So how long is the rope for Saha?

[Khota]

3 minutes ago, CG said:

What did other batters do?

On these kinds of pitches it's not easy.Even so called dekock looks like fish out of water.

What is wrong in giving Parthiv a chance to mix it up?

Edited January 16, 2018 by Khota

[CG]

I agree but what is wrong in giving Parthiv a chance to mix it up?

Parthiv Just can't keep Has history of dropping sitters .Even Kl Rahul would have been a better bet.

[Khota]

5 hours ago, New guy said:

Did you forget Vijay scored 46 runs in this innings and did not drop any catches?

On a easy wkt. Good job.

[Khota]

1 minute ago, CG said:

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

I agree but what is wrong in giving Parthiv a chance to mix it up?

Parthiv Just can't keep Has history of dropping sitters .Even Kl Rahul would have been a better bet.

No he would not. rahuls job is to score runs and currently it looks like a terrible decision to drop Dhawan.

[Muloghonto]

15 hours ago, Khota said:

What is wrong in giving Parthiv a chance to mix it up?

A keeper who routinely drops 2-4 chances per test has no place even being the backup of a backup for a mediocre bowling attack. That's whats wrong with it.

 

[Khota]

9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

A keeper who routinely drops 2-4 chances per test has no place even being the backup of a backup for a mediocre bowling attack. That's whats wrong with it.

 

He wouldhave dropped catches.

He might have dropped catches.

Would have could have should have.

 

None of us knows here if Saha would have taken those catches.

 

Saha would have taken those catches. Hypothetical.

 

Parthiv scored more runs. fact.

[New guy]

39 minutes ago, Khota said:

On a easy wkt. Good job.

On which Parthiv scored 19 and dropped 4 catches

[New guy]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

 

 

Parthiv scored more runs. fact.

Lol, two posts ago you said Vijay scored those 46 runs because it was an easy pitch

[Khota]

1 minute ago, New guy said:

Lol, two posts ago you said Vijay scored those 46 runs because it was an easy pitch

Vijay is being compared with Dhawan.

 

Parthiv with Saha.

 

Apples and Oranges.

[Muloghonto]

15 hours ago, Khota said:

He wouldhave dropped catches.

He might have dropped catches.

Would have could have should have.

 

None of us knows here if Saha would have taken those catches.

 

Saha would have taken those catches. Hypothetical.

 

Parthiv scored more runs. fact.

Saha is a way better catcher than Parthiv. Also a fact.

Saha did not play on THIS pitch, so whether Saha would score more/less than Dropthiv is also a hypothetical, not a fact.

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Saha is a way better catcher than Parthiv. Also a fact.

Saha did not play on THIS pitch, so whether Saha would score more/less than Dropthiv is also a hypothetical, not a fact.

Saha is a better catcher is an opinion. Not a fact.

 

 

[The Dark Horse]

Wow, we have Parthiv backers even after what we saw in the test. Way to go.

[Khota]

Here are some facts, harsh but still facts:

 

Player     Matches Played     Catch/Match         Stumps/match

 

A                  23                        2.26                  0.43

B                  32                        2.34                  0.31

 

 

Who is the better player?

 

Ans

(a) Player A

(b) Player B

(c) About the same

(d) Our agenda player

 

So far the mob has picked answer (d).

 

No objectivity. None whatsoever.

 

[Muloghonto]

15 hours ago, Khota said:

Saha is a better catcher is an opinion. Not a fact.

 

 

Sure is a fact, given that we can actually track the # of drops per match. For eg, Saha has dropped as many in the whole of 2017 as Parthiv has dropped/failed to attempt in this match alone.

 

[Muloghonto]

15 hours ago, Khota said:

Here are some facts, harsh but still facts:

 

Player     Matches Played     Catch/Match         Stumps/match

 

A                  23                        2.26                  0.43

B                  32                        2.34                  0.31

 

 

Who is the better player?

 

Ans

(a) Player A

(b) Player B

(c) About the same

(d) Our agenda player

 

So far the mob has picked answer (d).

 

No objectivity. None whatsoever.

 

This is simple twisting of data from you, nothing more. Wicketkeepers are not rated on catches per match, because its bowlers who generate chances. This is why Gillchrist had way more catches/match than Healy, despite Healy being a way better keeper- because Gillchrist played way longer with McGrath, a 4th stump bowler who generates way more catches.

by the same token, bowlers like McGrath, Philander, Ambrose will generate way more catches for their keepers than bowlers like Akram, Bond or Waqar.

 

[Khota]

34 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

This is simple twisting of data from you, nothing more. Wicketkeepers are not rated on catches per match, because its bowlers who generate chances. This is why Gillchrist had way more catches/match than Healy, despite Healy being a way better keeper- because Gillchrist played way longer with McGrath, a 4th stump bowler who generates way more catches.

by the same token, bowlers like McGrath, Philander, Ambrose will generate way more catches for their keepers than bowlers like Akram, Bond or Waqar.

 

This is a simple denial by you. Higher drops per match would lead to fewer catches but facts dont support that. 

You can do better than that.

[Khota]

38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure is a fact, given that we can actually track the # of drops per match. For eg, Saha has dropped as many in the whole of 2017 as Parthiv has dropped/failed to attempt in this match alone.

 

Events that do not take place cannot be reported. Missed catch is as subjective as glass half full or half empty.

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Whatever happened to Naman ojha? I would take him over pp. 

yes, really forgot about him. He should have been here and not PP.

[philcric]

Aakash Chopra and Daryll Cullinan discuss Parthiv Patel's wicketkeeping and the chances he has missed in the second Test.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/1133038.html

 

[Straight Drive]

8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Jeff Dujon and Deryck Murray were in the Saha mould, weren't they part of that ATG WI side? Gilchrist is a recent phenomenon, as is Andy Flower. Sanga the keeper was underwhelming with the bat. Boucher again played close to 150 tests and was more or less like Saha. Before Gilly the template was to have a safe keeper rather than a good batsman who could keep, were none of those teams good? Why should we follow the Aussie template, let us create our own template and build a team accordingly. We have so many other things to worry about if we want to become a dominant team, Saha is not a problem that deserves all the scrutiny. In fact because of our weak catching we desperately need a great keeper to minimize the damage. 

 

If we have a good fast bowling A/R in Pandya at no 6, 2 out of Jaddu/Bhuvi/Ash at no 7 and 8 with Saha as no 9 isn't that good enough to become a dominant team? This way we have a long and dangerous tail with the GOAT keeper who makes 1 mistake in 8 innings, what more do you want? Let us build a team based on our strengths/weaknesses rather than trying to imitate the ATG teams of yesteryear. Our present problems are our top 5, team selection and slip catching...Saha should not be a a punching bag just because he is the quiet kid. 

Jeff Dujon was undoubtedly one of the best pace bowler of modern era. Arguably greatest wicket keeper of all time. Alan Knott, some may argue.  Started as specialist batsman in fact on basis of his knocks in domestic cricket. But then when Murray was dropped as keeper, Jeff Dujon got the gloves. Jeff kept against Marshall, Holding, Garner, Roberts to begin with and also  Patterson, Benjamin and Bishop towards the end of his carreer. I think the only spinners WI had were Carl Hooper, Roger Harper and Klyde Butts. Keith Athurthon bowled part time spin. Having kept against pacers mostly he became very good at it. However, keeping during those times were purely wicket keeping duties. Runs were treated as a bonus. Keepers were not selected because they could bat. Still Jeff Dujo inspite of being one of the greatest wicket kepeer , played some good knocks batting just before the specialist bowlers. Considering the pace bowlers of that era and lack of protective gear and some uncovered wickets, he did good enough as a batsman as well.