Vilander Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: It doesn't work that way. When someone occupies a property illegally and then hires a contractor to develop it, the city goes after the illegal occupant, not the contractor. The contractor assumes the risk of being stopped/barred from recouperating costs of developing an illegal property. However the case is against the illegal occupant. Thats pretty rudimentary principle of natural justice, much above common pakistani grasp. chewy and Muloghonto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narenpande1 Posted December 24, 2016 Author Share Posted December 24, 2016 Pak being treated like a true dustbin and dumpyard. Like a true slave country. Pak media crying about it now. Iconoclast and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 11 hours ago, Finer said: Your money are being spent to support the economy of China. You guys are losing your own economy. When you guys buy Chinese goods, your local industry suffers since your local industry is the cornerstone of your economy. Literally, India money is being spent for the support of economy elsewhere but its own. You cannot claim to be rich when your economy is taking beating by China on huge margin. It is economic 101. I think this needs to be banned its pakistani intelectual master piece for Indian intellect its plain lkg level troling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 17 hours ago, Finer said: You cannot claim to be rich when your economy is taking beating by China on huge margin. It is economic 101. This is more accurately Economics -101, as in anyone who reads that loses brain cells and understands economics less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 8 hours ago, Tibarn said: This is more accurately Economics -101, as in anyone who reads that loses brain cells and understands economics less. He probably reads too much Global Times propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 On 12/24/2016 at 5:02 AM, Finer said: I am not going to post evidence since you guys are regular members of Pakistan defense forum and google is your best friend. That being said since i am already assumed as liar, then why expect evidence from the liar since you guys are not gonna believe me anyways. this has to be post of the week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 @finer and other pakistanis I think you need to look at the interest your paying on these deals. Look at say the bullet train being a'bad and mumbai. Will cost 20 billion USD but Japan has given us an incredibly soft loan of 0.1% to be paid over a 30-40 years horizon I compare that to the CPEC deals and the interest rates are high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 With us interest rates rising and pile of debt China is sitting on ,China will be facing major problems in next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Is China and Pakistan worries about loans going bad ? They are now asking India to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I doubt it. Its just propaganda. Look a lot depends on china to be honest. Pakistan has a high probability of defaulting on these loans cause they just dont have the tax base. Now if Pakistan expands it's tax base then there is a good chance that they can afford of loans. 1% of Indians pay direct taxes. 0.2% pakistanis pay direct taxes. So both countries to be fair cannot borrow at the rates which China is lending Sent from my Wileyfox Swift using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 16 hours ago, gattaca said: Is China and Pakistan worries about loans going bad ? They are now asking India to join. I think we want everyone in the region to join CPEC not just India..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, KeyboardWarrior said: I think we want everyone in the region to join CPEC not just India..... Lol. Pakistan and progressive thinking are quite opposite polar ends. If you really would have you would have asked India longtime ago and we wouldn't have cross border terrorism. Edited December 25, 2016 by gattaca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, G_B_ said: I doubt it. Its just propaganda. Look a lot depends on china to be honest. Pakistan has a high probability of defaulting on these loans cause they just dont have the tax base. Now if Pakistan expands it's tax base then there is a good chance that they can afford of loans. 1% of Indians pay direct taxes. 0.2% pakistanis pay direct taxes. So both countries to be fair cannot borrow at the rates which China is lending Sent from my Wileyfox Swift using Tapatalk Has Pakistan ever paid back its foreign loans? I've heard most of their money goes into debt financing. China is using Pakistan's desperation for its own gain. Edited December 25, 2016 by jalebi_bhai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 56 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said: Has Pakistan ever paid back its foreign loans? I've heard most of their money goes into debt financing. China is using Pakistan's desperation for its own gain. IMF ones yes.... Remittances....textile exports and agri exports....its what drives the pakistan economy atm. While they are a receiptant of 3-4 billion in direct and indirect aid, they are really not that dependent on aid as many Indian commentators make them out to be. The problem for pakistan is textile/apparel exports as a sector is under severe pressure due to foreign competition from places like Vietnam and Bangladesh. Its not practical to tax the sector which is reeling and a mass employer. So realistically you are left with remittances. I think increased remittances have been a success story for Pakistan in the last 5-6 years. But they need to make some hard calls and tax said remittances a bit more to raise revenues for the government. Already the government budget deficit is more than 4% of GDP. To certain extent India is in the same boat as Pak. But we have made some tough calls in terms of the GST and improving our taxation system. to improve revenues. Coming back to CPEC, i think at its core it makes sense. Develop a very good port (build a city around the port) and have a good road network to connect it through to China. I think thats a good idea. But the extensions of the industrial corridor is where I think the Pakistani state may struggle to pay. Instead of spending all that money on Islamabad (pak moved capital there in aftermath of wars) maybe Gwadar should have been a 2-3 million city by now. Not the best strategic thinking. Could have been a very good earner for Pakistan located right next to the middle east with big refining capacity. jalebi_bhai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said: I think we want everyone in the region to join CPEC not just India..... Lol! Chinese said they are waiting for Indian response on CPEC. So, what Chinese are hinting to India is they can get Pakistan tow anyline. But offcourse, Unlike Sartaz Aziz Pakistan, Indian foreign office is more matured as IMO China should come with a direct offer instead via Pakistan. Edited December 25, 2016 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 On 12/23/2016 at 9:02 PM, Finer said: I am not going to post evidence since you guys are regular members of Pakistan defense forum and google is your best friend. That being said since i am already assumed as liar, then why expect evidence from the liar since you guys are not gonna believe me anyways. You are not going to post evidence because you don't have evidence. Evidence isn't about belief. I can think you are a liar and still consider something you said to be true if it is factually provable. If a liar says 'the earth revolves around the sun', people don't go 'he is lying about that too'. But then again, logic isn't your best quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardWarrior Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 13 hours ago, mishra said: Lol! Chinese said they are waiting for Indian response on CPEC. So, what Chinese are hinting to India is they can get Pakistan tow anyline. But offcourse, Unlike Sartaz Aziz Pakistan, Indian foreign office is more matured as IMO China should come with a direct offer instead via Pakistan. i think pakistan always said from the start that its beneficial for entire region including India.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 How would india joining cpec work? That what's the offer. Sent from my Wileyfox Swift using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, KeyboardWarrior said: i think pakistan always said from the start that its beneficial for entire region including India.... How? I think most pakistanis are too naive and have no clue India is only country which hasnt recognised ine China policy and has more border issue with china then Tauwan. China created CPEC just an answer to Aruanchal Prades. Do some google. China would have acted like total bully had it not recognised there is UN which used to understand them guys in terms of noodles (Trump and west) Edited December 26, 2016 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 ^ so its 2-0 si for pakistan and India but 1-0 for India -China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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