England and its current list of allrounders. Is Woakes the best?

[Adi_91]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Dhoni was a keeper....specialist position.....You pick a player as a specialist first.

 

Yes Iyer deserves a go as he is a genuine batsman not bits and pieces

But patience and persistence with Dhoni paid off. Same thing with our young and emerging cricketers who are doing well in FC.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Adi_91 said:

But patience and persistence with Dhoni paid off. Same thing with our young and emerging cricketers who are doing well in FC.

Before picking a player known for allrounder skills...you have to think,is he good enough to play as a batsman alone or a bowler....Is Pandya a better batsman than Pandey/Rahul/Iyer/Nair/Raina/Yuvraj/Hooda etc etc all vying for the same 5 or 6 position depending on where Dhoni bats.

 

Is he good to give you 10 overs even if it is in the middle overs when teams are consolidating?

 

What if he is injured and can't bowl? Kallis/Watson/Anderson etc etc could play on their batting alone.

 

What if is batting is suddenly useless-Afridi/Russell(in LOI's) etc etc can make up with the ball.

 

What exactly is Pandya's skill here?

 

[Adi_91]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Before picking a player known for allrounder skills...you have to think,is he good enough to play as a batsman alone or a bowler....Is Pandya a better batsman than Pandey/Rahul/Iyer/Nair/Raina/Yuvraj/Hooda etc etc all vying for the same 5 or 6 position depending on where Dhoni bats.

 

Is he good to give you 10 overs even if it is in the middle overs when teams are consolidating?

 

What if he is injured and can't bowl? Kallis/Watson/Anderson etc etc could play on their batting alone.

 

What if is batting is suddenly useless-Afridi/Russell(in LOI's) etc etc can make up with the ball.

 

What exactly is Pandya's skill here?

 

Well, he is touted as an all rounder, so should be batting and bowling according to me.

 

From what I have seen of him, he is a big hitter. So, it has to be his batting that is the main skill. And regarding evaluating his skills, why not wait for at least 6 months before passing a judgement of his ability?

[MCcricket]

H Pandya has many things going for him, he is supremely fit with a lithe body, a trier, bowls at good pace n will learn a few tricks as he plays mode but is a quick learner. He is a naturally gifted batter too n his hand eye coordination ordination n bat speed is very good, this guy under a good captain n sporting body say like Australia or England could be a proper all rounder in test as well.

Binny n other options R not even worthy of playing for a domestic side as all rounders, only other all rounder we have is Ashwin, if Bhuvi is smart he batter take his batting seriously because as a bowler alone he can never be a regular

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, maniac said:

 

Tell me one innings of Pandya where he has impressed? even if it is an IPL innings I will take it say when his team is at 50/6 or 60/6 kind of a situation.

 

 

 

Probably, you forgot IPL 2015. He played quite a few such innings and he was the biggest reason MI could win the IPL. That IPL brought him into limelight. They were about to be kicked out before he was included in their XI and he changed their fortunes. He was the highest run getter in Sayed Mushtaq Ali trophy, batted mostly at 3-4 for Baroda. He lost his form this IPL which can happen to anyone. T20 is the toughest format for any out of form player. It can make a mockery out of you. Also, we cannot compare, Stokes and Woakes to Pandya. Those two are domestic veterans having played 90 plus FC matches. Pandya has barely played 10 odd matches yet. He has the potential but needs to gain more FC experience.

 

this was that inning.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2015/engine/match/829805.html

Edited July 26, 2016 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

13 hours ago, tweaker said:

We are also blessed with Binny & Dhawan,one is bowling all-rounder& other batting all-rounder

Add  Joginder Sharma and Abhishek  Nayar .....opposition teams will refuse to play with us.    

[CoverDrive]

And both of these all rounders are genuine pace bowlers. They were bowling quicker than Broad and anderson. 

 

Right now all rounders are the biggest reason for England's good form in Tests

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, CoverDrive said:

And both of these all rounders are genuine pace bowlers. They were bowling quicker than Broad and anderson. 

 

Right now all rounders are the biggest reason for England's good form in Tests

all started by one man named Duncan Fletcher.

[mishra]

2 hours ago, CoverDrive said:

And both of these all rounders are genuine pace bowlers. They were bowling quicker than Broad and anderson. 

 

Right now all rounders are the biggest reason for England's good form in Tests

^ On top if You throw in Bairstow Butler and Billings and as potential wicket-keeper bastman/all-rounder. Any team in world will be happy to have one of them as wicketkeeper.

Together they add 3 solid batsman playing 11 who you can choose to fit into tests,odi and t20 squad.

What we got is Dhoni (Offcourse a legend but nearing retiring age) for limited overs and then Saha,Ojha Rahul who arent giving chance.

 

Saddening bit is no other country apart from England is producing a genuine Bowling/batting all rounder since Kallis era.

It will be very interesting how the three perform In India

 

 

[Lala]

Woakes is an ordinary bowler where he struggles in subcontinent conditions. I rate Jordan over him a good death overs bowler.

Edited July 26, 2016 by Lala

[Temujin Khaghan]

stokes batting is super... but..

woakes is the better player to have in the team in case of a toss up b/w the two wrt winning capability and also attitude.

[maniac]

2 hours ago, Lala said:

Woakes is an ordinary bowler where he struggles in subcontinent conditions. I rate Jordan over him a good death overs bowler.

You sure you want to stick to that.....Averages 11 with a S/R of 25 currently against Pak

 

[mishra]

18 hours ago, Lala said:

Woakes is an ordinary bowler where he struggles in subcontinent conditions. I rate Jordan over him a good death overs bowler.

Understandable, Like Ali, Jordan is in same leagues will provide great duel between bat and ball against Pakistani EXTRA ordinary batsmen

[gakgupta]

Before picking a player known for allrounder skills...you have to think,is he good enough to play as a batsman alone or a bowler....Is Pandya a better batsman than Pandey/Rahul/Iyer/Nair/Raina/Yuvraj/Hooda etc etc all vying for the same 5 or 6 position depending on where Dhoni bats.

 

Is he good to give you 10 overs even if it is in the middle overs when teams are consolidating?

 

What if he is injured and can't bowl? Kallis/Watson/Anderson etc etc could play on their batting alone.

 

What if is batting is suddenly useless-Afridi/Russell(in LOI's) etc etc can make up with the ball.

 

What exactly is Pandya's skill here?

 

Well.....can u name few all-rounder who were ready when they started their career??

I rate Flintoff really high and he was piss poor when he started playing for England.....

Same thing applies for Ben Stokes....

Sometimes , all-rounder are not ready-made......so we should try to make them.....this experiment might fail but we should invest and assume it might work.....

Pandya has the zeal and he is willing to learn.....he is a good fielder ....we have seen him playing relatively long innings in ranjis and can hit 140 speeds....he has all ingredients to invest

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