Pakistan bowling in England and England Batting versus them,Overhyped?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Yasir is a class bowler and Amir is good.But rest of the bowling is avg.

 

Similarly England batting is only about Cook and Root.Rest is quite avg.

 

Massive overhype of the players from both sides.

 

 

[Vilander]

agree esp pak players. Very poor overall, its a contest of who is not good rather than who is good. 

[Adi_91]

It is a match of two highly overrated sides. Makes for some great viewing because of the quality of their sides at the moment.

[Bigg Brother]

It is overhyped by Pakistani fans because they are having orgasm playing overseas after so many years playing at UAE...

[MechEng]

Pak bowlers are not overhyped. They probably have the best bowling attack from Asia. We need to be patient with Amir, he has bowled well till now but hasn't bowled those freakish banana swing spells like he bowled in 2010.

 

England batting on the other hand has never been the same since KP , Bell and Prior left.

[deathmonger]

England batting may not be individually good but since it is such a long line-up it evens out.

 

Pakistani bowling is overrated. Yasir is good. Amir is good. Others are not that good.

[jusarrived]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

Pak bowlers are not overhyped. They probably have the best bowling attack from Asia. We need to be patient with Amir, he has bowled well till now but hasn't bowled those freakish banana swing spells like he bowled in 2010.

 

England batting on the other hand has never been the same since KP , Bell and Prior left.

 

Amir is lucky to be making a comeback in England , what he had shown in the past is that he can use the conditions well & I think if he does not do well here he wont last long ..He will struggle a lot on faltter pitches . 

 

Wahab is actually their best talent , but isnt consistent & its probabaly too late for him .

 

Rahat Ali is one bowler I would watch out for , is talented and skillfull . One bowler who can pick up wickets in flat pitches as well .

 

Yasir is very good , infact makes their bowling look good otherwise they have a overrated one dimensional pace attack 

 

 

[jusarrived]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

Pak bowlers are not overhyped. They probably have the best bowling attack from Asia. We need to be patient with Amir, he has bowled well till now but hasn't bowled those freakish banana swing spells like he bowled in 2010.

 

England batting on the other hand has never been the same since KP , Bell and Prior left.

The pitches havent assisted as much as it did in 2010 , like I said if they get few more flat pitches ..his career will end early 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

22 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

 

Amir is lucky to be making a comeback in England , what he had shown in the past is that he can use the conditions well & I think if he does not do well here he wont last long ..He will struggle a lot on faltter pitches . 

 

Wahab is actually their best talent , but isnt consistent & its probabaly too late for him .

 

Rahat Ali is one bowler I would watch out for , is talented and skillfull . One bowler who can pick up wickets in flat pitches as well .

 

Yasir is very good , infact makes their bowling look good otherwise they have a overrated one dimensional pace attack 

 

 

2010 was a season when the conditions were unusually favourable to the bowlers.He isnt getting those conditions again.

[Asim]

I like how the opinion of you guys kept changing 180 degree and is based on hardly one day's of play... sometimes even it changes session-by-session...

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 minute ago, Asim said:

I like how the opinion of you guys kept changing 180 degree and is based on hardly one day's of play... sometimes even it changes session-by-session...

People have been saying the same here for sometime.While YAsir is class and Amir is good rest of the bowling is very avg.

[Asim]

1 minute ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

People have been saying the same here for sometime.While YAsir is class and Amir is good rest of the bowling is very avg.

Amir was a rare-talent at start of last match... became Most "Overrated" bowler in The World in 2nd inng till 5 minutes prior final 2 wickets and became wonderful bowler to watch when match got finished...

[Asim]

and obv its not limited for Paksitani players, its even worse in case of indian players...
Ishant sharma taking couple of quick wickets right in start of spell would be someone around Waqar younis class and right in next session going wicket-less would become a horrible player to be included in playing 11...

[New guy]

1 minute ago, Asim said:

and obv its not limited for Paksitani players, its even worse in case of indian players...
Ishant sharma taking couple of quick wickets right in start of spell would be someone around Waqar younis class and right in next session going wicket-less would become a horrible player to be included in playing 11...

 

20 minutes ago, Asim said:

I like how the opinion of you guys kept changing 180 degree and is based on hardly one day's of play... sometimes even it changes session-by-session...

 

6 minutes ago, Asim said:

Amir was a rare-talent at start of last match... became Most "Overrated" bowler in The World in 2nd inng till 5 minutes prior final 2 wickets and became wonderful bowler to watch when match got finished...

I think these are different guys saying different things and not the same guys

[Asim]

^ Obv Im not talking about any particular poster, its just about 'overall impression' which gets dramatically change based on one match... one spell, one session... (and yes ofcourse there r diff opinions at the same time too)

[Malcolm Merlyn]

17 minutes ago, Asim said:

Amir was a rare-talent at start of last match... became Most "Overrated" bowler in The World in 2nd inng till 5 minutes prior final 2 wickets and became wonderful bowler to watch when match got finished...

You are mistaking the view point of your fellow Pakistanis with the rest of the forum here.Amir was touted as a Wasim Akram like talent by Pakistanis,thats what was the hype Pakistanis created about him.All based on that one series in Eng in very conducive conditions.He is a good bowler but not some once in a lifetime bowling talent that Pakistanis hype him to be.

 

Secondly out of the 4 bowlers that Pakistan has fielded only 2 are good,rest others very avg.So overall the bowling is overhyped.

[Adi_91]

The hype that Ben Stokes gave about Yasir is the 180 degree one. He called him the best after Shane Warne, I don't agree.

 

Yasir Shah is good, so is Amir. But, not like the best the world has ever seen. 

[MCcricket]

Pakistan's bowling is good not even great but batting is mediocre at best, even good bowling sides like Ambrose, Walsh n co were way Ahead let aside, marshal, Lillee, Waseem n their line ups

[Adi_91]

3 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Pakistan's bowling is good not even great but batting is mediocre at best, even good bowling sides like Ambrose, Walsh n co were way Ahead let aside, marshal, Lillee, Waseem n their line ups

If I see the bowling attacks of both sides, I would take Anderson and Broad over Rahat Ali and Amir any day in English conditions.

[express bowling]

12 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

You are mistaking the view point of your fellow Pakistanis with the rest of the forum here.Amir was touted as a Wasim Akram like talent by Pakistanis,thats what was the hype Pakistanis created about him.All based on that one series in Eng in very conducive conditions.He is a good bowler but not some once in a lifetime bowling talent that Pakistanis hype him to be.

 

Secondly out of the 4 bowlers that Pakistan has fielded only 2 are good,rest others very avg.So overall the bowling is overhyped.

To add to your point....Amir is primarily a swing bowler and has does well in swing-friendly conditions like England.  In his rather short test career, all his success has been while bowling in England and he has played 50% of his tests there.  For him to  be known as a top test bowler, he has to do well in other countries too.  Only time will tell if he succeeds in this aspect.

 

This is how he has fared in test matches in different countries so far.

                                                                                                                   Average

in Australia	2009-2010	2	4	94.0	22	323	8	5/79	5/180	40.37	3.43	70.5	1	0
in England	2010-2016	8	14	264.4	55	761	35	6/84	7/106	21.74	2.87	45.3	2	0
in New Zealand	2009-2009	3	6	95.0	22	306	7	2/29	4/116	43.71	3.22	81.4	0	0
in Sri Lanka	2009-2009	3	6	80.0	14	261	6	3/38	6/112	43.50	3.26	80.0	0	0

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

He has played very few tests and these stats do not mean much.  It is possible that he will do well in  other countries too but for that he has to improve his ability to get consistent seam movement and bounce.  Till the time he actually does so, he cannot be called a potential great.

 

p.s - I am just talking about his test bowling.  He is a far better ODI bowler as he bowls quicker in LOIs and  his natural length and accuracy is ideal for LOIs.

 

Edited July 23, 2016 by express bowling