Indian Fast bowlers (qualification 40 or more wickets in tests or Odis )

[maniac]

12 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

And what about his brilliant bowling in the game which mattered the most, against Pakistan where we were under pressure, the most intense game in the history of Indian cricket.

 

 

Nehra has won us many such games defending low scores in last few overs.  He was a pretty good ODI bowler for us. 

Raina did well in that game and so did munaf...yes it was a clutch performance but as I said nehra has not done as well as his reputation suggests

[Cricketics]

15 minutes ago, maniac said:

Raina did well in that game and so did munaf...yes it was a clutch performance but as I said nehra has not done as well as his reputation suggests

Actually you are talking the opposite.  His reputation suggests that he sucked all the time for India, but in fact he did well for India plenty of times. 

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Actually you are talking the opposite.  His reputation suggests that he sucked all the time for India, but in fact he did well for India plenty of times. 

No...look at his stats...as @BeautifulGame mentioned nehra has performed well in some important games... the fact that he was in the team for more than 3 decades 90s to now and his name value, you would feel like he has a bucket loads of wickets.

 

he has lesser wickets than Pathan, prabhakar and prasad in odis ..now obviously we know that fitness made him quit test cricket and hence his poor test stats can be overlooked but the fact is he hasn't done as much as we think he did in odis as well.

Edited December 3, 2016 by maniac

[express bowling]

Among Indian seamers in the above list

 

Pacers who had     (  good skills + sufficient pace + good bouncers used regularly  )

 

are    Srinath,     Zaheer,     Kapil ( 1978 to 1985 ) ,   Shami,     Munaf  ( first  2 years ),  

 

And....these have been our  best  pacers in our history barring  Munaf 

 

It would be nice if we  get more such  pacers.     Trying  Nathu Singh,   Shardul Thakur  and Aniket Chaudhuri  may give us one more such  seamer  if not more.   Some other new pacers having similar qualities may be tried too.

Edited December 3, 2016 by express bowling

[Cricketics]

3 hours ago, maniac said:

No...look at his stats...as @BeautifulGame mentioned nehra has performed well in some important games... the fact that he was in the team for more than 3 decades 90s to now and his name value, you would feel like he has a bucket loads of wickets.

 

he has lesser wickets than Pathan, prabhakar and prasad in odis ..now obviously we know that fitness made him quit test cricket and hence his poor test stats can be overlooked but the fact is he hasn't done as much as we think he did in odis as well.

If we look at stats from all the top Indian pacers, and count all their impressive performances, I don't think you will find that many great performance of other pacers either the way they look on stat sheet. Some times 2-40 is also good bowling performance but it doesn't get noted much since wickets columns would show just two wickets.

The point is, for me Agarkar was the best bowler among all, and Zaheer Khan the best among recent ones, but Nehra played great part in helping us win plenty of games and to me, he isn't given as much credit. In fact, more people know him just for his 6fer and that's about it.

 

[vishalvirsingh]

I liked sreesanth  and srinath a lot.

sreesanth under achieved to what he could . 

 

[Rightarmfast]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

Among Indian seamers in the above list

 

Pacers who had     (  good skills + sufficient pace + good bouncers used regularly  )

 

are    Srinath,     Zaheer,     Kapil ( 1978 to 1985 ) ,   Shami,     Munaf  ( first  2 years ),  

 

And....these have been our  best  pacers in our history barring  Munaf 

 

It would be nice if we  get more such  pacers.     Trying  Nathu Singh,   Shardul Thakur  and Aniket Chaudhuri  may give us one more such  seamer  if not more.   Some other new pacers having similar qualities may be tried too.

I'd say you are missing out Nehra from the list. If you talk about skills and pace, Nehra was right up there. Had it not been his fitness, he would have been one of leading left arm bowlers in the world.

[Vijy]

On 12/2/2016 at 0:22 PM, maniac said:

Tests

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	131	227	27740	12867	434	9/83	11/146	29.64	2.78	63.9	23	2
Z Khan	2000-2014	92	165	18785	10247	311	7/87	10/149	32.94	3.27	60.4	11	1
J Srinath	1991-2002	67	121	15104	7196	236	8/86	13/132	30.49	2.85	64.0	10	1
I Sharma	2007-2016	72	126	13923	7674	209	7/74	10/108	36.71	3.30	66.6	7	1
KD Ghavri	1974-1981	39	69	7036	3656	109	5/33	7/120	33.54	3.11	64.5	4	0
IK Pathan	2003-2008	29	54	5884	3226	100	7/59	12/126	32.26	3.28	58.8	7	2
M Prabhakar	1984-1995	39	68	7475	3581	96	6/132	6/92	37.30	2.87	77.8	3	0
BKV Prasad	1996-2001	33	58	7041	3360	96	6/33	10/153	35.00	2.86	73.3	7	1
S Sreesanth	2006-2011	27	50	5419	3271	87	5/40	8/99	37.59	3.62	62.2	3	0
Mohammed Shami	2013-2016	22	42	4306	2478	76	5/47	9/118	32.60	3.45	56.6	2	0
RB Desai	1959-1968	28	45	5597	2761	74	6/56	8/190	37.31	2.95	75.6	2	0
S Madan Lal	1974-1986	39	63	5997	2846	71	5/23	6/47	40.08	2.84	84.4	4	0
UT Yadav	2011-2016	24	46	3965	2491	65	5/93	7/103	38.32	3.76	61.0	1	0
C Sharma	1984-1989	23	39	3470	2163	61	6/58	10/188	35.45	3.74	56.8	4	1
AB Agarkar	1998-2006	26	46	4857	2745	58	6/41	8/160	47.32	3.39	83.7	1	0
S Abid Ali	1967-1974	29	49	4164	1980	47	6/55	7/116	42.12	2.85	88.5	1	0
RMH Binny	1979-1987	27	38	2870	1534	47	6/56	8/101	32.63	3.20	61.0	2	0
L Amarnath	1933-1952	24	35	4241	1481	45	5/96	8/167	32.91	2.09	94.2	2	0
A Nehra	1999-2004	17	29	3447	1866	44	4/72	6/117	42.40	3.24	78.3	0	0
RF Surti	1960-1969	26	45	3870	1962	42	5/74	6/161	46.71	3.04	92.1	1	0
B Kumar	2013-2016	15	25	2325	1150	41	6/82	6/46	28.04	2.96	56.7	4	0
GS Ramchand	1952-1960	33	56	4976	1899	41	6/49	7/76	46.31	2.28	121.3	1	0
RP Singh	2006-2011	14	25	2534	1682	40	5/59	7/117	42.05	3.98	63.3	1	0

 

ODI's

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
J Srinath	1991-2003	229	227	11935	8847	315	5/23	28.08	4.44	37.8	7	3
AB Agarkar	1998-2007	191	188	9484	8021	288	6/42	27.85	5.07	32.9	10	2
Z Khan	2000-2012	194	191	9815	8102	269	5/42	30.11	4.95	36.4	7	1
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	225	221	11202	6945	253	5/43	27.45	3.71	44.2	3	1
BKV Prasad	1994-2001	161	160	8129	6332	196	5/27	32.30	4.67	41.4	3	1
IK Pathan	2004-2012	120	118	5855	5142	173	5/27	29.72	5.26	33.8	5	2
M Prabhakar	1984-1996	130	127	6360	4534	157	5/33	28.87	4.27	40.5	4	2
A Nehra	2001-2011	117	117	5637	4899	155	6/23	31.60	5.21	36.3	5	2
I Sharma	2007-2016	80	78	3733	3563	115	4/34	30.98	5.72	32.4	6	0
SC Ganguly	1992-2007	308	170	4543	3835	100	5/16	38.35	5.06	45.4	1	2
Mohammed Shami	2013-2015	47	46	2345	2166	87	4/35	24.89	5.54	26.9	5	0
UT Yadav	2010-2016	62	61	2915	2902	87	4/31	33.35	5.97	33.5	3	0
MM Patel	2006-2011	70	67	3154	2603	86	4/29	30.26	4.95	36.6	3	0
RMH Binny	1980-1987	72	67	2957	2260	77	4/29	29.35	4.58	38.4	3	0
P Kumar	2007-2012	68	67	3242	2774	77	4/31	36.02	5.13	42.1	3	0
S Sreesanth	2005-2011	53	52	2476	2508	75	6/55	33.44	6.07	33.0	2	1
S Madan Lal	1974-1987	67	64	3164	2137	73	4/20	29.27	4.05	43.3	2	0
RP Singh	2005-2011	58	57	2565	2343	69	4/35	33.95	5.48	37.1	2	0
RR Singh	1989-2001	136	117	3734	2985	69	5/22	43.26	4.79	54.1	0	2
C Sharma	1983-1994	65	63	2835	2336	67	3/22	34.86	4.94	42.3	0	0
B Kumar	2012-2016	57	57	2819	2298	60	4/8	38.30	4.89	46.9	2	0
DS Mohanty	1997-2001	45	44	1996	1662	57	4/56	29.15	4.99	35.0	1	0
M Amarnath	1975-1989	85	64	2730	1971	46	3/12	42.84	4.33	59.3	0	0

 

 

Anyone who has underachieved or overachieved....any surprising names or omissions?

 

Some observations

 

For me Venkatesh Prasad having nearly 200 ODI wickets is a surprise...I always thought he was  comparatively a better Test bowler than a ODI bowler based on a few spells I saw of his in Eng and South Africa in 1996. Apart from that famous Sohail incident and the 1999 WC, my memories of Venky as a ODI bowler was to see him get smacked around by Jayasuriya or Anwar in the 90's.

 

Not surprising to see Agarkar as the 2nd best ODI fast bowler statistically that we have produced...may surprise newer followers of the game who are not familiar with the legend of Sir Aggy...how can someone who has pace, good seam do so well in one format and totally suck in the other?

 

Irfan Pathan has a good average,S/r and 100+ wickets in both formats. He might have been the only beneficiary in history of Indian cricket where selectors dropped someone when they are in decline...usually if someone had stats like that,the selectors usually ensure that keeps on playing till his stats look unbelievably bad.

 

Nehra despite having a senior player and legendary status,has pretty underwhelming stats...looks like he has been around forever but still he has lesser ODI wickets than Prasad and Prabhakar...in tests he has hardly eked out 40 wickets.

 

Karsan Ghavri,first left arm medium pacer from India might be the least famous name in the top 5 in the test list...109 wickets in tests...I think should have had more mainstream recognition than he got.

 

Chetan Sharma has a test 10 wicket haul,a ODI hattrick and also to add a ODI 100 but still will always be remembered for that Miandad 6.

 

RP Singh just about makes it because the criteria was at least 40 wickets in tests...In ODI's too I expected his stats to be way better.

 

 

 

 

 

This list makes for sad reading. Hope that BK and Shami will climb the rungs, at a good avg (and SR).

[vishalvirsingh]

There were good fast bowlers in kapil"s times who bowled  faster n were good but never allowed to play for India. 

I believe there was excessive politics and kapil also delayed srinath"s career.

 

[express bowling]

16 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

I'd say you are missing out Nehra from the list. If you talk about skills and pace, Nehra was right up there. Had it not been his fitness, he would have been one of leading left arm bowlers in the world.

You are right. Nehra did combine skills with good pace. 

 

The reason I left him out was because Nehra did not use the bouncer with sufficient frequency and when he used it, they were often just stomach high  ( the 3rd parameter I stated )

 

:)

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

You are right. Nehra did combine skills with good pace. 

 

The reason I left him out was because Nehra did not use the bouncer with sufficient frequency and when he used it, they were often just stomach high  ( the 3rd parameter I stated )

 

:)

Neha also lacked stamina to sustain pace. I have sen him bowl 121Kph on long days in the field.

[Vijy]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Neha also lacked stamina to sustain pace. I have sen him bowl 121Kph on long days in the field.

I've seen him bowl 115-120 too.

[Rightarmfast]

I was talking about ODI's. I doubt that had happened in ODI's. For the record, I have seen Kumble bowling at 115-120. Doesnt mean he had extra energy to do so. That's called guile too.

[vishalvirsingh]

On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 1:25 AM, vishalvirsingh said:

There were good fast bowlers in kapil"s times who bowled  faster n were good but never allowed to play for India. 

I believe there was excessive politics and kapil also delayed srinath"s career.

 

there was a guy called raju Kulkarni who bowled fast...but he never got any support. a fast bowler needs support and only when he has the confidence and support from his coaches , he manages to deliver.

Raju had the potential to play for india but he just played one or 2 ODI matches.

even salil ankola and vivek razdan should have played more.

than recently VRV Singh did get some support but he could not deliver, he was said to be better than Sreesanth by Greg chapel.

than Sreesanth who had serious control over Seam even better than ZAk was made to fail by DHONI as DHoni criticized him and his temper.

 

Pacers are gems and jewels...INDIAN coaches and captains have to really take care of them.

DHoni Supported IShant and ishant did win dhoni a test match or two  but over all IShant under delivered.

Dhoni supports Spinners and ncos he wants to keep against Spinners more ...

Shammi has been declared as the Main Strike bowler and he is well supported and now umesh will also get support .. I believe that both will deliver.

IN matches when sreesanth zak and Irfan used to play together -- Sreesanth used to match ZAK and had better seam than ZAK..Sreesanth had to be well supported.. DHONI could not handle him well.

 

Kohli is supporting fast bowlers even when they go for runs...and hence I feel kohli will get better results from fast bowlers.