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1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

I wasn't expecting that music lol.

 

Craig's movies have the pattern of good bad good bad, I'm hoping this one is a good one after the disappointment of Spectre.

Many of the Bond films tend to fluctuate b/w relatively serious ones and all out entertainers to cater to a variety of tastes. As a Bond fan, I have read books and comics, listened to audiobooks, and of course watched the films. They are all good. No Time to Die is expected to pick the story  from Spectre 

 

 

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The problem i have with daniel craig james bond movies is that the plots have become so intricate and convoluted spanning multiple movies.

 

I remember going to specture and being on wikipedia half to the time as the film linked back to skyfall and quantum of solace etc.

 

There have been some epic scenes such as the day of the dead scene in mexico city. That is the saving grace.

 

But i just miss the time of relatively stand aline clear plot of pierce brosnan era

 

I call this intricate multi movie plot linking the nolan effect

 

 

 

 

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On 10/7/2019 at 3:05 PM, G_B_ said:

The problem i have with daniel craig james bond movies is that the plots have become so intricate and convoluted spanning multiple movies.

 

I remember going to specture and being on wikipedia half to the time as the film linked back to skyfall and quantum of solace etc.

 

There have been some epic scenes such as the day of the dead scene in mexico city. That is the saving grace.

 

But i just miss the time of relatively stand aline clear plot of pierce brosnan era

 

I call this intricate multi movie plot linking the nolan effect

I guess, Bond films have had to reinvent for the 21st century audiences .... Besides the opening sequence, I liked the plots in Austria (Dr. Swann's introduction) and Morocco (had some beautifully shot sequences that looked good on screen) as well (the twin locations were earlier used in TLD) 

 

As for the linking of plots, that happens in original Bond novels too for e.g. OHMSS, YOLT, and TMWTGG. TB, OHMSS, and YOLT are considered as SPECTRE trilogy. Bond battled SMERSH, the Russian Secret Service, operatives in many of his books. And in earlier films too for e.g. Dr No is a SPECTRE operative in the first film, who is to be avenged in FRWL (In the book, the events in DRNO follow after FRWL, where SMERSH is used instead of SPECTRE :lol: ) .... Sean Connery's YOLT and DAF are linked, relatively speaking, as well as after Blofeld escapes at the end of YOLT, Bond pursues him at the beginning of DAF 

 

 

 

 

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Caribbean as a location works well in both Bond films and Fleming's books. No Time to Die is shot in Caribbean too so I hope the parts are interesting :drool:

 

Bond in Caribbean:

Films: DRNO, TB, LALD, OP (pre title sequence), GE, DAD, CR, and now NTTD 

Books (full length novels): LALD, DRNO, TB, and TMWTGG 

 

 

PS Trailer of the 1st film:

 

 

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Highest Grossing Bond Films

Position Film Year Actor Gross (with inflation)
1. Skyfall 2012 Daniel Craig $1,108,561,008
2. Thunderball 1965 Sean Connery $1,014,941,117
3. Goldfinger 1964 Sean Connery $912,257,512
4. Spectre 2015 Daniel Craig $880,669,186
5. Live and Let Die 1973 Roger Moore $825,110,761
6. You Only Live Twice 1967 Sean Connery $756,544,419
7. The Spy Who Loved Me 1977 Roger Moore $692,713,752
8. Casino Royale 2006 Daniel Craig $669,789,482
9. Moonraker 1979 Roger Moore $655,872,400
10. Diamonds Are Forever 1971 Sean Connery $648,514,469
11. Quantum of Solace 2008 Daniel Craig $622,246,378
12. From Russia with Love 1963 Sean Connery $576,277,964
13. Die Another Day 2002 Pierce Brosnan $543,639,638
14. Goldeneye 1995 Pierce Brosnan $529,548,711
15. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 1969 George Lazenby $505,899,782
16. The World is Not Enough 1999 Pierce Brosnan $491,617,153
17. For Your Eyes Only 1981 Roger Moore $486,468,881
18. Tomorrow Never Dies 1997 Pierce Brosnan $478,946,402
19. The Man with the Golden Gun 1974 Roger Moore $448,249,281
20. Dr. No 1962 Sean Connery $440,759,072
21. Octopussy 1983 Roger Moore $426,244,352
22. The Living Daylights 1987 Timothy Dalton $381,088,866
23. A View to a Kill 1985 Roger Moore $321,172,633
24. Licence to Kill 1989 Timothy Dalton $285,157,191

 

https://www.007james.com/articles/box_office.php

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Film budgets (unadjusted)

 

Release
Date
Title Production
Budget
Opening
Weekend
Domestic
Box Office
Worldwide
Box Office
Trailer
Apr 8, 2020 No Time to Die          
Nov 6, 2015 Spectre $300,000,000 $70,403,148 $200,074,175 $879,620,923 Play
Nov 8, 2012 Skyfall $200,000,000 $88,364,714 $304,360,277 $1,110,526,981 Play
Nov 14, 2008 Quantum of Solace $230,000,000 $67,528,882 $169,368,427 $591,692,078  
Nov 17, 2006 Casino Royale $102,000,000 $40,833,156 $167,365,000 $594,420,283  
Nov 22, 2002 Die Another Day $142,000,000 $47,072,040 $160,942,139 $431,942,139  
Nov 19, 1999 The World is Not Enough $135,000,000 $35,519,007 $126,930,660 $361,730,660  
Dec 19, 1997 Tomorrow Never Dies $110,000,000 $25,143,007 $125,304,276 $339,504,276  
Nov 17, 1995 Goldeneye $60,000,000 $26,205,007 $106,429,941 $356,429,941  
Jul 14, 1989 Licence to Kill $42,000,000 $8,774,776 $34,667,015 $156,167,015  
Jul 31, 1987 The Living Daylights $40,000,000 $11,051,284 $51,185,000 $191,200,000  
May 24, 1985 A View to a Kill $30,000,000 $13,294,435 $50,327,960 $152,627,960  
Oct 7, 1983 Never Say Never Again $36,000,000 $10,958,157 $55,500,000 $160,000,000  
Jun 10, 1983 Octopussy $27,500,000 $8,902,564 $67,900,000 $187,500,000  
Jun 26, 1981 For Your Eyes Only $28,000,000 $6,834,967 $54,800,000 $195,300,000  
Jun 29, 1979 Moonraker $31,000,000 $7,108,344 $70,300,000 $210,300,000  
Jul 13, 1977 The Spy Who Loved Me $14,000,000 $1,347,927 $46,800,000 $185,400,000  
Dec 20, 1974 The Man with the Golden Gun $7,000,000   $21,000,000 $97,600,000  
Jun 27, 1973 Live and Let Die $7,000,000   $35,400,000 $161,800,000  
Dec 17, 1971 Diamonds Are Forever $7,200,000   $43,800,000 $116,000,000  
Dec 18, 1969 On Her Majesty's Secret Ser… $8,000,000   $22,800,000 $82,000,000  
Jun 13, 1967 You Only Live Twice $9,500,000   $43,100,000 $111,600,000  
Dec 29, 1965 Thunderball $9,000,000   $63,600,000 $141,200,000  
Dec 22, 1964 Goldfinger $3,000,000   $51,100,000 $124,900,000  
Apr 8, 1964 From Russia With Love $2,000,000   $24,800,000 $78,900,000  
May 8, 1963 Dr. No $1,000,000   $16,067,035 $59,567,035  
 
Averages   $63,248,000 $29,333,838 $84,556,876 $283,117,172  
Totals 26 $1,581,200,000   $2,113,921,905 $7,077,929,291

 

 

SP $300M! It is more like a gift to the franchise fans esp. for making SF the most successful (adjusted and unadjusted) Bond film.

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The Daniel Craig Collection (4 films) is coming out in 4K HDR on Oct 22nd. Is anyone planning to get it? 

 

I have all Bond films on BR (Blue Ray) except CR (Casino Royale) and QOS (Quantum of Solace), which are on DVD, so am on the fence on this one as I can look to upgrade CR and QOS or just get the digital ones when the titles come out in 4K HDR (currently available in 4K without HDR on iTunes). Also my favorite ones tend to fall in the first 16 films (1962 to 1989) :hmmm:

 

 

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007 has lost it's appeal since the Bourne franchise or the MI franchise have taken off. It has become very confused in its approach.

 

the dark gritty approach in the Daniel Craig versions have been overshadowed by Bourne.

 

the more ridiculous version of Bond with over the top stunts has been overshadowed by the MI franchise.

 

The only thing left is the brand value. Also Daniel Craig might be a great actor but has the charisma of a dead fish. No way he can compete with previous bonds like Brosnan.Moore and Connery or with guys like Matt Damon and Tom Cruise.

 

The only way Bond can make a comeback is if they go back to their campy over the top origins and try to compete with MI in that regards.

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

The only way Bond can make a comeback is if they go back to their campy over the top origins and try to compete with MI in that regards.

I can see the sentiments as my favorite ones tend to fall in the 1962-1989 era. But the recent films continue to make big money (even when adjusted for inflation) 

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

I can see the sentiments as my favorite ones tend to fall in the 1962-1989 era. But the recent films continue to make big money (even when adjusted for inflation) 

Yes it is the brand value. Can you compare it to other franchises like Bourne or MI. I think the new MI film grossed over a billion and it has a similar premise to Bond.

 

Even some third rate super hero movies make the same money so that can’t be measured as success. A brand name like Bond should make in the same ball park as other big time franchises like Marvel movies, Star Wars franchise or the Fast and Furious films. 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

Yes it is the brand value. Can you compare it to other franchises like Bourne or MI. I think the new MI film grossed over a billion and it has a similar premise to Bond.

 

Even some third rate super hero movies make the same money so that can’t be measured as success. A brand name like Bond should make in the same ball park as other big time franchises like Marvel movies, Star Wars franchise or the Fast and Furious films. 

IIRC, Bond is the longest running franchise, which is now set to release its 25th film. Considering it has churned out so many films and lacks the novelty factor, its revenues are still solid!

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5 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Is the James Bond story even relevant anymore??.  Only liked skyfall and casino royale in the last 2 decades or so. Rest all very forgettable movies. A Lot of other franchisees have zoomed past JB.  MI, Jason bourne etc.

Of course it is relevant esp. for the “fans”. Bond 25 is coming out, and then the franchise is likely to reboot with a new Bond. Jason Bourne has ended iirc, while there is no news on MI’s next instalment. Though I want MI to continue as well

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37 minutes ago, velu said:

We should have bond vs dirty harry vs mi vs Bourne vs John Wick thread :hmm:

Bond and MI have an overlap. JW, out and out stylish action flick,  and DH, hard cop film, are relatively different 

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23 hours ago, velu said:

We should have bond vs dirty harry vs mi vs Bourne vs John Wick thread :hmm:

Finally saw JW3 on the return flight. Not as good as JW1, but definitely better than JW2. Left a lot to be completed by JW4. Good franchise though, a lot of potential like Dead Pool. It beats Jason Bourne in raw action. Dirty Harry is nowhere close to these movies, in action. MI is the best in stunts.

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23 hours ago, zen said:

Bond and MI have an overlap. JW, out and out stylish action flick,  and DH, hard cop film, are relatively different 

Apart from the obvious choice (Connery), who's your 2nd favorite Bond? Bond girl?  I think the old school Bond girls were way, waaay better than the last 20 odd years...

 

 

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On 10/9/2019 at 12:49 PM, zen said:

I guess, Bond films have had to reinvent for the 21st century audiences .... Besides the opening sequence, I liked the plots in Austria (Dr. Swann's introduction) and Morocco (had some beautifully shot sequences that looked good on screen) as well (the twin locations were earlier used in TLD) 

 

As for the linking of plots, that happens in original Bond novels too for e.g. OHMSS, YOLT, and TMWTGG. TB, OHMSS, and YOLT are considered as SPECTRE trilogy. Bond battled SMERSH, the Russian Secret Service, operatives in many of his books. And in earlier films too for e.g. Dr No is a SPECTRE operative in the first film, who is to be avenged in FRWL (In the book, the events in DRNO follow after FRWL, where SMERSH is used instead of SPECTRE :lol: ) .... Sean Connery's YOLT and DAF are linked, relatively speaking, as well as after Blofeld escapes at the end of YOLT, Bond pursues him at the beginning of DAF 

 

 

 

 

Nothing to be compared to the linking of plot lines in QOS, Casino Royale etc. The earlier ones you indicate have common villians/bad guys who are not shown (petting cat etc.) and then revealed, here there are Bond heroines' plots linked across movies. It is damn irritating, having to read Wikipedia after watching the movie to see their linkages. 

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19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Nothing to be compared to the linking of plot lines in QOS, Casino Royale etc. The earlier ones you indicate have common villians/bad guys who are not shown (petting cat etc.) and then revealed, here there are Bond heroines' plots linked across movies. It is damn irritating, having to read Wikipedia after watching the movie to see their linkages. 

All movie 'franchises' now want to make their movies part of a "Universe".  If I wanted to watch multi-episode story, there's TV for that.  A movie should not be *ing episodic.  

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

James Bond, John Wick, MI, Bourne series, MCU etc are like T20 matches, good for time pass but I don't remember much the next day. 

 

animal lovers and humanists will never forget JW..

i have this T

 

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Apart from the obvious choice (Connery), who's your 2nd favorite Bond? Bond girl?  I think the old school Bond girls were way, waaay better than the last 20 odd years...

I like all Bond actors. In terms of style, there are 3 distinct ones - Connery, Moore, and Dalton. Lazenby just did one film but since I like OHMSS, he has grown on me. Brosnan tried to combine elements of Connery and Moore, while Craig is a continuation of Dalton, who was ahead of his time. If I have to pick two, it would be the two legendary Bonds - Connery and Moore. 

 

As for Bond girl characters, in the order of release:

  • Pussy Galore (GF)
  • Fiona, the henchwoman (TB)
  • Tracy (OHMSS)
  • Solitaire (LALD)
  • Agent XXX (TSWLM) 
  • Octopussy 
  • Elektra (TWINE) 

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36 minutes ago, zen said:

I like all Bond actors. In terms of style, there are 3 distinct ones - Connery, Moore, and Dalton. Lazenby just did one film but since I like OHMSS, he has grown on me. Brosnan tried to combine elements of Connery and Moore, while Craig is a continuation of Dalton, who was ahead of his time. If I have to pick two, it would be the two legendary Bonds - Connery and Moore. 

 

As for Bond girl characters, in the order of release:

  • Pussy Galore (GF)
  • Fiona, the henchwoman (TB)
  • Tracy (OHMSS)
  • Solitaire (LALD)
  • Agent XXX (TSWLM) 
  • Octopussy 
  • Elektra (TWINE) 

Pussy Galore :hysterical: If they name such a name now, all feminazi warriors will be all over them crying about objectifying women (rightfully so!)

Dalton is the least popular. Connery and Moore were good for their times, but they are not timeless, they don't grow with time like say Clint Eastwood. With the modern version, ruled out of comparison, Brosnan was v good as good as the first two. The best bond girl (they don't age with time):

 

Ursula Andress (Dr No)

Tanya Roberts (A View to a kill)

The one in TWINE

 

The worst is Hally Berry. 

 

 

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The name alone merits a place in a top 5 list :orderorder:  .... in the film, the character is strong and helps to save 1000s of lives after Bond's unsuccessful attempt 

 

 

PS

 

 

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14 hours ago, Stan AF said:

why april?. Has any bond movie released in april before??. Normally its november.

This one is delayed because of a variety of reasons. Originally was scheduled for a Nov 2019 release, then Feb 2020, and now April 2020

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4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Nothing to be compared to the linking of plot lines in QOS, Casino Royale etc. The earlier ones you indicate have common villians/bad guys who are not shown (petting cat etc.) and then revealed, here there are Bond heroines' plots linked across movies. It is damn irritating, having to read Wikipedia after watching the movie to see their linkages. 

Read the books: OHMSS-> YOLT .... if possible: TB->OHMSS->YOLT->TMWTGG

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@zen  Since you seem to be a fan of the genre, are you familiar with that french author who writes similar stuff, but even more pot-boiler-y??  And his country-specific intel and research was so good that a lot of his books are famous/infamous for making predictions?

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10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

@zen  Since you seem to be a fan of the genre, are you familiar with that french author who writes similar stuff, but even more pot-boiler-y??  And his country-specific intel and research was so good that a lot of his books are famous/infamous for making predictions?

If you are referring to de Villiers, I have not read his books :((

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