Do India have the potential to be best cricketing nation in near future?

[express bowling]

Munaf had 4 wickets per test after 6 tests and most of his wickets were taken and not gifted. Umesh had 32 wickets after 8 tests at 4 wickets per test, most of his wickets were good balls. Shami got a lot of gifted wickets in Aus when batsmen were trying to hit out. He was rubbish in England and below average in Australia.

Munaf was really good uto 6 or 8  tests. If he had retained his pace and action, he would have been one of our best bowlers till date..

Umesh has wicket taking ability too...I don't think any of us doubt it.

Thing is...we don't have many options in the pace department and Shami is one of our better choices provided he retains his pace after injury.

 

Edited November 19, 2015 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

Munaf was really good uto 6 or 8  tests. If he had retained his pace and action, he would have been one of our best bowlers till date..

Umesh has wicket taking ability too...I don't think any of us doubt it.

Thing is...we don't have many options in the pace department and Shami is one of our better bets provided he retains his pace after injury.

 

What I meant is none of them really stands out at this point. They all have one thing of the other lacking.

[express bowling]

What I meant is none of them really stands out at this point. They all have one thing of the other lacking.

Absolutely.so. That is why it just boils down to picking the best among ordinary pacers.

[Wasim9211]

shami  was more effective than ishu s.because he was among wickets all time 3 wkts.which reduces burden for Ashwin but right now we are less depends on seamer.we need shami from January 2016 in Australia.His coach insist about his Fitness but Kohli do not want to take chance for rest of series koz he not playing for long time.

we need 3 opener alltime, so we can change for better,our Rigid policy, most time bother me of team selection.During our last series we try opener more than anyone did, in 3 match series yet result still zero,apart from 283 vs nobody, we not have decent start from 16 innings [ 80 few days ago only ]

Frankly speaking  Rahane,Saha and Kohli very un-predictable for test matches,our world class batsman doing great  vs weaker opposition like srilanka,[ more weaker now with-out Thirimane,sanga,Tharanga ]  Zimbabwe, and  Bangladesh.we are Lucky that we have 2 Diamonds in our team [ batsman ] but we missed Dhoni ,when sachin Left,i thought, very soon we get pandey ,yet he lost his touch, eventully down and out.

I hopes high for  star Nair,,shreyas Iyer,chand,Gurkeerat. After all, BCCI has to, pick 17 good player.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Wasim9211

[TheWall]

When is Shami going to return????

[Anik Krishna]

By Potential Bangladesh is better than India. 

#Soumya#Mustafiz#Sabbir

[cricketpitch]

What's is Indian crickets worst enemy is Selectors nn Doni, Doni is gone now Sandeep n co the blind fuckers need to go, what bumbling idiots we have seen as selectors,nSreekant was abad one, no planning, developing , nurturing n playing repeated failures mediocre trundlers like Unadkunt, Malaria, Chawal Kholkurni, Morbid Sharma who R not even first class standard of most nations , not to forget ,Vinee n Aravinda the trundler lol

Please tell me whom do you want as selectors? Do you want to select the Indian team yourself? The previous Srikkanth administrators was criticized like hell before and people complained of bias and worst time for Indian cricket. When the new panel was formed the Indian fans were going gaga over them saying that the worst phase of Indian cricket is over and this selection committee is the best. Now you want this selection committee to go to. I hope people understand that no matter who heads the panel, the situation is going to remain the same.

I have been watching cricket for 24 years now and I have seen the same pattern with all the selection committees of the past. So instead of complaining about it and keep calling everyone crap and asking for them to be replaced just deal with it.

[gakgupta]

Please tell me whom do you want as selectors? Do you want to select the Indian team yourself? The previous Srikkanth administrators was criticized like hell before and people complained of bias and worst time for Indian cricket. When the new panel was formed the Indian fans were going gaga over them saying that the worst phase of Indian cricket is over and this selection committee is the best. Now you want this selection committee to go to. I hope people understand that no matter who heads the panel, the situation is going to remain the same.

I have been watching cricket for 24 years now and I have seen the same pattern with all the selection committees of the past. So instead of complaining about it and keep calling everyone crap and asking for them to be replaced just deal with it.

The best i have seen was under vengserkar....he had some planning and approach....but after that things have become bad and now worst........

Hopefully kohli takes the things in his own hands and pick his own team...

[fineleg]

I actually consider it that we HAVE a series victory in Aus. (the umpiring screwed it up so it could not really happen, but will consider it as a series victory)

[MCcricket]

Please tell me whom do you want as selectors? Do you want to select the Indian team yourself? The previous Srikkanth administrators was criticized like hell before and people complained of bias and worst time for Indian cricket. When the new panel was formed the Indian fans were going gaga over them saying that the worst phase of Indian cricket is over and this selection committee is the best. Now you want this selection committee to go to. I hope people understand that no matter who heads the panel, the situation is going to remain the same.

I have been watching cricket for 24 years now and I have seen the same pattern with all the selection committees of the past. So instead of complaining about it and keep calling everyone crap and asking for them to be replaced just deal with it.

This is a defeatist attitude it is not the talent but BCCI administration which has failed us mostly, as they think they R bigger then the game, talent n cricketers, players from Bihar don't have any participation in Ranji trophy for years, never value talent, development, nurturing or R goal oriented.

There were some decent panels in the past always complimented by good captains n coaches , like Ganguly, Pataudi, Borde, More, Vengsarkar, these guys moreor less tried to fill in weaker areasn planned a bit.

With Patil,Cheeks it was a case of Russian roulette among mediocre players, Patils selections R horrible n things got worse as the Fletcher n Dhoni did not care or demand maybe Dhoni did to get his CSK team to national side

[cricketpitch]

This is a defeatist attitude it is not the talent but BCCI administration which has failed us mostly, as they think they R bigger then the game, talent n cricketers, players from Bihar don't have any participation in Ranji trophy for years, never value talent, development, nurturing or R goal oriented.

There were some decent panels in the past always complimented by good captains n coaches , like Ganguly, Pataudi, Borde, More, Vengsarkar, these guys moreor less tried to fill in weaker areasn planned a bit.

With Patil,Cheeks it was a case of Russian roulette among mediocre players, Patils selections R horrible n things got worse as the Fletcher n Dhoni did not care or demand maybe Dhoni did to get his CSK team to national side

Ganguly's time was not without favoritism. The only reason Deepdas "Goalkeeper" Gupta played for India was because of Sourav. Also the CSK thing is so old and it is not even funny. Vijay and Ashwin have already proven that they deserved to be in the squad. Jaddu was India's best spinner for almost 2 years before he went off boil last year and he has made a strong comeback. If you are talking about Badrinath, everyone agrees that he deserved a chance in the X1, CSK or not. If you are talking about Mohit, he is not as bad as he is made out to be by Indian fans. Okay let us compare the stats of Mohit and the huge fan favorite and over rated Umesh Yadav (Only thing going for him is his pace)

In ODI,

Umesh averages 32.23 at a SR of 33 with a Economy rate of 5.84

Mohit averages 32.90 at a SR of 36 with a economy rate of 5.45

I don't see Umesh is doing much better than Mohit in ODI's. So please don't get this CSK thing. All these players would have made their debut with or without Dhoni. Now tell me people are are still crying about selections under current management when the ODI side does not contain anyone from CSK other than Dhoni, Ashwin and Mohit (occasionally) in it. Dhoni and Ashwin are there on merit. There can be a case that Mohit isn't good but Umesh is worse by the above statistic. And contrary to the statements Umesh has played twice the number of ODI's Mohit has played and has performed equally or worse. An economy rate of 5.84 is a joke for a ODI bowler who is considered as second coming of Marshall. He is not even in the league of Ajith Agarkar in ODI and is moving quickly towards Ajith Agarkar in tests too. His average is currently 39.

[Singh bling]

I am more worried that in future we are going to be only cricketing nation

[Mosher]

Ganguly's time was not without favoritism. The only reason Deepdas "Goalkeeper" Gupta played for India was because of Sourav. Also the CSK thing is so old and it is not even funny. Vijay and Ashwin have already proven that they deserved to be in the squad. Jaddu was India's best spinner for almost 2 years before he went off boil last year and he has made a strong comeback. If you are talking about Badrinath, everyone agrees that he deserved a chance in the X1, CSK or not. If you are talking about Mohit, he is not as bad as he is made out to be by Indian fans. Okay let us compare the stats of Mohit and the huge fan favorite and over rated Umesh Yadav (Only thing going for him is his pace)

In ODI,

Umesh averages 32.23 at a SR of 33 with a Economy rate of 5.84

Mohit averages 32.90 at a SR of 36 with a economy rate of 5.45

I don't see Umesh is doing much better than Mohit in ODI's. So please don't get this CSK thing. All these players would have made their debut with or without Dhoni. Now tell me people are are still crying about selections under current management when the ODI side does not contain anyone from CSK other than Dhoni, Ashwin and Mohit (occasionally) in it. Dhoni and Ashwin are there on merit. There can be a case that Mohit isn't good but Umesh is worse by the above statistic. And contrary to the statements Umesh has played twice the number of ODI's Mohit has played and has performed equally or worse. An economy rate of 5.84 is a joke for a ODI bowler who is considered as second coming of Marshall. He is not even in the league of Ajith Agarkar in ODI and is moving quickly towards Ajith Agarkar in tests too. His average is currently 39.

Bowling in ODI's is not just about econ rates. Taking wickets is much more important. Its not like there is huge difference in Umesh and Mohit's economy rates. But Umesh's strike rate and Avg is much better than Mohit's. I would rather have a wicket taking bowler in the side than a bowler who is considered "accurate" but goes for almost the same amount of runs.

Compare 2014 and 2015 till date ODI stats of Umesh and Mohit.

2014:

Umesh averages 22.41 at a SR of 25.17 with a Economy rate of 5.34

Mohit averages 35.25 at a SR of 47.50 with a economy rate of 4.45

2015:

Umesh averages 25.28 at a SR of 26.48 with a Economy rate of 5.72

Mohit averages 28.30 at a SR of 30.17 with a economy rate of 5.62

Clearly Umesh > Mohit. Mohit is in the ODI side only because he is one of Dhoni's favorite bowlers and he offers him some mythical "control" and "accuracy".

 

[Debutant]

I am more worried that in future we are going to be only cricketing nation

Why is it a matter of worry ?? It would be great. We can have IPL for whole year  

[sticky wicket]

Until we don't have a plethora of quick bowlers with sub-30 average then India will never dominate, even if all batters aver 50+, it won't count for anything if we can't bowl out sides, in t20s, odis or Tests

[diehardpacer]

->As long as we keep treating our players as Gods,we can't be the best.Current team management's attitude is just pathetic towards new players. Kohli is doing right by playing Aaron and Umesh.But our problem is we always have at least 1 passenger in the team. Dhoni got till semis in WC due to Umesh,Shami,Ashwin and brilliant fielders.Pace was there in that attack.But again he has gone back to his pathetic defending mindset and is really a curse for emerging fast bowlers.In England,we kept playing Binny,Jadeja and Ashwin on those seaming tracks.None of them could take wickets there.If you see green pitch,play 4 proper fast bowlers and Ashwin.

->What I don't get is why our bowlers keep banging the ball for bouncers,keep leaking the runs and Captain says nothing to them to bowl fuller.Dhoni keeps saying since SA bowlers are getting more success with leg side bouncers,so our bowlers should try the same with them.But the problem is SA bowl to Dhoni,Axar,Rayudu and Binny in the death but we bowl to superior batsmen who enjoy hitting bouncers. McGrath was dangerous since he was getting more bounce from good areas and not because he was banging the ball.Sachin said it himself.

->We are winning now with turners.Soon as we reach Australia,same story follows.The argument that even Aussies and SA are not dominant away is not true.Both teams give tough competition in ODIs and T20s and lose or draw most tests in Asia.But we get clean sweeped every time abroad.

->Team needs to stop being so resistant to change,be it DRS or trying new players.

->To win regularly,play proper batsmen and proper bowlers.Get rid of Bugs Bunny,Biriyani man Rayudu,Axar,Mohit,Mohit and Dhawal forever.

->Get new selectors,coaches.Selectors are just having fun by selecting the same team every time.We are not getting proper coaches due to BCCI being adamant to have Indian Assistant coaches only.Guys like Lee,Donald Duck or even Dravid should be our coach,not the clown Shastri.It's funny to see the Master of tuk-tuk talk about aggression every time.