Singh bling Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 On 7/16/2016 at 10:46 AM, rkt.india said: ISI sponsored agitation. Hawala money sent by ISI is being paid for pelting stones and these agitation. We had similar type of agitation IN Kashmir in 2009 too, sponsored by ISI. http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/a-group-of-youth-behind-the-stone-throwing-in-kashmir-and-organised-by-pak-handlers-1-878124.html Please accept the fact that there is no way Kashmiri muslims will accept them as Indians. The only way India can control Kashmir is the way China did in Tibet. .Send non muslims from UP , Bihar to settle in kashmir valley in large numbers and change demography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, Singh bling said: Please accept the fact that there is no way Kashmiri muslims will accept them as Indians. The only way India can control Kashmir is the way China did in Tibet. .Send non muslims from UP , Bihar to settle in kashmir valley in large numbers and change demography shias prefer to be with india that with pak.. and time will heal the wound demography in the valley is already changed forcefully in the last few decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 shias prefer to be with india that with pak.. and time will heal the wound demography in the valley is already changed forcefully in the last few decades As a great believer in karma? the number of Kashmiri's killed is far greater than the number of pandits killed, you do take count of that in your demographic calculations right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, panther said: As a great believer in karma? the number of Kashmiri's killed is far greater than the number of pandits killed, you do take count of that in your demographic calculations right? i am sure you meant kashmiri muslims .. i dont have the data , but its obvious that more hindus killed by terrorists than other way round.. and anyway absolute majority of the terrorits are from across the border .. read about infiltration attempts by pakistani terrorits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 i am sure you meant kashmiri muslims .. i dont have the data , but its obvious that more hindus killed by terrorists than other way round.. and anyway absolute majority of the terrorits are from across the border .. read about infiltration attempts by pakistani terrorits 47,000 civilians according to your government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, panther said: 47,000 civilians according to your government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Kashmiri_Hindus i guess you took the figure from wiki ( and you want to put the highest estimate ).. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir anyway >21,000 militants killed[9] 3,000 captured[6] ≈4,500 surrendered[6 Edited July 18, 2016 by velu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Kashmiri_Hindus 400 v 47000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 minute ago, panther said: 400 v 47000 16,000 to 47,000 .. civilian casualties not necessarily everyone is muslim and there are plenty of civiialns killed by terrorists .. instead of sending terrorists to india , if your army had sent them to school probably pakistan might be in a better position now.. your president or ruler musharaff himself agreed that pakistan sponsored terrorism in india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 16,000 to 47,000 .. civilian casualties not necessarily everyone is muslim and there are plenty of civiialns killed by terrorists .. instead of sending terrorists to india , if your army had sent them to school probably pakistan might be in a better position now.. your president or ruler musharaff himself agreed that pakistan sponsored terrorism in india Your own link says 400 pandits were killed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Just now, panther said: Your own link says 400 pandits were killed sorry .. i am wrong and coming back to 47,000 .. our won link says 16,000 to 47,000 and no way it says they are killed by the army .. whatever be the figure it includes the muslims who were killed by your own terrorists too but you cant deny that virutually every hindu in the valley is thrown out of the valley by pakistan sponsored terrorits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) On 16/07/2016 at 9:47 AM, Asim said: .. ..Now even half of Million indian troops does not seems enough to control this region... their so-called control using force over Kashmir has started to back-fire... call it ISI, call it ISIS call it whatever but the fact is now Kashmiris themselves have decided to rise against india... Actually above is complete lie, There is no force used apart from that very small 1-2 year period during last century. Half million or million armymen! None of them are trying to use force to control. Its called protecting your own turf. And they are doing that only. And most Kashmiris are lazy bunch. In fact you can gather more Indians for stone pelting on Indian police in states like West Bengal, UP, Bihar at Rs 500 per person Hawala/Charity money than in Kashmir Edited July 18, 2016 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Our army is very sensitive to civilian agitation and they are maintaining extreme restrain. Agitators are throwing stones at jawan from 20 ft and they strictly follow the restrain. I am proud of these army men. Pak wont get Kashmir and Kashmiris can go wherever they want. The dispute is more than just a land for India and we cannot let go a strategic position. If it was some other land we could have probably given up who knows, Kashmir? no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 20 hours ago, panther said: 47,000 civilians according to your government. most of those are by terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detonator Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Looks like the stone pelters has thown hand grenades in between. I hope the Army weeds out every terrorist so that geelani himself can come out as a suicide bomber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debutant Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 The way Pakistani.s are supporting this terrorists, it clearly busts the myth that only a minority in pakistan are terrorists. Most of the people are ether terrorist themselves or are their sympathizers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) India already had a partition in 1947. Punjab was partitioned, so was Bengal, and even Kashmir was divided. Pak already has about 50% of Kashmir. So JK already had its partition long time back. From India's perspective, India needs to lift special recognition to J&K and allow influx of migrants. JK is getting too much of special status and is probably the only state where non-locals aren't allowed to buy property if I'm not mistaken. Just make the LOC as the official border and be done and dusted with the issue. This is the only way forward Edited July 19, 2016 by PBN Book_Worm and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book_Worm Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 9 hours ago, PBN said: India already had a partition in 1947. Punjab was partitioned, so was Bengal, and even Kashmir was divided. Pak already has about 50% of Kashmir. So JK already had its partition long time back. From India's perspective, India needs to lift special recognition to J&K and allow influx of migrants. JK is getting too much of special status and is probably the only state where non-locals aren't allowed to buy property if I'm not mistaken. Just make the LOC as the official border and be done and dusted with the issue. This is the only way forward So what is stopping the govt from lifting that article that prohibits non locals from buying property and settling there. I know congress govt created that article/ law to appease the kashmiris . But now anyone can see how much it has harmed us it has completely alienated the kashmiris from rest of india. I am sure even muslims in other areas won't object to this removal. So why aren't we doing it.?? Is BJP atleast thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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