Pandya's bowling in the 1st 2 ODIs

[Straight Drive]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hardik pandya has a far better batting avg then yuvi n raina at 7 and has way more wkts then them in the number of games pandya has played 

 

Yuvraj singh was a very inconsistent player till 2005

Raina has been inconsistent his whole life

 

Pandya hasnt even played for 5 yrs 

Lets not compare Yuvi with Hardik. Yuvi was world best ODI player for few years. Hardik is not even the best player in our team. 

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

hardik pandya has a far better batting avg then yuvi n raina at 7 and has way more wkts then them in the number of games pandya has played 

 

Yuvraj singh was a very inconsistent player till 2005

Raina has been inconsistent his whole life

 

Pandya hasnt even played for 5 yrs 

The comparison of Pandya with Yuvi/Raina is not a one-to-one match. The latter duo were batsmen who bowled a bit (apart from a couple of yrs where Yuvi was a genuine batting allrounder). Pandya on the other hand is a different type of batsman compared to them, and is more of a regular bowler. As you mentioned, he is also quite raw and it remains to be seen how he develops over the next 1 yr.

[vayuu1]

hardik pandya has a far better batting avg then yuvi n raina at 7 and has way more wkts then them in the number of games pandya has played 

 

Yuvraj singh was a very inconsistent player till 2005

Raina has been inconsistent his whole life

 

Pandya hasnt even played for 5 yrs 

But both of them had to be dropped before that, that is what I don't want of Pandya, coz he is a very valuable asset, so the earlier he realizes the better.

 

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[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Lets not compare Yuvi with Hardik. Yuvi was world best ODI player for few years. Hardik is not even the best player in our team. 

YUvi didnt become that overnight, it took him 5 yrs....thats my point lets have patience 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vayuu1 said:

But both of them have to be dropped before that, that is what I don't want of Pandya, coz he is a very valuable asset, so the earlier he realizes the better.

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Becoz they had many poor series at start

Pandya hasnt done anything to be dropped 

[Straight Drive]

21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

YUvi didnt become that overnight, it took him 5 yrs....thats my point lets have patience 

 

Yuvi took time. It's true. But it is something that worked out fantastically well. He rocked major tournaments like WC as well. 

 

Problem with then and now is that then we had Sehwag, Sachin, Saurav, Dhoni, Gauti who for that era were excellent batters. Now Dhoni's form is dropping and Dhoni's replacement will also need to be searched. Then Ajinkya has still not looked to be a proper fit as specialist batsman in this format. Amidst all this we need to give Hardik time to improve. How much time we can afford. The backlog will pile on. That is a crucial  difference between thsi team and that team. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Straight Drive said:

Yuvi took time. It's true. But it is something that worked out fantastically well. He rocked major tournaments like WC as well. 

 

Problem with then and now is that then we had Sehwag, Sachin, Saurav, Dhoni, Gauti who for that era were excellent batters. Now Dhoni's form is dropping and Dhoni's replacement will also need to be searched. Then Ajinkya has still not looked to be a proper fit as specialist batsman in this format. Amidst all this we need to give Hardik time to improve. How much time we can afford. The backlog will pile on. That is a crucial  difference between thsi team and that team. 

When yuvi debut only had sachin, saurav n dravid and now we have kohli rohit n dhawan 

Sehwag came around yuvi only and was as inconsistent as anyone, so sehwag also a newbiw then 

Gautam came far later as permanent member 

When dhoni came in, within an year yuvi started getting into his groove

 

NEways watever others are around, it cant change the fact that pandya or any other young player will go through his initial struggle spcially someone Raw like pandya who actually is fast tracked. 

[Samcric]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Vijay Shankar and Krunal Pandya are ideal candidates.

 

Both bat in the top 4 for their states, are big hitters and can bowl 5 overs per match.

 

Either of them can share the 5th bowler's slot with Hardik.

Vijay Shankar, I think, will go for plenty in ODIs. He is slower than Hardik and from what I saw during SA A series, lacks control. The only place he might do well (with the ball) is in England with a red duke ball that swings in overcast conditions. I am afraid he does not have the pace or skill to contain in ODIs. 

 

[Samcric]

Biggest concern is that I am not sure if our Bowling coach is working with Pandya and how much can he help him. This is where having a good seam-bowling coach like Zaheer or Shane Bond would have been so useful.

[Straight Drive]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

When yuvi debut only had sachin, saurav n dravid and now we have kohli rohit n dhawan 

Sehwag came around yuvi only and was as inconsistent as anyone, so sehwag also a newbiw then 

Gautam came far later as permanent member 

When dhoni came in, within an year yuvi started getting into his groove

 

NEways watever others are around, it cant change the fact that pandya or any other young player will go through his initial struggle spcially someone Raw like pandya who actually is fast tracked. 

There is hardly any competition for him. Let us see how Vijay Shankar does in this IPL. Will help us to gauge whether he has the potential or not , at least a better vision than we have about him as of now. 

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Samcric said:

Vijay Shankar, I think, will go for plenty in ODIs. He is slower than Hardik and from what I saw during SA A series, lacks control. The only place he might do well (with the ball) is in England with a red duke ball that swings in overcast conditions. I am afraid he does not have the pace or skill to contain in ODIs. 

 

 

He does not have extra pace but can hit the deck hard and get bounce.   Has a natural outswing too.  Can bowl slower balls as well.

 

He was picking quite a few wickets on the SA A tour.

 

The best way to find out his current day ability is picking him against WI, SL, Bangladesh etc.

 

He can definitely bowl more overs than Kedar.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

He does not have extra pace but can hit the deck hard and get bounce.   Has a natural outswing too.  Can bowl slower balls as well.

 

He was picking quite a few wickets on the SA A tour.

 

The best way to find out his current day ability is picking him against WI, SL, Bangladesh etc.

 

He can definitely bowl more overs than Kedar.

this is certainly true. it remains to be seen how many runs, and at what SR, he will make. also seems to be very fragile and injury-prone too.

[Khota]

I know I offended people when I said Allrounders are like unicorns, they do not exist. Will it be OK if I substitute Unicorn with Yeti, Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeren, Yowie, Mande Barung, or a Leprechaun. I am vvery sensitive person and I dont want to offend anyone. I guess others could be right too if we look hard enough.

[Vijy]

6 minutes ago, Khota said:

I know I offended people when I said Allrounders are like unicorns, they do not exist. Will it be OK if I substitute Unicorn with Yeti, Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeren, Yowie, Mande Barung, or a Leprechaun. I am vvery sensitive person and I dont want to offend anyone. I guess others could be right too if we look hard enough.

Or Loch Ness Monster (Nessie). I think Nessies (genuine allrounders) are extremely uncommon in cricket, but I believe they do exist.

[Dada's Army]

His bowling never quite looks up to scratch but he has a knack of picking up wickets. He hasn't done so here but you also have to look at the wickets on offer so far.

 

Pathetic SA batting aside, both have been good batting tracks with nothing much on offer for the pacers, Look at the India wickets to fall:

 

ODI 1: 3 wickets fell to bowlers. All of which(Sharma, Rahane, and Kohli) can be classed as batsman errors rather than as a result of exceptional bowling.

ODI 2: Sharma again gave his wicket away today.

 

So I wouldn't be too harsh on him.

 

Fun fact: his bowling stats are better than Ben Stokes.

[G_B_]

might be wise to try out Shanker in place of Jadhav and Pandya

 

try the combinations out

[FischerTal]

goli from lagaan bowls better than him

[Sooda]

Can Deepak Hooda be the 6th bowler who can bat at 7 ??

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

Or Loch Ness Monster (Nessie). I think Nessies (genuine allrounders) are extremely uncommon in cricket, but I believe they do exist.

Come on , Nessie does exist. I can make you a believer too. Do you know what is the largest export from Scotland. The answer lies in that.

 

Jokes apart sports are tough. Your body cannot handle no more than six hrs of intense workout. You can either learn to bat or bowl. Both at that level is not sustainable.

Edited February 4, 2018 by Khota

[maniac]

In hindsight his 93 looks like one of those fluky knocks  like Shamis 50 in England etc or one of those countless once in a blue moon  counterattacking knocks by tailenders  throughout the history of test cricket....Had he been out due to some great bowling by opposition would have given the benefit of doubt but some of his dismissals after the 93 have been shameful to say the least..not worthy of a number 6.

 

As I have said countless times, he needs to be in the side as a specialist who can provide option in the other skill...becoming a passenger fast.