Dhoni's struggle as Twenty20 batsman

[Trichromatic]

 

Edited January 9, 2016 by Vibhash

[Trichromatic]

Only 1 batsman without any 50+ score.

[Mosher]

Yeah not scoring a 50 is understandable as he bats lower down the order and gets to face fewer balls in a T20 match. But what about that strike rate?? A strike rate of 116.53 in T20 and that too for a batsman that bats lower down the order is really poor.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Mosher

[Trichromatic]

How many in that list  bats at #6 

Dhoni has played most of the matches above #6. 16 at #6  and 5 at #7.

His SR at #6 is 110

 

[Mosher]

5 / 6 / 7 is a place where its easy to score 50's according to your logic.. 

Like i said i cannot see any 5 6 7 who scored 50 in that list.. That's pretty much says it all..

 

I agree its difficult to score 50's batting at 5th or 6th but why are you ignoring his poor strike rate of 116??

[Trichromatic]

5 / 6 / 7 is a place where its easy to score 50's according to your logic.. 

Like i said i cannot see any 5 6 7 who scored 50 in that list.. That's pretty much says it all..

 

I am saying that Dhoni has played most of the innings above no 6.

 

What exactly has he done as a twenty20 batsman to deserve a place in the team?

[rkt.india]

 

May be supporting your statement with Facts would help... 

He won the bloody First T20I WC as captain / WC / Captain

That's enough for his place in the Team LOL

and he has been captaining in WT20s since then because of that. He now has become a serial captain.

Shami update: He isn't at the ground. Could be flying back home today

[moniker]

I don't see anyone who bats at 5 or 6 in that list with better strike rate than him 

It's obvious that the role of a lower middle order batsman is to score quickly. Here are the stats at positions 5, 6 and 7. Doesn't look any rosy either.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=7;batting_positionmin1=5;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=20;qualval1=matches;template=results;type=batting

[philcric]

I don't see anyone who bats at 5 or 6 in that list with better strike rate than him 

I don't know how the list was generated in the original post.

But here you go .. List of T20 international batsmen in order of strike rates.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/282920.html

There are about 70 batsmen in that list with the last batsman's SR of about 120. It is possible that Dhoni with an SR of about 116 wouldn't be even in the top 100 list of SRs.

I've checked the top 20. There are about 10 batsmen in the top 20 who bat at #5 or below. Batsmen like Perera, Sammy, Chigumbura, Afridi, Yuvraj, A Morkel, Pollard, G Bailey, J Oram, M Hussey etc.

 

PS: I hope the above FACTS would help.

Edited January 9, 2016 by philcric

[philcric]

Batting at 5 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=5;batting_positionmin1=5;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=20;qualval1=matches;template=results;type=batting

I think they hidden MSD cause they are CSK fan

MSD batted at #5 on 16 occasions. So he wouldn't show up on the list if you put 20 min games as a filter.

I'm really not sure what you are looking for.

 

[philcric]

Playing most matches against worst T20 teams didn't help a tall.. Not sure when Yuvi batted below MSD..  G Bailey bats at #6,#7 ok ok 

Comparing one hit wonders like Oram 

 

I am done 

You asked us to show players at 5-6-7 having better strike rates than MSD. People provided stats. There are plenty of players who batted at 5-6-7 with much better SRs than MSD.

Nobody said Yuvi batted below MSD.

Why is Oram a one hit wonder ?

 

[philcric]

How many balls did he get to face in those 16 occasions is what i need to know..  VS what teams

LOL

Here you go ....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?batting_positionmax1=5;batting_positionmin1=5;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;template=results;type=batting;view=match

It's not too difficult to get these kinda stats using Cricinfo. 

[philcric]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGXT6UtFRfo

Why ? watch that

Agarkar is the Best ODI bestmen ever alive 

Oh dear. I think I gave you more credit than you deserved.

 

[Lannister]

For a lower order batsman its criminal to have a strike rate around 120 in T20s. He's just an overhyped batsman who is still in the team because of past glories. I hate those kind of players who are blocking potential young players who could've developed into a decent bats had they given chance by now. WTF is wrong with out selectors? 

[Sooda]

He needs longer to settle in now in Ltd Overs cricket than before, that is understandable he is 33. Once he does settle in, I still think he can score at run a ball at least. i think his place in ODIs is at no 5 or maybe even at 4 but I agree he should not be in the T20 team anymore, perhaps Ojha or Sanju will be good alternatives. even Saha has made some good runs in T20 lately. With MSDs powers on the wane and Raina struggling for form a bit We lack the serious lower order hitter that other teams have, we need to try the options that domestic cricket offer

[philcric]

Summary of this thread ...
                                

Vibhash: Dhoni struggled as T20I batsman. No 50+ score yet.

Viper: How many in that list  bats at #6 ?

Mosher: Yeah not scoring a 50 is understandable. But strike rate of 116.53 is really poor.

Vibhash: Dhoni has played most of the matches above #6

Viper: 5 / 6 / 7 is a place where its easy to score 50's according to your logic..

Mosher: I agree its difficult to score 50's batting at 5th or 6th but why are you ignoring his poor strike rate of 116??

Vibhash: I am saying that Dhoni has played most of the innings above no 6. 

Viper: I don't see anyone who bats at 5 or 6 in that list with better strike rate than him 

Vibhash: What exactly has he done as a twenty20 batsman to deserve a place in the team?

Viper: He won the bloody First T20I WC as captain / WC / Captain. That's enough for his place in the Team LOL

Moniker: Role of a lower middle order batsman is to score quickly. Here are the stats at positions 5, 6 and 7. Dhoni's stats don't look good.

Philcric: Dhoni possibly not in the top 100 of SRs. 10 out of top 20 bat at positions 5 or below.

Viper: Sammy has better strike rate than MSD , Hence Sammy is better cricketer than MSD. Your point proved

Viper: Not sure when Yuvi batted below MSD. Comparing one hit wonders like Oram.

Philcric: Nobody said Yuvi batted below MSD. Why is Oram a one hit wonder ?

Viper: <Shows video of Agarkar's fastest 50> Agarkar is the Best ODI bestmen ever alive 

 

 

 

[Mosher]

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Edited January 9, 2016 by Mosher

[philcric]

and then we got people here saying he always did Bat above 6 

 

This is what Vibhash posted ... "Dhoni has played most of the matches above #6"

He is technically right. Dhoni has batted 26 times at above #6, and 21 times at #6 or below.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=3;template=results;type=batting

 

[New guy]

A finisher with a strike rate of 116 

[adi B]

Sammy has better strike rate than MSD , Hence Sammy is better cricketer than MSD

Your point proved 

sammy is a better t20 player than dhoni and has more  utility.why you keep defending Dhoni in every thread? Accept the fact that he's a garbage t20 player,he was never good in this format