to whine about poor conditions provided by govt.

This is not true for all muslims but this is growing trend i am seeing..

[coffee_rules]

Not true.. I live in states so i doubt if only poor and uneducated people are around me. It has more to do with religious belief that more off spring means more spreading of religion... they got two ways to grow their religion.. more reproduce and conversion. So while their religious obligation is to reproduce more, their other obligation is to whine about poor conditions provided by govt.

This is not true for all muslims but this is growing trend i am seeing..

I have seen some evangelical couples going around with a bunch of kids 4/5 in US. Even orthodox jews as well. I think some people dont believe in family planning. It is not related to one religion only. I think it is about education.

[bulbul]

Its obvious to everyone except that particular community & intellectuals/pseudo seculars of some other communities.

 

[Book_Worm]

I used to think the same that muslims breed etc. But if you really look even at pakistan their population is still less or even the gulf countries there u will find more immigrants than locals population is still less. Even Countries like syria/lebonan iran iraq etc all have decent sized population. Even Malaysia is not over populated.

This may be an issue for indian muslims only  they are very poor community. Also when partition happened elite /educated upper middle class muslims who had the means to travel left for pakistan. The poor/lower middle class stayed back.  But to blame only muslims for over population is not correct. Hindus especially those in North eastern part etc are breeding a lot.

 

[bulbul]

I used to think the same that muslims breed etc. But if you really look even at pakistan their population is still less or even the gulf countries there u will find more immigrants than locals population is still less. Even Countries like syria/lebonan iran iraq etc all have decent sized population. Even Malaysia is not over populated.

This may be an issue for indian muslims only  they are very poor community. Also when partition happened elite /educated upper middle class muslims who had the means to travel left for pakistan. The poor/lower middle class stayed back.  But to blame only muslims for over population is not correct. Hindus especially those in North eastern part etc are breeding a lot.

 

Even if Hindus breed as you say they still try to get their children educated a much as possible.Muslims cannot blame anyone else regarding poverty,there are more Hindus below poverty line compared to Muslims in India.

[Book_Worm]

Even if Hindus breed as you say they still try to get their children educated a much as possible.Muslims cannot blame anyone else regarding poverty,there are more Hindus below poverty line compared to Muslims in India.

Yes i hindus pay more attention to education than muslims.   Exactly hindus are equally poor. But i was replying to the OP who was talking about world muslims and population. I have travelled to many muslim countries and have not seen over population like we do in india.

[bulbul]

At least in India more kids are their real problem.

[Laaloo]

Nah. Muslims are the most misunderstood people in history of human civilization.

[veer]

 

I have seen some evangelical couples going around with a bunch of kids 4/5 in US. Even orthodox jews as well. I think some people dont believe in family planning. It is not related to one religion only. I think it is about education.

You are not getting my point. My point is that all couples are free to produce even 10 kids as long as you are able to provide for them on your own. They should not rely on government for assistance and then blame on the system for their poor conditions.

[veer]

I used to think the same that muslims breed etc. But if you really look even at pakistan their population is still less or even the gulf countries there u will find more immigrants than locals population is still less. Even Countries like syria/lebonan iran iraq etc all have decent sized population. Even Malaysia is not over populated.

This may be an issue for indian muslims only  they are very poor community. Also when partition happened elite /educated upper middle class muslims who had the means to travel left for pakistan. The poor/lower middle class stayed back.  But to blame only muslims for over population is not correct. Hindus especially those in North eastern part etc are breeding a lot.

 

You have no clue what you are talking about. You are comparing Pakistan's population with India's? In the past, India used to produce a lot when things were affordable... then time moved on to new era and things became less affordable if you have three kids and of middle class. And just check average age for countries like Syria/Lebanon/Iran/Iraq.. it'll be of 18 to 25 range

[Book_Worm]

You have no clue what you are talking about. You are comparing Pakistan's population with India's? In the past, India used to produce a lot when things were affordable... then time moved on to new era and things became less affordable if you have three kids and of middle class. And just check average age for countries like Syria/Lebanon/Iran/Iraq.. it'll be of 18 to 25 range

Maybe i have no clue but neither do you. Pakistan is a muslim country isn't it. I am not comparing pakistan with india,( u are assuming that i am ) I am making an observation that even though it is  a muslim country it's population is still decent and it was ahead of india in terms of development up to the 90's and then faltered because of extremism.  About syria/Lebanon/Iran/Iraq may be i was wrong about age factor but that still  does'nt mean that they are over populated or Unable to take care of their families. Iran is a well developed country  and Lebonan Syria etc before all this madness have always had better standard of living than India and were prosperous.  The problem is that their women folk are not educated( u did mention that) and also because islam is used as a political tool and their tribal/ethnic divisions.

Maybe Indian muslims are breeding But i feel we are just shifting the blame on them. Indian hindus too in their quest for male child have many kids till they get one. I have seen it happening many times. 

[Singh bling]

I used to think the same that muslims breed etc. But if you really look even at pakistan their population is still less or even the gulf countries there u will find more immigrants than locals population is still less. Even Countries like syria/lebonan iran iraq etc all have decent sized population. Even Malaysia is not over populated.

This may be an issue for indian muslims only  they are very poor community. Also when partition happened elite /educated upper middle class muslims who had the means to travel left for pakistan. The poor/lower middle class stayed back.  But to blame only muslims for over population is not correct. Hindus especially those in North eastern part etc are breeding a lot.

 

Middle east never had the fertile land to sustain decent population ,life was quite harsh earlier if you don't have access to food  no matter how many kids you produce the society will never get over populated because so many will die

And Pakistan is overpopulated , its 100 million population live in West punjab with population density of 490 while sindh has 46 million with population density of 300, It is because rest of country that is empty and non important they don't look over populated

[panther]

Middle east never had the fertile land to sustain decent population ,life was quite harsh earlier if you don't have access to food  no matter how many kids you produce the society will never get over populated because so many will die

And Pakistan is overpopulated , its 100 million population live in West punjab with population density of 490 while sindh has 46 million with population density of 300, It is because rest of country that is empty and non important they don't look over populated

Pak punjab is fertile enough to feed all of pak, If indian punjab which is only 1/4 the size of pak punjab can produce 15% of the food for India than pak punjab can easily maintain our population. 

[panther]

As for Op Muslim overpopulation varies from region to region, you have less fertility in many muslim countries especially Former soviet countries and Iran, but in the poorer yemen, iraq, Afghanistan and africa the fertility rate is high, even Bangladesh and Indonesia have modest fertility rates. 

[Singh bling]

Pak punjab is fertile enough to feed all of pak, If indian punjab which is only 1/4 the size of pak punjab can produce 15% of the food for India than pak punjab can easily maintain our population. 

For how long? 490 per sqkm is very high density.

[cowboysfan]

dont agree with the OP.its the lack of education which is the root cause and you can partly blame that on the religion where half the population are treated as virtual slaves.