Our power hitters in Loi's!! Who are they?

[Lannister]

1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

That we all know, but we are talking about Rohit's batting order. He is doing fine at his opening slot. HE failed miserably earlier batting at the place where you are trying to bring him back. No use of that. 

That was way back when he was still new to the team. He has enough experience now, and has improved a lot. We need him more at 5. 

[Lannister]

25 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Rohit is averaging 54 in last two years, how is it inconsistent? Now, no one can score every game but average of 50 plus is good enough. Also, Rohit can't bat that well in middle order, Rahul can.

His two double hundreds have been masking his failures. Take that out and you'll see the difference. When he scores he usually goes big and when he fails the numbers are like mobile numbers. 

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, Lannister said:

His two double hundreds have been masking his failures. Take that out and you'll see the difference. When he scores he usually goes big and when he fails the numbers are like mobile numbers. 

I am talking about last two years and both of his 200 came more than 2 years back, one 2013 and one in 2014. In his last 27 matches he has played after his 264, he averages 55 with 5 hundreds, 6 fifties.

Edited January 2, 2017 by rkt.india

[SecondSlip]

We need to groom a new #6 after the Champions Trophy this year. Neither Raina or Jadhav are long term options and I don't see either making it to the 2019 World Cup. 

Who are the options that we can try at #6 that can play long term? Maybe someone like Gurkeerat Mann, Deepak Hooda, SuryaKumar Yadav or Krunal Pandya is the answer! 

Otherwise, we have lots of good strokemakers that can easily fill up our top 5. At present, my top 5 would be: 

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni (C & WK) 

All 5 will win India matches on their day. Need to stop persisting with the likes of Rayudu & Rahane ASAP. These guys will never win you a match in ODIs. Neither they can power hit the like guys mentioned above! 

[Lannister]

38 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

I am talking about last two years and both of his 200 came more than 2 years back, one 2013 and one in 2014. In his last 27 matches he has played after his 264, he averages 55 with 5 hundreds, 6 fifties.

That's really impressive. But his performance is not upto mark when playing against top teams in ICC tournaments. The point I was trying to make is he should play at 5. 

Edited January 2, 2017 by Lannister

[rkt.india]

10 minutes ago, Lannister said:

That's really impressive. But his performance is not upto mark when playing against top teams in ICC tournaments. The point I was trying to make is he should play at 5. 

But his performance only got better as opener. In middle order, he was averaging 32.

[Lannister]

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

But his performance only got better as opener. In middle order, he was averaging 32.

An average of 40 with a strike rate of 120+ is more than enough at 5 and he's the only player who can do that. We need to get back to winning ways, that is more important than some individual averaging 50. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

That is mostly applicable for T20s, don't get confused with the formats. Otherwise we wouldn't be having problems with our weak lower order. ABD bats at 4 for South Africa. 

Who said that ?????? Career of many odi greats have changed by batting in top 3 be it sachin, ganguly, gilly, jayasuria. Listen to many Ganguly interview he ll tell u the same that he n sachin wouldnt even have been half of players if they didnt get a chance to bat at top. 

 

Abdv bats at 4, well 1st abdv has the gears and game that many dont have including kohli. Kohli cant hurt like ABDV . So kohli needs more balls to score that much . Secondly Abdv own countrymen have been screaming him to bat up and win more games

 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/top-stories/Virat-Kohli-at-No-3-shapes-more-ODI-wins-than-AB-de-Villiers-Daryl-Cullinan/articleshow/48400191.cms

 

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

For all his bravado, he's too inconsistent at the top and opening is more riskier. His batting style lets him play anywhere in the team. We don't have a batsman who can play at 5, which I think is the most important position. Maxwell was the key difference for Australia in winning the World Cup. 

That shows ur lack of cricket accumen

HE has been one of ur best batsman in last 2 years and on Pattas he has hurt opp more than kohli

His batting style lets him play anywere.......bullshit. U havent followed his game then. He takes a lot of time to get going and that why opening suits him and at 5 you dont have much time to waste.

Simple maths

Give rohit sharma 150 balls he ll score around 200 , which any other batsman wont be able to

Give rohit sharma 50-60 balls, max he ll score 60-80 which many batsman can do. 

 

Rohit was a failure in middle order and opening was like a last chance that worked. Maxwell and rohit are completely diff players. Maxwell doesnt need time to get going. 

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

 

3 or 4, it doesn't matter for the best batsman in the world. It's a lot more safe if he bats at 4.

Makes a huge diff. HE has said this himself in many interview. At 3 he can dictate terms and at 4 he he has to go acc to situation. 

Kohli also takes his time and at the end of the day he is ur best batsman , give ur best player whatever position he wants becoz he wins u games. 

If kohli has said 3 works better for him, no one shud argue with it. NO ONE

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

 

lol.. what to do with this guy..!! There's no place for grafters in this era. I think we should just hide him at 7, if the match reaches at that point it's safe to assume that we have already lost it.

Grafter who can switch gears will always be the essence of ODi cricket. Its not t20. PLz go check his innings against Pak in chennai, Aus in Mohali and 90+ against SA last year. HE may be on decline but yet he score more than many. His keeping is still brilliant and Exp in dressing room matters a lot. He just had 1 bad year and u dont throw legends for one bad year.

 

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

 

I want to see Rahul take more responsibility and there by more exposure, he has the potential to be our next best bat to Kohli. We have been doing it all wrong by sending in new players very late in the batting order. They will not learn anything with only 5-10 overs remaining. 

 

Even i want to see Rahul at top but not at cost of Rohit. If he has to come in at opening it has to be in place of Shikhar dhawan. IF dhawan saves his place Rahul can bat in middle order. Dhawan will also have threat from Pant in future. 

[Cricketics]

46 minutes ago, Lannister said:

An average of 40 with a strike rate of 120+ is more than enough at 5 and he's the only player who can do that. We need to get back to winning ways, that is more important than some individual averaging 50. 

It has not worked man, with his guy. Rohit Sharma is one lazy guy who throws his wicket very easily. He doesn't play the patient game much  but some how he is working well for us as an opener. Even though I am still not one of his big fans like most people are here, but I do know that he has done well recently as an opener and that area is working well for him as now he feels more comfortable to switch gears when he feels like he is set. He has gotten more used to that job as an opener.

 

If we bring him down, we could have another head ache of finding Dhawan's partner. We will try most likely Rishabh Pant and Rahul, and if they f ail in few games, they might ask Rohit back and that circus might begin again of switching players back and forth. Let's just keep Rohit where he is at already.

[bsriharsha]

1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

It has not worked man, with his guy. Rohit Sharma is one lazy guy who throws his wicket very easily. He doesn't play the patient game much  but some how he is working well for us as an opener. Even though I am still not one of his big fans like most people are here, but I do know that he has done well recently as an opener and that area is working well for him as now he feels more comfortable to switch gears when he feels like he is set. He has gotten more used to that job as an opener.

 

If we bring him down, we could have another head ache of finding Dhawan's partner. We will try most likely Rishabh Pant and Rahul, and if they f ail in few games, they might ask Rohit back and that circus might begin again of switching players back and forth. Let's just keep Rohit where he is at already.

Rohit Sharma has been averaging more than Kohli in the limited formats over the last 2 years. 

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Who said that ?????? Career of many odi greats have changed by batting in top 3 be it sachin, ganguly, gilly, jayasuria.

By that same logic, isn't it best if we let new, young players help build their careers by letting them bat at the top order?

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Listen to many Ganguly interview he ll tell u the same that he n sachin wouldnt even have been half of players if they didnt get a chance to bat at top. 

 

Abdv bats at 4, well 1st abdv has the gears and game that many dont have including kohli. Kohli cant hurt like ABDV . So kohli needs more balls to score that much . Secondly Abdv own countrymen have been screaming him to bat up and win more games

Yuvraj, Maxwell, Symonds have all left the lasting impression by winning the goddamn World cup by batting at the lower-middle order. You must be watching lot of IPL matches to think only top order batsmen matters. 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rohit takes a lot of time to get going and that why opening suits him and at 5 you dont have much time to waste.

Have you ever wondered why he takes a lot of time to get going? Because there's not much room for strike rotation when batting at the top. It's just common sense. With him batting at 5, it's not going to be much of a problem. 

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Makes a huge diff. HE has said this himself in many interview. At 3 he can dictate terms and at 4 he he has to go acc to situation. 

Kohli also takes his time and at the end of the day he is ur best batsman , give ur best player whatever position he wants becoz he wins u games. 

If kohli has said 3 works better for him, no one shud argue with it. NO ONE

Again mistaking T20s with ODIs here. We are going to see a lot of new faces in the coming days and the only way they get exposure is by facing lot of deliveries at the top. 

 

 

 

[Cricketics]

1 hour ago, bsriharsha said:

Rohit Sharma has been averaging more than Kohli in the limited formats over the last 2 years. 

Yeah so? What does that have to do with anything. Kohli is averaging better than Rohit in last 12 months.

 

Fact is that Rohit needs to just play as an opener, that is where he has had his success. Can he play in the middle order? sure he can, but we tried him a lot and he failed badly. We lost many games because of his poor run. We can not bring him back now down. Let him stay at the top where he is adding great value for the team. He has been really dominant up at the top.

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, Lannister said:

By that same logic, isn't it best if we let new, young players help build their careers by letting them bat at the top order?

Well yes but not at the helm of someone successful. 

The most important thing is team - So when kohli n rohit have done so well for team , dont change their position becoz it works for the team and team comes 1st before any individual.

Those individuals should be better if they wanna replace, like i have saying that rahul is miles ahead of dhawan so get rahul in for dhawan. Now if Pant proves out to be better than Rohit then replace Rohit not just for the sake of moving things. 

About Kohli he is not just best in India but in world so u hve to be an idiot to move him. 

12 hours ago, Lannister said:

Yuvraj, Maxwell, Symonds have all left the lasting impression by winning the goddamn World cup by batting at the lower-middle order. You must be watching lot of IPL matches to think only top order batsmen matters. 

 

So are yuvraj, maxwell and symonds same type of player. Their games didnt deserve higher order and kohli games is best for top order. Kohli cant bat in the gears like above guys do. 

Btw yuvraj career also changed when he moved up the order. 

When did u see gilly or pointing leaving their spots to bats symonds up and build a youngster. Didnt happen, u knw why coz it was stupid. You dont fix what isnt broken. 

 

When did i say only top order matters, My point is simple give ur best batsman max number of balls. At the same time that person game should also be taken into consideration and most importantly batting at what position helps. 

 

Obv ur coming from a very impulsive thought os school that scream "change all" "change all" contradiciting every logic. 

 

Do u see anyone above agreeing with ur logic of moving kohli n rohit??????? No

Do u see team mngmt agreeing with you????? No

Do u see Rohit n kohli agreeing with you?????? No

Do u seee any ex- cricketer agreeing with you ?????? No

 

Throw ur logic to sink then

12 hours ago, Lannister said:

Have you ever wondered why he takes a lot of time to get going? Because there's not much room for strike rotation when batting at the top. It's just common sense. With him batting at 5, it's not going to be much of a problem. 

Strike rotation was never rohit's game make him bat anywhere

Batting at top doesnt have much room for strike rotation- well u shud see a lot of Sehwag n gambhir partnerships. Even watch kohli or gambhir. Those guys use to dab n run. Thats a skill.

 

12 hours ago, Lannister said:

Again mistaking T20s with ODIs here. We are going to see a lot of new faces in the coming days and the only way they get exposure is by facing lot of deliveries at the top. 

Fresh talent has always comeup with all nations, doesnt mean u change whats working. Unless u have find someone way extra ordinary. 

 

13 hours ago, bsriharsha said:

Rohit Sharma has been averaging more than Kohli in the limited formats over the last 2 years. 

Not this year.....

[Lannister]

7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Well yes but not at the helm of someone successful. 

The most important thing is team - So when kohli n rohit have done so well for team , dont change their position becoz it works for the team and team comes 1st before any individual.

Those individuals should be better if they wanna replace, like i have saying that rahul is miles ahead of dhawan so get rahul in for dhawan. Now if Pant proves out to be better than Rohit then replace Rohit not just for the sake of moving things. 

About Kohli he is not just best in India but in world so u hve to be an idiot to move him. 

Despite their performance we are still finding it hard to win games. We don't have any quality power hitters coming through the ranks, so for the sake of team, experienced players should be asked to bat out of their comfort zones. Rohit is more than capable to bat at the lower order in LOIs, like he has shown with the Test team.

7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So are yuvraj, maxwell and symonds same type of player. Their games didnt deserve higher order and kohli games is best for top order. Kohli cant bat in the gears like above guys do. 

Btw yuvraj career also changed when he moved up the order. 

When did u see gilly or pointing leaving their spots to bats symonds up and build a youngster. Didnt happen, u knw why coz it was stupid. You dont fix what isnt broken.

So according to you it's perfectly alright if Dhoni grafts at 4 () but somehow Kohli lacks the skills to bat in that position? Now it's my turn to question your Cricketing acumen. No wonder you Dhoni fans get ridiculed on this forum. 

Number 3 and 4 requires similar kind of skill-sets, at least in ODIs. They usually come on to bat with still 25-30 overs remaining, and that's a lot of time to get yourself set. For example, George Bailey, who's usually a slow batsman, bats at 4 for Australia. 

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Strike rotation was never rohit's game make him bat anywhere

Batting at top doesnt have much room for strike rotation- well u shud see a lot of Sehwag n gambhir partnerships. Even watch kohli or gambhir. Those guys use to dab n run. Thats a skill.

Well you were complaining that Rohit is a slow starter but he's not. It's very hard to take singles with all the close-in fielders when batting in the first 10 overs. He will have no such problems in the middle order when the field is spread-out. 

 

What you are doing is you simply assuming that the new players like Pant and Rahul will just fail at the top, who are in-fact top order batsmen. This is not how you groom new talents by telling them to bat out of their comfort zones. Experienced players should be ready to bat at whatever the position the team needs. 

[dragonfly]

The thread title at first glance, read quite appropriately "Our power hitters in Lols".

[rkt.india]

23 hours ago, Cricketics said:

It has not worked man, with his guy. Rohit Sharma is one lazy guy who throws his wicket very easily. He doesn't play the patient game much  but some how he is working well for us as an opener. Even though I am still not one of his big fans like most people are here, but I do know that he has done well recently as an opener and that area is working well for him as now he feels more comfortable to switch gears when he feels like he is set. He has gotten more used to that job as an opener.

 

If we bring him down, we could have another head ache of finding Dhawan's partner. We will try most likely Rishabh Pant and Rahul, and if they f ail in few games, they might ask Rohit back and that circus might begin again of switching players back and forth. Let's just keep Rohit where he is at already.

You must be joking. He has been opening since Jan 2012 now, it is 5 years and not just recently and is averaging 46 in last 5 years with 8 100s and 18 50s after playing 81 ODIs, so, more than. Batted 72 matches in middle order and averages 34 with 2 100s and 11 50s. So, he has played more than half of his ODIs as an opener now.

[Cricketics]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

You must be joking. He has been opening since Jan 2012 now, it is 5 years and not just recently and is averaging 46 in last 5 years with 8 100s and 18 50s after playing 81 ODIs, so, more than. Batted 72 matches in middle order and averages 34 with 2 100s and 11 50s. So, he has played more than half of his ODIs as an opener now.

In a career spanning from 2007-2016, yes, he has done well recently compared to before. I am talking about him as a player regardless of wherever he has batted. He has increased his average and gotten more consistent in last few years compared to his past where he was big burden to the team. It is a fact. 

[Unleashed]

Pandya should be a must in ODIs and T20 teams, I know this might sound over the top but if we want to win abroad then we need a pace bowling all rounder in our team. 

 

He must be kept in the team and developed into something good. Kinda like how the team management persisted with Jadeja, even though most of the experts wrote him off. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 hours ago, Lannister said:

Despite their performance we are still finding it hard to win games. We don't have any quality power hitters coming through the ranks, so for the sake of team, experienced players should be asked to bat out of their comfort zones. Rohit is more than capable to bat at the lower order in LOIs, like he has shown with the Test team.

Team is not winning coz of others not becoz of them. They both are taking team to winning position but others are not completing the job. If u change their position u wnt even reach winning positon.

U talk about capabilty when someone is nt tested but rohit has been tested and failed in middle. 

Test team

Rohit sharma is a failure in test cricket. I wanna smoke what ur smoking

We dont have quality power hitter coming- whatt??????

Pant, kishen, samson, nitish rana, krunal,hardik, sarfraz

They can hit really well

 

For the sake of team dont change whats working, change whats not

Ausssie never changed pointing or gilly spot for clarke n symo

Bevan kept batting low coz that was his role.

Sachin when made to bat at 4 didnt have the same effectiveness

 

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So according to you it's perfectly alright if Dhoni grafts at 4 () but somehow Kohli lacks the skills to bat in that position? Now it's my turn to question your Cricketing acumen. No wonder you Dhoni fans get ridiculed on this forum. 

Coz kohli is a far superior batsman technically then dhoni thats y he can bat at 3 specially overseas. Dhoni can bat at 3 in subcontinet. Also dhoni can bat lower but if virat bats lower his effectivensss wont be same

 

Which team captain wud want his biggest match winner in less effective situation. 

Ofcourse kohli can bat 4 and he has but he is more effective at 3. 

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Number 3 and 4 requires similar kind of skill-sets, at least in ODIs. They usually come on to bat with still 25-30 overs remaining, and that's a lot of time to get yourself set. For example, George Bailey, who's usually a slow batsman, bats at 4 for Australia. 

No at 4 u need to have that extra gear like abdv, yuvraj, pietersen, lara had.

If u read kohli interview and study his recent game he has said that i have reduced risky shots coz i knw m opposition most prized wkt. So kohli has made his game risk free

 

Obviously u dnt care about a playee comfort specialy of ur biggest match winner. 

Wow what a startegy to make ur team win, put ur biggest match winner in bother as if he doesnt have enough issues. 

Btw we did try that in 2015 and virat kohli had a very avg year and team suffered. So that idea was a flop like rohit middle order. U like flop ideas.

 

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Well you were complaining that Rohit is a slow starter but he's not. It's very hard to take singles with all the close-in fielders when batting in the first 10 overs. He will have no such problems in the middle order when the field is spread-out.

What you are doing is you simply assuming that the new players like Pant and Rahul will just fail at the top, who are in-fact top order batsmen. This is not how you groom new talents by telling them to bat out of their comfort zones. Experienced players should be ready to bat at whatever the position the team

Rohit doesnt have the skill to rotate strike like dhoni n kohli. So does rahane lack that, thats y they cant be kohli.

 

I have never said they are bad. M ready to give rahul a chance in place of dhawan. Ur not complaining.

 

I wanna give pant a chance but it wud be unfair to drop rohit. So pant comes in when rohit is injured and if he does oustandingly well goodbye rohit. 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03

[jusarrived]

On 02/01/2017 at 0:55 PM, bsriharsha said:

Rohit Sharma has been averaging more than Kohli in the limited formats over the last 2 years. 

Hes not had half the impact Virat has had though . Please dont put these two guys in the same bracket .