Who to blame, best T20 league, biggest pool poor T20 team

[Unleashed]

14 minutes ago, Silva said:

 and i think india probably would have won the world t20 had they won a couple of tosses in the semi final and final. T20 is still a lotrery at times but india has been winning a lot more than most which shouldnt be over looked.

That T20 semi final was a shambles. So much dew in the second innings, that it was impossible to bowl there. 

[Texan]

First must change this mentality that dropping senior players is some kind of crime and dropping a former captain who was once a top player is akin to murder. Look at the Australians - they drop any player who does not fit in or is no longer in form. Unless this mentality of the selectors changes, nothing good will come out of it.

 

Incidentally, the only time we won the T20 WC was when we backed young players and did not pick any senior player in the team and let the team play throwing caution to the wind. Some lessons are never learnt.

[MCcricket]

34 minutes ago, Unleashed said:

Number two in the world and the highest win ratio of all the non associate teams playing right now. 

 

OP makes it sound as if we're rubbish in this format. Just because your favorite youngster isn't in the team,  doesn't mean our team sucks. People need to get their head out of their asses and actually look at the results rather than posting nonsense. 

Looks like your is still stuck in yours, we have been lucky to win this one or we are a level or two behind England and other good teams

Our selections are bad, picking up old past sell by date players in a format which requires ,fitness, Daredevil , we have players like Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina jack my it and playing percentage cricket stuck in 90s.

 

It's pretty obvious to see our test side s far better, ODI improving but T20 where we have the biggest pool, IPL, our selections and game is few level below top sides.

Current side doesn't have players who are the need of modern T20 game, higher S/R not 100 or 110 and first 20 runs in 35 balls doesn't cut it.

Out of Dhoni, Raina, Yuvi all or atleast 2 must go, also Mishra nearly cost us the match, poor fielder n attitude is time we get specialist.

See Rahane is even struggling against domestic bowling in T20, selectors need to differentiate ,understand formats and choose specialist, while keeping same core of

Kohli

Rahul

Jadeja

Ashwin

Jadhav

[Unleashed]

16 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Looks like your is still stuck in yours, we have been lucky to win this one or we are a level or two behind England and other good teams

Our selections are bad, picking up old past sell by date players in a format which requires ,fitness, Daredevil , we have players like Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina jack my it and playing percentage cricket stuck in 90s.

 

It's pretty obvious to see our test side s far better, ODI improving but T20 where we have the biggest pool, IPL, our selections and game is few level below top sides.

Current side doesn't have players who are the need of modern T20 game, higher S/R not 100 or 110 and first 20 runs in 35 balls doesn't cut it.

Out of Dhoni, Raina, Yuvi all or atleast 2 must go, also Mishra nearly cost us the match, poor fielder n attitude is time we get specialist.

See Rahane is even struggling against domestic bowling in T20, selectors need to differentiate ,understand formats and choose specialist, while keeping same core of

Kohli

Rahul

Jadeja

Ashwin

Jadhav

Yes ignore the facts and say every success is based on luck. Are you Donald Trump in disguise? A Level or two below England and other teams? Results say otherwise.

 

You talk about this format requiring fitness, then mention Sarfaraz Khan as one of the guys who we should develop. A guy who was singled out and criticised by Kohli in last IPL for his non-fitness. You mention Kamran Khan, jesus *ing christ, I'm not even getting into that discussion. You say Rahane struggles against domestic T20 bowlers and yet he scored 79 runs in 53 bowls against a decent Baroda attack and has historically been one of the best batsmen/openers in IPL(Shouldn't be in the T20I team but the mistakes in your posts are funny).

[Unleashed]

29 minutes ago, Texan said:

First must change this mentality that dropping senior players is some kind of crime and dropping a former captain who was once a top player is akin to murder. Look at the Australians - they drop any player who does not fit in or is no longer in form. Unless this mentality of the selectors changes, nothing good will come out of it.

 

Incidentally, the only time we won the T20 WC was when we backed young players and did not pick any senior player in the team and let the team play throwing caution to the wind. Some lessons are never learnt.

Yes, totally we should use the Australian formula. Imagine the reaction here would be pretty nice if we lose our last six ODI away on a stretch.

[MCcricket]

4 minutes ago, Unleashed said:

Yes ignore the facts and say every success is based on luck. Are you Donald Trump in disguise? A Level or two below England and other teams? Results say otherwise.

 

You talk about this format requiring fitness, then mention Sarfaraz Khan as one of the guys who we should develop. A guy who was singled out and criticised by Kohli in last IPL for his non-fitness. You mention Kamran Khan, jesus *ing christ, I'm not even getting into that discussion. You say Rahane struggles against domestic T20 bowlers and yet he scored 79 runs in 53 bowls against a decent Baroda attack and has historically been one of the best batsmen/openers in IPL(Shouldn't be in the T20I team but the mistakes in your posts are funny).

We are talking about a year back ,old news, Sarfaraz has worked on his fitness, and I have not named K Khan in any list here but was in terms of nurturing talent who can succeed in certain formats, Rahane is India's best test batsmen but falls shy of being a decent ODI player, his limitations are strike rotation and power play.

You can't see the writing on the wall that's your problem.

No need to be getting works up about a discussion it's not about your wife, you have a perspective and you r welcome to have it, don't behave like a rabid dog here.

[Unleashed]

14 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

We are talking about a year back ,old news, Sarfaraz has worked on his fitness, and I have not named K Khan in any list here but was in terms of nurturing talent who can succeed in certain formats, Rahane is India's best test batsmen but falls shy of being a decent ODI player, his limitations are strike rotation and power play.

You can't see the writing on the wall that's your problem.

No need to be getting works up about a discussion it's not about your wife, you have a perspective and you r welcome to have it, don't behave like a rabid dog here.

Heh. Point out factual inaccuracies in your post and then you complain about me getting worked up. Anyways, let's agree to disagree. 

 

[Silva]

1 hour ago, Texan said:

#1 blame must go to the selectors.

 

No matter what T20 talent we produce or witness in the IPL, these guys are hell bent on picking the same old same old. So, what use is having a premier T20 tournament like the IPL if we are not going to give any rising stars from there any chance?

But to be fair IPL doesnt give much chances to younger unestablished players either. Most people agree that Pant and jadhav should be picked in t20 team ahead of Yuvi and Raina but in the last IPL they didnt play as many games compared to yuvi and Raina. Pant is in the t20 squad probably more for  his ranji trophy exploits and Jhadav will probably make it into the t20 team the based on his ODI and list a stats.  Their isnt that many ipl teams and not that many spots open for younger unestablished players.

Edited January 31, 2017 by Silva

[mancalledsting]

Indian players are not allowed to play in overseas t20 tournaments. Think of the skills Raina and Yusuf Pathan would have picked up playing overseas. 

[The Realist]

On the money article:

 

India's T20 batting in need of reinvention

 

Batting only 11 deliveries at the top of England's chase in Kanpur, Jason Roy had already out-sixed the whole Indian innings by two hits to one. On a reasonably good batting wicket at the Green Park, England's openers had wiped out nearly a third of their chase of 147 in three overs. At a corresponding stage, India had managed just half the runs, with promoted opener Virat Kohli and KL Rahul adding 22 in the first three. Without the advantage of the big picture, it would be easy to categorise this fact as a one-off. Yes that particular surface had the seamers interested but then there is enough reason to believe that India may want to reconsider their approach to T20I batting.

 

In many ways, India's approach to T20s is not a lot different to how they play 50-over cricket. Steady at the start, build through the middle and hopefully carry enough momentum for a final flourish. The batting revolves around Kohli, arguably the greatest constructor of a limited-overs innings. However, with pitch curators around the world eager on appeasing the boundary-seeking crowds and the concept of a safe T20 score endangered, this unidimensional approach seems strangely archaic.

 

Kohli's pedigree and to an extent Rohit Sharma's emergence in the top-order have gone quite some way to mask India's frailties in the format, that have otherwise existed for a while now. But the absence of Rohit for this England series and Kohli's change of role, have laid the problems out bare once again. In an attempt to compensate for the lack of firepower at the top, the new Indian captain has been forced to take risks he wouldn't otherwise, even in the T20 format. This has had a cascading effect in the team's ageing middle order, that has struggled to keep up with the changing demands of the role.

 

It is ironic to note that India, in possession of the biggest T20 league - a factory that gobbles wide-eyed young cricketers and spits out new-age, ready-to-rock entertainers - still has had to rely on the fading superstars and out-of-fashion tactics on the international T20 stage. Incidentally, their one World T20 title time also came about when Dhoni & Co. shook the established order with their adventurism.

 

The IPL's contribution to the national T20I side is not too dissimilar to what the Premier League does for English football. It's great for talent identification but difficult to get similar players perform different roles for the national team.

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/91120/india-cricket-teams-t20-batting-in-need-of-reinvention

 

Edited February 1, 2017 by The Realist

[LordPrabhzy]

28 minutes ago, The Realist said:

On the money article:

 

India's T20 batting in need of reinvention

 

Batting only 11 deliveries at the top of England's chase in Kanpur, Jason Roy had already out-sixed the whole Indian innings by two hits to one. On a reasonably good batting wicket at the Green Park, England's openers had wiped out nearly a third of their chase of 147 in three overs. At a corresponding stage, India had managed just half the runs, with promoted opener Virat Kohli and KL Rahul adding 22 in the first three. Without the advantage of the big picture, it would be easy to categorise this fact as a one-off. Yes that particular surface had the seamers interested but then there is enough reason to believe that India may want to reconsider their approach to T20I batting.

 

In many ways, India's approach to T20s is not a lot different to how they play 50-over cricket. Steady at the start, build through the middle and hopefully carry enough momentum for a final flourish. The batting revolves around Kohli, arguably the greatest constructor of a limited-overs innings. However, with pitch curators around the world eager on appeasing the boundary-seeking crowds and the concept of a safe T20 score endangered, this unidimensional approach seems strangely archaic.

 

Kohli's pedigree and to an extent Rohit Sharma's emergence in the top-order have gone quite some way to mask India's frailties in the format, that have otherwise existed for a while now. But the absence of Rohit for this England series and Kohli's change of role, have laid the problems out bare once again. In an attempt to compensate for the lack of firepower at the top, the new Indian captain has been forced to take risks he wouldn't otherwise, even in the T20 format. This has had a cascading effect in the team's ageing middle order, that has struggled to keep up with the changing demands of the role.

 

It is ironic to note that India, in possession of the biggest T20 league - a factory that gobbles wide-eyed young cricketers and spits out new-age, ready-to-rock entertainers - still has had to rely on the fading superstars and out-of-fashion tactics on the international T20 stage. Incidentally, their one World T20 title time also came about when Dhoni & Co. shook the established order with their adventurism.

 

The IPL's contribution to the national T20I side is not too dissimilar to what the Premier League does for English football. It's great for talent identification but difficult to get similar players perform different roles for the national team.

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/91120/india-cricket-teams-t20-batting-in-need-of-reinvention

 

OMG i have been saying this for the last few years. whats the point of having the best and the most lucrative T20 league when youre not going to win T20 world cups. We need explosive hitters with the likes of Gayle/McCullum/ABD/Maxwell/Warner; esp atleast one of these as our openers and one in the middle order.  When people portray malnourished Axar and Pandya as our big hitters then you know there's a serious problem!

[putrevus]

You cannot create talent just because you have best league or more money  than everyone. For T20s and  finishers in ODIs you need the ability to clear the field from ball 1 while being somewhat consistent. We have not seen any big hitters emerge, guy like Yusuf Pathan got so many chances so if there is someone he would get a chance.We never had genuine fast bowlers who are match winners for that you cannot blame selectors same thing here.

[WC2011INDIA]

The problem with IPL teams are that they purchase explosive overseas batsmen to strengthen their team, but haven't identified such talents in India. Very few teams have invested in finding such players in India. Rishabh Pant and Ishan Kishan have potential, but they are still no where as good as the explosive batsmen of other countries. 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, WC2011INDIA said:

The problem with IPL teams are that they purchase explosive overseas batsmen to strengthen their team, but haven't identified such talents in India. Very few teams have invested in finding such players in India. Rishabh Pant and Ishan Kishan have potential, but they are still no where as good as the explosive batsmen of other countries. 

I do not know much about Ishan Kishan but I don't think he is big hitter, Pant on other hand looks like big hitter, selectors have done their job here they selected him in the team but if team management are not selecting him you cannot blame them.

 

IPL teams if they find cheap talent will sure take them but you cannot entrust job of finding talent on IPL teams that is job of BCCI with its vast resources and infrastructure.

[kubrickian]

Firstly, we are not doing too badly in T20 format. We won 3-0 against Australia in Australia which is quite good and reached World Cup Semis in 2016 and Final in 2014 and are currently ranked No 2. Going forward, we need a bit of re-invention. Pick the players who are doing well in IPL, especially youngsters and give them chances in the bilateral T20s and see what they've got. It doesnt matter if they fail and if we lose a few games. If we find a few good players, it will be good for the future. World Cup is all that matters in T20. Plan to build a team which could do well in that tournament and look at rest of the games as opportunities for trying new players. 

[Vilander]

English players dont play all around the globe, they dont play in IPL but they are still good power hitters. Its just selecting the right kind of players for the job and providing them the correct set of support, opportunities and environment to be successful.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

Dont under estimate I PEE HELL.