PSB_Zone Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Since the Role of Wicket-Keeper is very important when it comes to DRS as he is in the best Position .MSD shrewdness and experience is definitely missed In test Matches. Saha has to learn a lot and help kohli Shunya, Rasgulla, beetle and 1 other 4 Link to comment
kosingh Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 We hardly had DRS through most of Dhoni days speedheat 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Just now, kosingh said: We hardly had DRS through most of Dhoni days Yeah, exactly. Although Saha seems to be sleeping behind wickets. Didn't even bother apealing for the catch earlier. Link to comment
BCCI Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I can envision this topic degenerate into usual slugfest.On topic Saha needs to be more assertive in his decision making and ready to say no to or discourage Virat when he is going for a gut feel review. Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Have to say Saha - Kohli combo is lethal when comes to DRS . Ashwin and Jadeja as bowlers doesn't help but it's kinda understandable with bowlers. May be they need to have a designated system where atleast 3-4 people agree with before going for a review .Maybe include Rahane at slip , Kohli, Saha , Pujara and the bowler before taking up the review. Because currently we are wasting the reviews on absurd calls .Even them I am not sure about it with Rahane and Pujara looking meek and Kohli too emotional to overrule the bowlers.But have to be better at using DRS ,some of those calls were comical. Link to comment
Sidhoni Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Smith was out on 70-odd but we had no reviews. Earlier Kohli took a review for a ball that would have probably hit 5th stump. Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 It will take a herculean effort to come close to Dhoni as a Wkt-batsman and captainlet alone match him. Saha is a third rate keeper batsman and deserves no chance in team India. Sidhoni, Shunya, helperononline and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: It will take a herculean effort to come close to Dhoni as a Wkt-batsman and captainlet alone match him. Saha is a third rate keeper batsman and deserves no chance in team India. Whos better than Saha as a keeper in India Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 These things are basics and should be natural to wicketkeeper.Praising a wicketkeeper for being a good judge to drs review is akin to praising a 25 year experienced professional for knowing core constituents of his profession. Saha is horrible and can be criticised. Link to comment
kosingh Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said: Have to say Saha - Kohli combo is lethal when comes to DRS . Ashwin and Jadeja as bowlers doesn't help but it's kinda understandable with bowlers. May be they need to have a designated system where atleast 3-4 people agree with before going for a review .Maybe include Rahane at slip , Kohli, Saha , Pujara and the bowler before taking up the review. Because currently we are wasting the reviews on absurd calls .Even them I am not sure about it with Rahane and Pujara looking meek and Kohli too emotional to overrule the bowlers.But have to be better at using DRS ,some of those calls were comical. I think that is in fact the problem right now. Too many voices. No reason Slip or a close in fielder needs to give his opinion on whether the ball was hitting the stumps unless keeper's vision was blocked. Saha must speak up and have the #1 opinion, even if he is wrong. Close in fielders can say whether or not there was bat involved in those LBW situations. Right now Kohli is asking too many people, and everyone is responding with "Uhhh, I dunno. Maybe". And then we have the added issue of not using our batting reviews well either. Non strikers too timid to tell the batter "that was plumb, mate. Off you go" Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Whos better than Saha as a keeper in India We won't know until we give them a try. Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: We won't know until we give them a try. Nice cop out.Give me names No one has looked as secure in FC or the ones we tried. Who knows there are batsmen better than Kohli?Wont know until we try right Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Nice cop out.Give me names No one has looked as secure in FC or the ones we tried. Who knows there are batsmen better than Kohli?Wont know until we try right What's the cop out here lol You want names ? Try Pant or Kishan . The difference between Kohli and Saha is one is performing consistently and another isn't. Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said: What's the cop out here lol You want names ? Try Pant or Kishan . The difference between Kohli and Saha is one is performing consistently and another isn't. Try Pant or Kishan in Tests?Their keeping isnt rated at all Yeah was giving an example.Change it with Rahane :D Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Try Pant or Kishan in Tests?Their keeping isnt rated at all Yeah was giving an example.Change it with Rahane :D Based on what ? How many matches have we even seen in Ranji to say Pant keeping isn't good enough. What exactly is the technical issues with Kishan.He has kept wickets regularly for a team that has reached Ranji final .Why exactly is keeping good enough. Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said: Based on what ? How many matches have we even seen in Ranji to say Pant keeping isn't good enough. What exactly is the technical issues with Kishan.He has kept wickets regularly for a team that has reached Ranji final .Why exactly is keeping good enough. On a square turner,Saha hardly made any mistakes.Plus that catch off Yadav Sure batting is a concern,but would rather have a pure keeper first beetle 1 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 On a square turner,Saha hardly made any mistakes.Plus that catch off Yadav Sure batting is a concern,but would rather have a pure keeper first No question was what technical issues u find in Pant and zkishan to say their keeping is not good enough. Particularly considering Kishan has been keeping for Jarkhand for some time and no one has even seen Pant keep in Ranji.What exact technical issues do they have with their keeping honsely.Because this honestly looks like a generic throwaway line against every good batsmen wk who is attacking in nature. No good team uses just pure wk that is a thing of the past.Your wicket keeper has to be very good wicket keeper .And it's not even like Saha doesn't drop catches . If u just play a poor batsman wicket keeper then these kind of collapses continue to happen.Virtually every good test has a good wk bat .If u don't one it's imperative to try to find out one.Not be happy wicket keeper who is not a good enough batsman.Because we will be even more horribly exposed to collapses when we go overseas. Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Lord said: Whos better than Saha as a keeper in India Keeper means many things.He should be a good keeper,help with strategy like DRS and Field Settings,Motivator from behind the stumps and a competent batsman. Saha fulfills only one of those cricteria. Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: Keeper means many things.He should be a good keeper,help with strategy like DRS and Field Settings,Motivator from behind the stumps and a competent batsman. Saha fulfills only one of those cricteria. Helping with strategy is the domain of an experienced keeper who has fair amount of international matches exposure. Who do you think fits better if not Saha? Edited February 25, 2017 by Pollack Link to comment
Lord Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: No question was what technical issues u find in Pant and zkishan to say their keeping is not good enough. Particularly considering Kishan has been keeping for Jarkhand for some time and no one has even seen Pant keep in Ranji.What exact technical issues do they have with their keeping honsely.Because this honestly looks like a generic throwaway line against every good batsmen wk who is attacking in nature. No good team uses just pure wk that is a thing of the past.Your wicket keeper has to be very good wicket keeper .And it's not even like Saha doesn't drop catches . If u just play a poor batsman wicket keeper then these kind of collapses continue to happen.Virtually every good test has a good wk bat .If u don't one it's imperative to try to find out one.Not be happy wicket keeper who is not a good enough batsman.Because we will be even more horribly exposed to collapses when we go overseas. Bhai its simple.They are very young.If they were any good as keepers,it would have been reported by now just like their batting has been Saha OTOH has been rated as even best keeper in the world currently.I can link you to the articles Its not like hes totally useless as a batsman anyway.Scored a ton v BD and a fantastic rearguard one in WI. Pant and Kishan can be tried in ODIs sure.But in Tests you need a keeper first. I don't see any other team compromising on keeping either.All the keepers playing would have played even if batting was ignored, Link to comment
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