Full strength India ODI squad right now

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Dhawan

Rohit

Kohli

Rahul

Pandey

Dhoni

Pandya

Jaddu

Ashwin

Shami

Bumrah

This will pretty much be the team of 2017CT, Only if we could find a batsman who could tonk , grind, field well and bowl a few over. Then rahul can be pushed up to open. This will lend a lot of balance to this side. 

 

Options - 

Raina- His batting . Can bowl few smart over and also an outstanding fielder. 

Yuvi - not even a shadow of his past. But being the package he is he ll always loom around with everyone hoping that he finds the Past of himself. But if in form he is the most ideal person for the job. 

Hooda- Only miracle perfomances can get him selected. He has been doing well in domestic but his non-selection on A-tours suggest he is not even on radar. 

Krunal- his selections looks a distant dream. Also cant be sure of his batting skills against quality bowling so soon

Yusuf-  poor fielder. Has been dropping a lot of catches in ipl. 

 

OR else Kohli , rohit should start rolling their arms in net.

Dhoni did mention in Post match last game he needs the 6th bowler also somewere as anyone bowler could have a bad and then we are struggling. He also said with kohli's awkward action u cant make him bowl more than 2-3 overs. 

[rkt.india]

37 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

This will pretty much be the team of 2017CT, Only if we could find a batsman who could tonk , grind, field well and bowl a few over. Then rahul can be pushed up to open. This will lend a lot of balance to this side. 

 

Options - 

Raina- His batting . Can bowl few smart over and also an outstanding fielder. 

Yuvi - not even a shadow of his past. But being the package he is he ll always loom around with everyone hoping that he finds the Past of himself. But if in form he is the most ideal person for the job. 

Hooda- Only miracle perfomances can get him selected. He has been doing well in domestic but his non-selection on A-tours suggest he is not even on radar. 

Krunal- his selections looks a distant dream. Also cant be sure of his batting skills against quality bowling so soon

Yusuf-  poor fielder. Has been dropping a lot of catches in ipl. 

 

OR else Kohli , rohit should start rolling their arms in net.

Dhoni did mention in Post match last game he needs the 6th bowler also somewere as anyone bowler could have a bad and then we are struggling. He also said with kohli's awkward action u cant make him bowl more than 2-3 overs. 

Mainsh Pandey is a decent enough seam up bowler and Dhoni needs to try him. I have seen him and he is the best among these batsmen.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Mainsh Pandey is a decent enough seam up bowler and Dhoni needs to try him. I have seen him and he is the best among these batsmen.

Bowling averages

	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10
ODIs	8	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
T20Is	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
First-class	77	34	571	244	5	2/45	2/45	48.80	2.56	114.2	0	0	0
List A	99	19	422	376	8	3/25	3/25	47.00	5.34	52.7	0	0	0
Twenty20	141	10	168	212	10	4/27	4/27	21.20	7.57	16.8	2	0	0

 

 

His bowling record doesnt suggest so, everyone can bowl something, the point how much control they have . Control can only come by bowling a lot of overs. Even dhoni can bowl and we have seen him in Int cricket, he also bowls a lot in Nets but again what about match practice. I remember last Last yr before SL tour Rohit claiming to be trying to be a seaming all rounder but again how much do they practice and how much control do they have. Falling back on such bowler for a bowler who has been having an off day makes no Diff. Atleast thats were Raina, Yuvi, Pathan gives u control and could give u a lot of overs but they have other issues. Thats were Maxwell, duminy come in really valueable for their teams and if we could find that sought of package that will give a brilliant balance to this squad. 

 

Pandey, Rohit, Kohli all have few months to practice their bowling so they can give 2-5 overs when needed, with Rahul in side even dhoni can try that once in a while.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

thread title says right now

Even now.Given his form he'll walk into the team when fit.

 

 

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

Even now.Given his form he'll walk into the team when fit.

 

 

Not really. On these pitches, most of the times, he will go for runs too like last series he played against SA.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Not really. On these pitches, most of the times, he will go for runs too like last series he played against SA.

He's much improved from that.Faster.Swing is back and bowled good yorkers in IPL

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

He's much improved from that.Faster.Swing is back and bowled good yorkers in IPL

People were saying exactly the same in that series too. Check those threads. He was bowling same pace then and what he is bowling now. Another thing is there is no place. Shami our best ODI bowler, Bumrah death specialist. Pandya big hitting pace alrounder. Jaddu and Ashwin. You cannot fit him unless you play 4 seamers or one batsman less or any of these 3 seamers bowl real bad.

Edited October 18, 2016 by rkt.india

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

People were saying exactly the same in that series too. Check those threads. He was bowling same pace then and what he is bowling now. Another thing is there is no place. Shami our best ODI bowler, Bumrah death specialist. Pandya big hitting pace alrounder. Jaddu and Ashwin. You cannot fit him unless you play 4 seamers or one batsman less or any of these 3 seamers bowl real bad.

Bumrah and Pandya arent good with new ball.Bumrah is pretty bad fielder too

 

Bhuvi's main issue was death bowling,but I think he has improved on that.

 

Pandya can be rotated with Ashwin in ODIs and Jaddu in T20s based on pitches

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

Bumrah and Pandya arent good with new ball.Bumrah is pretty bad fielder too

 

Bhuvi's main issue was death bowling,but I think he has improved on that.

 

Pandya can be rotated with Ashwin in ODIs and Jaddu in T20s based on pitches

Pandya cannot be rotated with Ashwin and Jaddu because he is one big hitting alrounder we need. They are not that. Regarding BK's death bowling, there is no proof yet. He always did well in IPL at death even in 2014. also, BK's fielding is not of very high standard too. Pandya is good with the new ball. you saw last game. If there is a bit of help, he will thrive as does BK and on flat pitches, BK too have not done anything great with the new ball that is why he has such a bad ODI record. 

[express bowling]

44 minutes ago, Lord said:

Bumrah and Pandya arent good with new ball.Bumrah is pretty bad fielder too

 

Bhuvi's main issue was death bowling,but I think he has improved on that.

 

Pandya can be rotated with Ashwin in ODIs and Jaddu in T20s based on pitches

 

Why would we think of  dropping an all-rounder / power-hitter  for a bowler in an ODI  ?

 

Also, in the last match, Pandya bowled excellently with the new ball.   

Edited October 18, 2016 by express bowling

[maniac]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Pandya cannot be rotated with Ashwin and Jaddu because he is one big hitting alrounder we need. They are not that. Regarding BK's death bowling, there is no proof yet. He always did well in IPL at death even in 2014. also, BK's fielding is not of very high standard too. Pandya is good with the new ball. you saw last game. If there is a bit of help, he will thrive as does BK and on flat pitches, BK too have not done anything great with the new ball that is why he has such a bad ODI record. 

Not comparing with Pandya but on a green pitch...Bhuvi will run through sides and definitely has a very good batting technique too to survive if there is a collapse on a green pitch...Fielding yes I agree.

 

Even in Indian conditions when the ball always does something in the 1st few overs a Bhuvi in prime form will always give you a shot of picking early wickets.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

Bumrah and Pandya arent good with new ball.Bumrah is pretty bad fielder too

Bhuvi's main issue was death bowling,but I think he has improved on that.

Pandya can be rotated with Ashwin in ODIs and Jaddu in T20s based on pitches

Pandya cannot be rotated with ashwin n jadeja, those are two diff roles . Pandya's biggest asset to this team is his hitting which none of ashwin n jadeja can do. Ashwin n jadeja will now move below 7 and their spots wud b in debate with other bowlers.

 

51 minutes ago, maniac said:

Not comparing with Pandya but on a green pitch...Bhuvi will run through sides and definitely has a very good batting technique too to survive if there is a collapse on a green pitch...Fielding yes I agree.

Even in Indian conditions when the ball always does something in the 1st few overs a Bhuvi in prime form will always give you a shot of picking early wickets.

Again Comparison of Bhuvi n Pandya makes no sense. Bhuvi is a bowler who can bat a bit and his batting comes more handy in test. PAndya is geniune all rounder who can bowl and tonk the ball. Also he is an outstanding fielder

As far as bhuvi with new ball well he himself have been terrible for past 2 yrs with new ball in Odi that has hampered the team. Bhuvi record isnt gr8 either. 

Would u compare Watson n stokes to anderson or starc, no coz their roles are extremely diff. Pandya will no doubt in top 7 and bhuvi will never get that chance. 

Pandaya would get new ball only when conditions are spinner friendly that to just to accomodate a spinner extra.

In odi, ull hardly find green pitches. 

 

In Indian condition, may be bhuvi might get a 1-2 wkt when wkt does something but it will always be spinner who ll take the cake so to accomodate extra spinner Pandya is helpful. 

 

Now coming to test, Pandya in subcontinet for Xample if i want to kuldeep as well for aussie series as aussies are finding it hard to play chinamen, Pandaya gives me an option to play him at 6 and add kuldeep- which could be like Shami, ashwin, jadeja, kuldeep and pandaya.

 

In overseas, We need a 5th bowler in overseas and the main purpose of that 5th bowler is to give rest to main bowlers and keep the grip on game, So pandya can come in an bowl those overs and can take wkts as well. His length and pace is also ideal for Bouncy pitches . His batting will also improve with time and he would give those handy runs as well. 

 

Hardik shouldnt be compared to any bowler, coz he ll play as an all rounder and never as a bowler. 

Edited October 18, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[Lord]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Why would we think of  dropping an all-rounder / power-hitter  for a bowler in an ODI  ?

 

Also, in the last match, Pandya bowled excellently with the new ball.   

Pandya hasnt batted much at international level yet.Hows he more of an allrounder than Jadeja?At domestic level  Jadeja's number are equal if not better.Ashwin maybe but then hes accomplished at Test level.Only big hitting is needed.At no.8 you would either need max 2-3 overs of hitting or rearguard job both wchich Ashwin can do.

 

Do you really think Pandya can be a new ball bowler based on one game in helpful conditions.He has pace but no skill or control to speak of

 

Infact hes still got to prove that hes an allrounder rather than a bits and pieces.If bowling is his stronger suit there's a long way to go

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Pandya hasnt batted much at international level yet.Hows he more of an allrounder than Jadeja?At domestic level  Jadeja's number are equal if not better.Ashwin maybe but then hes accomplished at Test level.Only big hitting is needed.At no.8 you would either need max 2-3 overs of hitting or rearguard job both wchich Ashwin can do.

 

Do you really think Pandya can be a new ball bowler based on one game in helpful conditions.He has pace but no skill or control to speak of

 

Infact hes still got to prove that hes an allrounder rather than a bits and pieces.If bowling is his stronger suit there's a long way to go

 

We are trying to find a power-hitter allrounder at No. 7 or No.6  for ODIs and T20s.....who can play at a  high SR.   Hardik's inclusion in the team is an  attempt to  find such a player.  He has to be given a proper run to see whether he fits the role.  

 

We are talking about No.7  or No.6  here, not No.8.

 

T20I  is the only format that the 3 have batted in.   In T20Is..... Hardik has a SR of  139, Ashwin  has a SR  of 103  and  jadeja  has a SR  of 88.  This is the type of high SR that the team is looking for....whether that target will be realized by using Hardik, only time will tell,....but Jadeja and Ashwin have had rather poor SRs in LOIs.  They are not being thought of as No.7 power hitters by the team management.

 

Let us give time to him to see how he fares with the new ball  before writing him off.  He has been bowling very accurately right from  the A tour to Australia. He is not the same bowler that he was during World T20.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2016 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Pandya hasnt batted much at international level yet.Hows he more of an allrounder than Jadeja?At domestic level  Jadeja's number are equal if not better.Ashwin maybe but then hes accomplished at Test level.Only big hitting is needed.At no.8 you would either need max 2-3 overs of hitting or rearguard job both wchich Ashwin can do.

 

Do you really think Pandya can be a new ball bowler based on one game in helpful conditions.He has pace but no skill or control to speak of

 

Infact hes still got to prove that hes an allrounder rather than a bits and pieces.If bowling is his stronger suit there's a long way to go

 

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We are trying to find a power-hitter allrounder at No. 7 or No.6  for ODIs and T20s.....who can play at a  high SR.   Hardik's inclusion in the team is an  attempt to  find such a player.  He has to be given a proper run to see whether he fits the role.  

 

We are talking about No.7  or No.6  here, not No.8.

 

T20I  is the only format that the 3 have batted in.   In T20Is..... Hardik has a SR of  139, Ashwin  has a SR  of 103  and  jadeja  has a SR  of 88.  This is the type of high SR that the team is looking for....whether that target will be realized by using Hardik, only time will tell,....but Jadeja and Ashwin have had rather poor SRs in LOIs.  They are not being thought of as No.7 power hitters by the team management.

 

Let us give time to him to see how he fares with the new ball  before writing him off.  He has been bowling very accurately right from  the A tour to Australia. He is not the same bowler that he was during World T20.

Also ill add he also gives us a 3rd or 4th seamer in overseas condition with pace of 140k around + bounce which is a huge bonus. Earlier we had someone like yusuf pathan who wasnt xactly an all rounder in overseas condition. He is also a huge asset on field in deep . 

 

IF not him it was binny n rishi about whom every one has cried here. Other upcoming player who play at high S/r like Samson, sarfraz n alll doesnt give u a 140k bowler option. 

[rkt.india]

12 hours ago, maniac said:

Not comparing with Pandya but on a green pitch...Bhuvi will run through sides and definitely has a very good batting technique too to survive if there is a collapse on a green pitch...Fielding yes I agree.

 

Even in Indian conditions when the ball always does something in the 1st few overs a Bhuvi in prime form will always give you a shot of picking early wickets.

Will you try to check his ODI record? It's been very ordinary, with the new ball too. Yes, green pitch, he can do well, so can Shami, bumrah, pandya, yadav. But we barely get green pitches in ODIs. Even then you can play horses for courses. Play him on a green pitch. I remember last SA tour, first ODI pitch was green and we played Mohit and BK and conceded 360. 

9 hours ago, Lord said:

Pandya hasnt batted much at international level yet.Hows he more of an allrounder than Jadeja?At domestic level  Jadeja's number are equal if not better.Ashwin maybe but then hes accomplished at Test level.Only big hitting is needed.At no.8 you would either need max 2-3 overs of hitting or rearguard job both wchich Ashwin can do.

 

Do you really think Pandya can be a new ball bowler based on one game in helpful conditions.He has pace but no skill or control to speak of

 

Infact hes still got to prove that hes an allrounder rather than a bits and pieces.If bowling is his stronger suit there's a long way to go

And what has Bhuvi done on non-green pitches?

Edited October 19, 2016 by rkt.india

[Lord]

19 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

We are trying to find a power-hitter allrounder at No. 7 or No.6  for ODIs and T20s.....who can play at a  high SR.   Hardik's inclusion in the team is an  attempt to  find such a player.  He has to be given a proper run to see whether he fits the role.  

 

We are talking about No.7  or No.6  here, not No.8.

 

T20I  is the only format that the 3 have batted in.   In T20Is..... Hardik has a SR of  139, Ashwin  has a SR  of 103  and  jadeja  has a SR  of 88.  This is the type of high SR that the team is looking for....whether that target will be realized by using Hardik, only time will tell,....but Jadeja and Ashwin have had rather poor SRs in LOIs.  They are not being thought of as No.7 power hitters by the team management.

 

Let us give time to him to see how he fares with the new ball  before writing him off.  He has been bowling very accurately right from  the A tour to Australia. He is not the same bowler that he was during World T20.

 

 

 

Yes he can do well but can't be certain about him just yet.

 

At no. 6 we would need a proper batsman who can attack,in the mould of Raina.Pandya looks more in the Yusuf Pathan mould

Two of Pandya,Jaddu and Ashwin should be playing,in which case Ashwin will be at 8.

 

Sample set is too small in T20I to compare them.

 

He bowls too short for a new ball bowler imo.Got away with it in Dharamsala but most times would be punished

 

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Will you try to check his ODI record? It's been very ordinary, with the new ball too. Yes, green pitch, he can do well, so can Shami, bumrah, pandya, yadav. But we barely get green pitches in ODIs. Even then you can play horses for courses. Play him on a green pitch. I remember last SA tour, first ODI pitch was green and we played Mohit and BK and conceded 360. 

And what has Bhuvi done on non-green pitches?

Bhuvi has done very well in England in both ICC CT and Tests.Thats where the next CT and WC are.

 

Sure hes lost form last year but seems to have got it back recently.Surely deserves a go coz if in form he can both take wickets and be economical

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Yes he can do well but can't be certain about him just yet.

 

At no. 6 we would need a proper batsman who can attack,in the mould of Raina.Pandya looks more in the Yusuf Pathan mould

Two of Pandya,Jaddu and Ashwin should be playing,in which case Ashwin will be at 8.

 

Sample set is too small in T20I to compare them.

 

He bowls too short for a new ball bowler imo.Got away with it in Dharamsala but most times would be punished

 

As much as Yusuf was a slogger/hack....he still played in his team as a proper batsman who can bowl spin....Yusuf did do very well as a pure batsman in domestics and his hitting ability put him in fron of others.

 

Now Pandya may have the odd Mushtaq Ali Trophy where he performed that's about it...but nothing tells me that Pandya is a perfect batsman...if he is a proper batsman and if he can bowl those 140K's even without any skill he would be a superb asset...on the other hand even if he is a 130K bowler with amazing skill but can come low down the order and slog a few,that would make him invaluable.

 

I am still confused as to what his role is.

 

Had similar apprehensions for Jadeja too but he turned out to be one of our premier spinners...so his batting failures can be overlooked and his batting performances can be taken as a bonus.

 

Pandya at 6 will be ok if we think that our top 5 will score heavily every single time and then Pandya will be given license to whack in the last 3-4 overs...unfortunately doesn't work that way.

 

As I have said a hundred times...Pandya needs to establish himself in one field then the other skill set can be a bonus...that is the way it should work for every all rounder out there.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Yes he can do well but can't be certain about him just yet.

 

At no. 6 we would need a proper batsman who can attack,in the mould of Raina.Pandya looks more in the Yusuf Pathan mould

Two of Pandya,Jaddu and Ashwin should be playing,in which case Ashwin will be at 8.

 

Sample set is too small in T20I to compare them.

 

He bowls too short for a new ball bowler imo.Got away with it in Dharamsala but most times would be punished

 

 

As  of now, he is playing at No. 7...which is ideal for a batsman of his type as of today.  It is the slot for a  slogger + fifth bowler.

 

It is true that the sample size is small....but he is being slotted as a high SR slogger based on his ability.  Whether that  potential will be realized or not, only time will tell.  We badly need a couple of high SR batters at 6 and 7....modern ODIs demand a SR of 105 or more.

 

I think we will see all 3 play together in important matches ....from No. 7 onward.... Pandya, Jaddu, Ashwin, Shami,   Bumrah / Bhuvi.

 

You are right....he used to bowl short....but from the A tour to Australia we are seeing him bowling good length most of the time.

Edited October 19, 2016 by express bowling

[vipin]

1 - Rohit / Rahane

2 - Dhawan / Rahane

3 - Kohli / Rahane

4 - Rahul / Rahane

5 - Dhoni / Pant

6 & 7: 2 of Pandey/Raina/Jadhav/Pandya/Deepak Hooda/Yuvraj depending on form & conditions

8 - Jadeja / Axar

9 - Mishra / Ashwin

10 - Bumrah /Umesh

11 - Shami / Umesh

Edited October 29, 2016 by vipin