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On 5/6/2019 at 4:23 AM, Gollum said:

 

That's because Sansa took inspiration from Littlefinger and decided to get rich by starting a coffee chain business empire. As others have noted, it should be called Starkbucks not Starbucks.

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1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Was this like the repeat of "Berlin" as WWII ended? Needless killing & in more ways than one Russia+the Allies outdid German carnage, except for the Holocaust.

Killings are always needless, still they happen. Same case here.  She turned out to be her father. Genes didn't betray her.  She turned out to be grayest of them all.

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32 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Everytime i think this was the worst episode , it beats the previous one 

New low

 

I get it u wanna say humans are worse then night king, war is ugly.........but u cant end the character arcs like that 

I loved it, probably best episode ever of GOT.

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24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Jaise aapko zero achi lagi. 

It was a good film n i can debate over it.....but i understand why ppl didnt like it to 

Their were many good films like rockstar, LSD which ppl didnt like at that point but will gain its audience over the year.....same will happen with zero

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

This was the only episode I liked this season. It was a poetic culmination. 

what poetic culmination they threw all the arcs out of window 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

It was a good film n i can debate over it.....but i understand why ppl didnt like it to 

Their were many good films like rockstar, LSD which ppl didnt like at that point but will gain its audience over the year.....same will happen with zero

what poetic culmination they threw all the arcs out of window 

But I liked rockstar. It is one of the best Hindi film of this decade. also what are you are talking about? When there is tsunami, everything goes awry. Here fire came as tsunami instead of water.  

 

Regarding zero, even the creative producer of color yellow who I know pretty well has accepted, Zero was an epic disaster from their part and you are defending it.

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54 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

But I liked rockstar. It is one of the best Hindi film of this decade. also what are you are talking about? When there is tsunami, everything goes awry. Here fire came as tsunami instead of water.  

rockstar at its time went over ppl head due to its structuring 

54 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

Regarding zero, even the creative producer of color yellow who I know pretty well has accepted, Zero was an epic disaster from their part and you are defending it.

disaster at box office.....and a humble person wud accept it didnt work and they shud . Much better then producer who are in losses yet they throw success parties.  If u read above i wrote that i understood why didnt work. They wanted to make a fanatsy genre film but his setting has always been very real which didnt work.....anand L rai did the same with ranjhana 2nd half but people still beared it coz it never moved on to fantasy . Good film doesnt mean it ll work, they accepted it was a disaster and producer at the end is answerable to his financer so he has to make sure he chooses something that gets the returns. 

 

Andaz apna apna was a disastor at its time....so was mera naam joker , even rockstar, rocket singh, luck by chance which were beautiful films that bombed

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

rockstar at its time went over ppl head due to its structuring 

disaster at box office.....and a humble person wud accept it didnt work and they shud . Much better then producer who are in losses yet they throw success parties.  If u read above i wrote that i understood why didnt work. They wanted to make a fanatsy genre film but his setting has always been very real which didnt work.....anand L rai did the same with ranjhana 2nd half but people still beared it coz it never moved on to fantasy . Good film doesnt mean it ll work, they accepted it was a disaster and producer at the end is answerable to his financer so he has to make sure he chooses something that gets the returns. 

 

Andaz apna apna was a disastor at its time....so was mera naam joker , even rockstar, rocket singh, luck by chance which were beautiful films that bombed

 

 

He said disaster not by box office but in film making aspects.

 

Also, Rockstar wasn't a flop.

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7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Show has gone full retard now, what a farce !!!!

they totally threw careful character development and arcs into the dust bin.. Jamie/Danarys/Cerci etc clegane bowl was good and the solid end to Sandor with his father moment and sign off with Aarya and his final desperate killing of his brother, that's a good end. 

 

Jamie no redemption - danny mad queen - cercei is not a super villan just gets squashed under some stones and dies like a lover with jamie lol. why build them up then?  poor episode. 

 

they had other legit ways, under power drogon make cercei harder to kill, make danny and john estranged in the process of killing cercei, give cercei a good villans death. No they did not want to do it, they cant satisfy audience they have to be better than that they will be oh so different wow, they wont satisfy audience since they are artistic superior etc. scum fell to their own hype.  GoT was supposed to have a lot of spinoffs i am sure they will have an impact. 

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10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Killings are always needless, still they happen. Same case here.  She turned out to be her father. Genes didn't betray her.  She turned out to be grayest of them all.

everyone turned out as their weakness.

 

Jamie - loves Cersei the most and does everything for her right or wrong. Danny - is her fathers daughter and gets mad when she finds no love in Westeros , John - always is honourable but has questionable judgement. 

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6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

rockstar at its time went over ppl head due to its structuring 

disaster at box office.....and a humble person wud accept it didnt work and they shud . Much better then producer who are in losses yet they throw success parties.  If u read above i wrote that i understood why didnt work. They wanted to make a fanatsy genre film but his setting has always been very real which didnt work.....anand L rai did the same with ranjhana 2nd half but people still beared it coz it never moved on to fantasy . Good film doesnt mean it ll work, they accepted it was a disaster and producer at the end is answerable to his financer so he has to make sure he chooses something that gets the returns. 

This is a call u have to take as a film maker that what tone u use.....which can lead a film to result 

As ppl as k here why are most films loud....coz a film making decision is taken keeping audience in mind that it wud appeal to most 

 

Tone of the film is a film making call and they took 2 tones for one film which made it inconsistent hence disaster 

 

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Also, Rockstar wasn't a flop.

Rockstar was a flop , it didnt cover its huge cost....

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You guys have over expectations on things. Every good fantasy story needs a satisfactory ending. May be GOT guys got the expectations so high with all the twists and turns throughout the seasons that even when the final season is all about tying lose ends to give a satisfactory close, people want to over complicate things.

 

This has been decent so far and the creators are building towards a logical and satisfactory conclusion.

 

The background score, and graphics have been ATG level already. Acting has been alright.

 

From all the crap we get from both Bollywood and even Hollywood, this is leagues ahead still. Aur Chahte kya ho @Ankit_sharma03 bhai ?

 

Red chilies graphics ko GOT ka contract nahi mila kya?

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15 minutes ago, maniac said:

The background score, and graphics have been ATG level already. Acting has been alright.

No denying visual n soundtracks are brilliant but its failing big time when it comes to writing

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From all the crap we get from both Bollywood and even Hollywood, this is leagues ahead still. Aur Chahte kya ho @Ankit_sharma03 bhai ?

Ofcourse it ....but why compare to other ...it doesnt even stand on it own comparison 

We all fell in love with show coz it was brilliant ....not becoz others are good or bad

 

If we keep this mindset we shud start accepting avg products . We can accept mediocrity from bollywood in VFX coz of lack of budget but story telling has no excuse . GOT was rich in content till it had GRRM books to go with post that these writer didnt have much to contribute and are fcking up big time

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Red chilies graphics ko GOT ka contract nahi mila kya?

mujhe uss se kya 

For a sec chalo even u make some stupid theory of red chillies not getting contract making me sad.......most of its regular viewers are unhappy....unko kya 

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41 minutes ago, maniac said:

You guys have over expectations on things. Every good fantasy story needs a satisfactory ending. May be GOT guys got the expectations so high with all the twists and turns throughout the seasons that even when the final season is all about tying lose ends to give a satisfactory close, people want to over complicate things.

 

This has been decent so far and the creators are building towards a logical and satisfactory conclusion.

 

The background score, and graphics have been ATG level already. Acting has been alright.

 

From all the crap we get from both Bollywood and even Hollywood, this is leagues ahead still. Aur Chahte kya ho @Ankit_sharma03 bhai ?

 

Red chilies graphics ko GOT ka contract nahi mila kya?

I think people are major disappointed because you can notice a precipetous decline in quality of story-telling, character arcs and basic realism in the show since D&D took over the writing and went ahead of GRRM. Its like watching Tendulkar's last year in international cricket: it sucked. Yes, the few cover drives and pulls he played looked brilliant, just like the graphics on the show, but this show is a pale shadow of itself.

 

Mostly because D&D are proving that they are not good historical fiction writers. 

 

Take for eg. the whole Missandei capture angle or the Yarra + theon + dorne chicks ambushed by Euron angle. This is so, so lame.  Remember Stannis and the battle of KL ? Tyrion provided the biggest blast in history of westeros and Stannis didn't just flat out die. Why ? because in every single naval battle known to man - from Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, to Cholas, Brits, Japs,Americans, the one consistent rule of thumb is - the admiral of the fleet sails in the middle or the end of the fleet. NEVER EVER in the lead ship. GRRM knew this. This is why Tryrion could blow up half of Stannis's fleet and not have Stannis die. D&D are clueless. This is why the first shot punches a hole in the ship carrying the most valuable cargo ( the leaders!) in not just 1 but two naval battles.

 

There are so so many glaring plot holes in the last two seasons, especially this one, that its not funny. Whereas GRRM hooked us on this show due to amazing plot consistency, psychology of characters that make sense and a total ruthlessness of the medieval world that the soft western countries have so far forgotten.

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXmQN7rPq8A

 

see this scene between jamie n joffery....the build up to jamie doing something in the end and having fill up those pages and this is how jamie dies 

 

Or when jamie sees cersai post her wildfire episode , he sees the mad king in her....and the conflict arises again that can he be the mad king slayer again and this time its his love 

 

So much to play with and this how u 2 of ur main characters 

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Even the fcking stupidity when arya killed night king, they never even collided ...neither arya had much to do with night kind story line ....it was mostly jon n bran...

 

D&D just did it to surprise audience, they are writing with a thought that what will audience think and doing the opposite. GRRM in one of his interviews has said he never watches audience reaction much as it affects his writing as if audience figures out let them....well done. They didnt make L+R = arya coz ppl were predicted ages ago that it wud be jon snow and it still landed perfectly 

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Spoiler for last episode. Don’t read if you want the suspense.

 

 

Tyrion will be thrown in jail not killed. Jon snow kills Danny ala bahubali style. Then the series ends with the council meeting of Bran, Davos, Tryrion.

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6 hours ago, Vilander said:

they totally threw careful character development and arcs into the dust bin.. Jamie/Danarys/Cerci etc clegane bowl was good and the solid end to Sandor with his father moment and sign off with Aarya and his final desperate killing of his brother, that's a good end. 

 

Jamie no redemption - danny mad queen - cercei is not a super villan just gets squashed under some stones and dies like a lover with jamie lol. why build them up then?  poor episode. 

 

they had other legit ways, under power drogon make cercei harder to kill, make danny and john estranged in the process of killing cercei, give cercei a good villans death. No they did not want to do it, they cant satisfy audience they have to be better than that they will be oh so different wow, they wont satisfy audience since they are artistic superior etc. scum fell to their own hype.  GoT was supposed to have a lot of spinoffs i am sure they will have an impact. 

Lol

Most of what i wrote. Better written.

 

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/pajajk/game-of-thrones-ruined-nearly-every-character

 

Such a disaster.

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1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Lol

Most of what i wrote. Better written.

 

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/pajajk/game-of-thrones-ruined-nearly-every-character

 

Such a disaster.

There are some problems with this analysis:

 

1. Danerys has ALWAYS been the mad queen. She either lacked the ability or was always tempered by her advisors to act against her instinct. The clues throughout the series is numerous: when she is denied entry into Qarth, she promptly declares she will burn it to the ground when her dragons are big. She commands a toddler Drogon to torch all of Astapor and her specific first action command to the Unsullied is to 'kill the masters'. Masters were a class of people, not just the guy who owned a slave. Saying 'kill the masters' is no different than saying 'kill the nobles' or 'kill the merchants'. She indiscriminately kills the masters of Mereen, it even gets pointed out by one wistful slave that he had it better under his 'benevolent masters' than the 'new reality' and not all masters were cruel tyrants.

When she returns with Drogon while Mereen is under seige, she promptly declares that she will torch the fleet outside and then go to the cities of Astapor, Yunkai and Vonlantis, turning them to dust. She even has this convo with Jon Snow the last season when he goes ' burning cities...its more of the same'. 

 

She's always had the genocidal streak in her - this time, it went over the edge because : a) she saw her bff get her head lopped off b) the only advisor she completely respected and trusted, died (Jorah), another one she had good respect for, betrayed her ( Varys) and the other is batting at 0-10 in the last ten major decisions he's made (Tyrion) c) she has blue balls from not getting laid anymore by Jon.

 

2. He criticizes Jamie's love for Cercei as unreasonable, but love, in most cases, is unreasonable. If anybody embodies the unreasonable, unquestioned love for all nine seasons, its Jamie Lannister. Him leaving Breanne makes perfect sense - he knows that his love for Cercei is unreasonable, she doesn't deserve it and he tried it all to break up with her : walked out, slept with another woman, etc. etc. But at the end of the day, he embraces what he is and gets back to Cercei for it - makes perfect sense in reality actually. 

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57 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

There are some problems with this analysis:

 

1. Danerys has ALWAYS been the mad queen. She either lacked the ability or was always tempered by her advisors to act against her instinct. The clues throughout the series is numerous: when she is denied entry into Qarth, she promptly declares she will burn it to the ground when her dragons are big. She commands a toddler Drogon to torch all of Astapor and her specific first action command to the Unsullied is to 'kill the masters'. Masters were a class of people, not just the guy who owned a slave. Saying 'kill the masters' is no different than saying 'kill the nobles' or 'kill the merchants'. She indiscriminately kills the masters of Mereen, it even gets pointed out by one wistful slave that he had it better under his 'benevolent masters' than the 'new reality' and not all masters were cruel tyrants.

When she returns with Drogon while Mereen is under seige, she promptly declares that she will torch the fleet outside and then go to the cities of Astapor, Yunkai and Vonlantis, turning them to dust. She even has this convo with Jon Snow the last season when he goes ' burning cities...its more of the same'. 

 

She's always had the genocidal streak in her - this time, it went over the edge because : a) she saw her bff get her head lopped off b) the only advisor she completely respected and trusted, died (Jorah), another one she had good respect for, betrayed her ( Varys) and the other is batting at 0-10 in the last ten major decisions he's made (Tyrion) c) she has blue balls from not getting laid anymore by Jon.

 

2. He criticizes Jamie's love for Cercei as unreasonable, but love, in most cases, is unreasonable. If anybody embodies the unreasonable, unquestioned love for all nine seasons, its Jamie Lannister. Him leaving Breanne makes perfect sense - he knows that his love for Cercei is unreasonable, she doesn't deserve it and he tried it all to break up with her : walked out, slept with another woman, etc. etc. But at the end of the day, he embraces what he is and gets back to Cercei for it - makes perfect sense in reality actually. 

well yeah, you can argue with logic anyway, they are just characters 

 

all characters played to their ultimate flaw. danny - mad queen, jamie - blinded by his incestuous love , cercei - just a mother who can go to any length , but Danny is just not a probable villain based on 7 seasons of being hero, jamie character arc was just wasted, Arya lol all her training by faceless she could just go back without killing cercei or trying to get to her goal.

 

Danny i believe was most wasted, second Aarya and then jamie, just wanting to close the story after creative ran out of source content, no more ability to build character - they ran 7 seasons worth with real source content and thought they can just finish everything with 1 season of non source content, may be if the author were to write he will close it in 4 more books who knows.

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

There are some problems with this analysis:

 

1. Danerys has ALWAYS been the mad queen. She either lacked the ability or was always tempered by her advisors to act against her instinct. The clues throughout the series is numerous: when she is denied entry into Qarth, she promptly declares she will burn it to the ground when her dragons are big. She commands a toddler Drogon to torch all of Astapor and her specific first action command to the Unsullied is to 'kill the masters'. Masters were a class of people, not just the guy who owned a slave. Saying 'kill the masters' is no different than saying 'kill the nobles' or 'kill the merchants'. She indiscriminately kills the masters of Mereen, it even gets pointed out by one wistful slave that he had it better under his 'benevolent masters' than the 'new reality' and not all masters were cruel tyrants.

When she returns with Drogon while Mereen is under seige, she promptly declares that she will torch the fleet outside and then go to the cities of Astapor, Yunkai and Vonlantis, turning them to dust. She even has this convo with Jon Snow the last season when he goes ' burning cities...its more of the same'. 

 

She's always had the genocidal streak in her - this time, it went over the edge because : a) she saw her bff get her head lopped off b) the only advisor she completely respected and trusted, died (Jorah), another one she had good respect for, betrayed her ( Varys) and the other is batting at 0-10 in the last ten major decisions he's made (Tyrion) c) she has blue balls from not getting laid anymore by Jon.

 

2. He criticizes Jamie's love for Cercei as unreasonable, but love, in most cases, is unreasonable. If anybody embodies the unreasonable, unquestioned love for all nine seasons, its Jamie Lannister. Him leaving Breanne makes perfect sense - he knows that his love for Cercei is unreasonable, she doesn't deserve it and he tried it all to break up with her : walked out, slept with another woman, etc. etc. But at the end of the day, he embraces what he is and gets back to Cercei for it - makes perfect sense in reality actually. 

Pretty good analysis. I didn't see anything wrong in how the episode panned out. It sticks to the true spirit of GOT. In GOT universe, there is nothing black and white. Many people didn't like it because Danny was made into villain and how Cercei and Jamie story ended but there was no better end than this. People were expecting Jamie to kill Cercei when he left winterfell which didn't happen.

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38 minutes ago, Vilander said:

well yeah, you can argue with logic anyway, they are just characters 

 

all characters played to their ultimate flaw. danny - mad queen, jamie - blinded by his incestuous love , cercei - just a mother who can go to any length , but Danny is just not a probable villain based on 7 seasons of being hero, jamie character arc was just wasted, Arya lol all her training by faceless she could just go back without killing cercei or trying to get to her goal.

 

Danny i believe was most wasted, second Aarya and then jamie, just wanting to close the story after creative ran out of source content, no more ability to build character - they ran 7 seasons worth with real source content and thought they can just finish everything with 1 season of non source content, may be if the author were to write he will close it in 4 more books who knows.

1. Cercei absolutely did not act in a way a mother hell bent to do what it takes to give her kids the best future. She acted like Cercei always has - vindictive, unbending and ruthless. All the while being decent at strategy but completely clueless tactically. 

 

2. The whole 'Dany the savior' is an angle only bought by the freed slaves. Most of whom had no qualms about murdering an entire class of people - the masters. This angle is actually the classic example of 'optics' by politicians - who will use an optically good looking angle or play into it as long as their interests re not compromised. Danny does this too. She is the classic example of 'lets be the savior and i the good guy when things go my way but turn into a total megalomaniac psychopath when they don't. She's done this right from season1 when she threatened to burn down Qarth for them not letting her in initially. 

 

3. Arya angle too makes sense - once the city started to crumble, she is justified in questioning her line of attack and going ' da fuq will i get out of here ?'. Sandor made her see that. 

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20 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pretty good analysis. I didn't see anything wrong in how the episode panned out. It sticks to the true spirit of GOT. In GOT universe, there is nothing black and white. Many people didn't like it because Danny was made into villain and how Cercei and Jamie story ended but there was no better end than this. People were expecting Jamie to kill Cercei when he left winterfell which didn't happen.

Not really. I expected Jamie to either do something evil for Cersei one last time or both dying together for love. No way he was going to kill her 

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2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

My man rkt bhai :yay:never disappoints, :hatsoff:to your consistency. 

 

I agree with him. This season has been fine. Not as bad as people are making it out to be.

 

I would like to hear people coming up with alternatives of how some things should have panned out then whining and complaining.

 

The coffee cup goof is bothering me though. That is something that should happen on a Set if a C Grade Bhojpuri film not Frickin game of thrones

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36 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pretty good analysis. I didn't see anything wrong in how the episode panned out. It sticks to the true spirit of GOT. In GOT universe, there is nothing black and white. Many people didn't like it because Danny was made into villain and how Cercei and Jamie story ended but there was no better end than this. People were expecting Jamie to kill Cercei when he left winterfell which didn't happen.

Yeah but i am hating this season right now. Last episode was so-so mostly because i still cannot reconcile how Drogon went from ' cr@p they shot my brother, imma GTFO now' to ' divebomb in middle of the same bloody fleet + take on an entire ring wall of ballistas + evade x1million' inside of just 2-3 days. 

 

Like show-writers, make up your mind: are dragons OP or are dragons killable by an oversized arrow ? or at the very least, plan it ahead with simple considerations like making Drogon 2x bigger than the other two dragons. 

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1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Yeah but i am hating this season right now. Last episode was so-so mostly because i still cannot reconcile how Drogon went from ' cr@p they shot my brother, imma GTFO now' to ' divebomb in middle of the same bloody fleet + take on an entire ring wall of ballistas + evade x1million' inside of just 2-3 days. 

 

Like show-writers, make up your mind: are dragons OP or are dragons killable by an oversized arrow ? or at the very least, plan it ahead with simple considerations like making Drogon 2x bigger than the other two dragons. 

Let’s see

 

John Snow- he has been set up as a goody goody hero warrior right from the start- so nothing unusual here

 

Cersei- Jamie- them dying together is a perfect end. Couldn’t have happened any other way.

 

Theon- one of the best written characters in TV history ignoring the books of course.

 

Sansa- from a meek bimbo to a strong queen who stands for herself Learning to play the political game.

 

Arya- her character has gone all over the place for many seasons now

 

The Hound- perfect end

 

I agree that Tyrion has been screwed up. For being the most intelligent person in the world, has screwed up and had bad judgement too many times.

 

Varys- should have had more depth in the last 2-3 seasons

 

Ser Jorah- again no better way to kill him off.

 

Danerys- character evolved perfectly before she snapped

 

Night king- went phuss but he had to die.

 

Overall what has been a let down? I see more wins here

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21 minutes ago, maniac said:

I agree with him. This season has been fine. Not as bad as people are making it out to be.

 

I would like to hear people coming up with alternatives of how some things should have panned out then whining and complaining.

 

The coffee cup goof is bothering me though. That is something that should happen on a Set if a C Grade Bhojpuri film not Frickin game of thrones

Few things make this season so horrible:

 

1. One of the things this show really suffers from, is devaluation of some characters. Tyrion going from a very competent 'acting hand' in first three seasons, to 'total nincompoop' is inexplicable. Like did the guy get hit too much in the head and lose some brain cells or something ? Tyrion from 3 seasons ago would not have made 90% of the judgement errors he has this season or last. Like his ability to read people went from 'worldclass poker champ level' to ' university activist hippie with zero life experiences'. This is disconcerting.

 

2. Jon never ever learns. Like wtf. He went ' Ruaaaaaaaaaaaa' to Ramsey when his bro got shot and if it wasn't for Sir Davos's quick actions to back him up with all his cavalry, Battle of the Bastards would've been over in 5 min and Jon would be hacked to so many pieces not even Melissandre could bring him back. So what does he do next ? He  goes ' ruaaaaaaaaaa' and charges the night king. In midst of enough piles of bodies to make Varanasi's samshaan ghaats fully booked for an entire year. After he's seen the night king just move his hands and re-animate the dead. So what does the night king do ? he moves his hand and re-animates the dead.....to give 1 million dead things to stop Jon from getting to him. Like wtf jon. You = a moron who never learns. 

 

3.  The battle plans are TERRIBLE. Like i already mentioned how much of a fail the navy battles are - if your admiral dies in the first volley or his ship implodes, its like you made your horse trainer the admiral or something as daft. Now look at the winterfell battle or the kings landing battle. 

WTF army ever goes ' i have a nice high strong wall to seperate me from the enemy. But screw that, imma gonna stand outside the wall and fight the enemy. Who outnumbers us. Or has dragons. or outclasses us' ???? Like....USE YOUR WALLS. Jon, you did this vs the wildlings of Mance, it worked. 

Not to mention, which daft idiot thought it'd make sense for the army of the living, outnumbered 10 to 1, to go ' hey horse guys- go ahead, charge, we will wait and see how you deal with 50:1 odds and cheer u on' ?!? Also, which daft punk thought it would make sense for the trebouchets- which can shoot like 1km away - to fire AFTER the horses charge ? Why the heck are the trebouchets OUTSIDE the wall and not inside !?! 

Like battle of winterfell + battle of kings landing gets 0/10 in terms of making sense as a battle. Its like Robert Arryn made the battle plans while going on ' can i make the night king fly' rants every 5 minutes. 

 

4. Cercei + Dany negotiation. Like...wtf ? Danny shows up with 50 soldiers, stands 100m from the gate and cercei does not just let the entire golden company rush this sorry bunch and end the war right there ? Or fire her ballistas ? Or shoot her lil bro, someone she's hated since he was born, tried her best to get him killed for allegedly poisoning her son and sending an assassin after him 3 weeks ago ?!? 

This last few seasons have not only dulled the character arcs - which i can live with, as the show writers arn't sitting all day thinking of character nuances for years on end- they've also made the realism of the warfare and strategy/tactics angle look super bad. 

 

Edited by Muloghonto

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5. Lame explanations to major plot devices. Like the Night King coming after Bran. 'He wants to end this world and i am its living memory'. ?!??? SERIOUSLY ? So far, the Night King is rivaled only by Tywin, Rob and Stannis in terms of strategic and tactical solidity. He does not over-commit, he drives home his advantage and he knows exactly where to ambush whom. So he is gonna risk it all by coming to personally kill Bran because 'bran is the memory' ? before all the other living things are dead ? Makes ZERO sense.


All the show has to do, is to point out how the night king made the white walkers - BY TOUCHING THEM. Now imagine a powerful warg + 3 eyed raven (Bran) as a white walker. he becomes almost as valuable to the night king, if not more, than a zombie dragon. THIS MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE and it would make it why the night king has to be PERSONALLY there to touch Bran, instead of sending just 1 million zombies to kill him. 

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4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Two things make this season so horrible:

 

1. One of the things this show really suffers from, is devaluation of some characters. Tyrion going from a very competent 'acting hand' in first three seasons, to 'total nincompoop' is inexplicable. Like did the guy get hit too much in the head and lose some brain cells or something ? Tyrion from 3 seasons ago would not have made 90% of the judgement errors he has this season or last. Like his ability to read people went from 'worldclass poker champ level' to ' university activist hippie with zero life experiences'. This is disconcerting.

 

2. Jon never ever learns. Like wtf. He went ' Ruaaaaaaaaaaaa' to Ramsey when his bro got shot and if it wasn't for Sir Davos's quick actions to back him up with all his cavalry, Battle of the Bastards would've been over in 5 min and Jon would be hacked to so many pieces not even Melissandre could bring him back. So what does he do next ? He  goes ' ruaaaaaaaaaa' and charges the night king. In midst of enough piles of bodies to make Varanasi's samshaan ghaats fully booked for an entire year. After he's seen the night king just move his hands and re-animate the dead. So what does the night king do ? he moves his hand and re-animates the dead.....to give 1 million dead things to stop Jon from getting to him. Like wtf jon. You = a moron who never learns. 

 

3.  The battle plans are TERRIBLE. Like i already mentioned how much of a fail the navy battles are - if your admiral dies in the first volley or his ship implodes, its like you made your horse trainer the admiral or something as daft. Now look at the winterfell battle or the kings landing battle. 

WTF army ever goes ' i have a nice high strong wall to seperate me from the enemy. But screw that, imma gonna stand outside the wall and fight the enemy. Who outnumbers us. Or has dragons. or outclasses us' ???? Like....USE YOUR WALLS. Jon, you did this vs the wildlings of Mance, it worked. 

Not to mention, which daft idiot thought it'd make sense for the army of the living, outnumbered 10 to 1, to go ' hey horse guys- go ahead, charge, we will wait and see how you deal with 50:1 odds and cheer u on' ?!? Also, which daft punk thought it would make sense for the trebouchets- which can shoot like 1km away - to fire AFTER the horses charge ? Why the heck are the trebouchets OUTSIDE the wall and not inside !?! 

Like battle of winterfell + battle of kings landing gets 0/10 in terms of making sense as a battle. Its like Robert Arryn made the battle plans while going on ' can i make the night king fly' rants every 5 minutes. 

 

4. Cercei + Dany negotiation. Like...wtf ? Danny shows up with 50 soldiers, stands 100m from the gate and cercei does not just let the entire golden company rush this sorry bunch and end the war right there ? Or fire her ballistas ? Or shoot her lil bro, someone she's hated since he was born, tried her best to get him killed for allegedly poisoning her son and sending an assassin after him 3 weeks ago ?!? 

This last few seasons have not only dulled the character arcs - which i can live with, as the show writers arn't sitting all day thinking of character nuances for years on end- they've also made the realism of the warfare and strategy/tactics angle look super bad. 

 

Well if you put it that way :hmmmm2:

 

anyway I think they planned out how to end the story arc of each character in advance and I think the over all the character arc on paper looks good.

 

Among all the guys who died so far

 

Ser Jorah, The red woman, Benedict, Hound, Cersei,Jamie and Theon on paper had the perfect arc.

 

The one’s that felt under cooked are Varys and Night King.

 

May be the execution in getting there felt underwhelming is that right?

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