Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[RAZPOR]

18 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

you still need to control the swing otherwise it wont work

You still need to bring the bat in line to hit the ball on flat tracks but no one would make that argument,would they??

Edited September 8, 2017 by RAZPOR

[express bowling]

 

Fond memories   : )

 

 

 

 

[RAZPOR]

3 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

comparatively it is harder to control the swing when it is moving so much than to lay bat on ball in easy batting condition, a better comparison would be with a pitch where the top is going 

Is that an assumption???

On a green wicket batting is 100 % more tougher just like bowling is tough on a flat track.So a wicket is much more likely to come unless you are so incapable even stuart binny is a better bowler than you, in which case you wouldn't make it to the highest level just like a batsman who is not good enough won't make it to the top even for a flat track.

So why the double standards  ???

I dont rate binny's spell in bangladesh as the best ever niether would  i say benstokes taking 6 wickets here makes him a great bowler.

We all saw how english great sir anderson was huffing and puffing in India,when there was no cloud cover and yet he had the audacity to call Kohli out on being a Ftb all the while being nothing else but a green track bully.

 

Its a batsmen's game i know ......so why not rate shami's perfomances in India a notch above others bullying batsmen on tracks like green pastures??

 

Edited September 8, 2017 by RAZPOR

[Mosher]

43 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Fond memories   : )

 

 

 

 

Some more fond memories bro. Check out the ball to get Pollack's wicket at around 2:50. How do you play those? :)

 

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

/\ @Mosher post, I think Javagal Srinath was bowling in 150's in this particular match...

[Vilander]

10 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

green +cloud+floodlight+ duke balls, lot of it comes down to hype and branding ,i was watching one of these skyports prog and ian ward was calling pollock quick ,if pollock was quick so was pk lol

i know lol pollock being quick...125 to 130 makes him quick so is many Indian trundlers.

[express bowling]

BCCI.tv has some wonderful videos --

 

Ishant, with some hostile  and accurate overs in the last 12 months ..... setting up batsmen too.

 

Why can't he bowl more often like this  !!

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4477/ishant-vs-renshaw-that-eventful-over

 

In the above video, he is seen setting up Renshaw with 2 good bouncers and then targeting the off-stump with swinging deliveries.  Pitch is flat.

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3578/when-ishant-sharma-welcomed-dawson-to-test-cricket

 

Hitting Dawson on the helmet on a slow track.

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3553/how-ishant-set-up-jennings

 

Setting up Jennings , with bouncers and good length off-stump balls seaming both ways  ...... and getting him out with a wide " sucker ball "

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4158/shhh-ishant-at-work

 

Showing aggression and getting a LBW with a fast accurate ball.

Edited September 9, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Some BCCI.tv videos on Shami ---

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3404/shami-vs-woakes-a-tale-of-two-bouncers

 

The 2 hostile bouncers to Woakes ..... hits his helmet and then gets him out ..... Gower talking about India having 2 excellent quick bowlers ( Shami and Umesh )

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3349/ind-vs-eng-2016-3rd-test-mohammed-shamis-363

 

3 wickets vs England.... a great bouncer to Moeen, what a jaffa to Rashid ..... pace, bounce and seam movement

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3243/how-shami-set-up-alastair-cook

 

Shami sets up Cook.... 2 deliveries moving away and then one coming in 

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2744/india-vs-nz-2016-2nd-test-mohammed-shamis-346

 

Reverse swing both ways at pace and a good bouncer to win the Kolkata test

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2702/india-vs-nz-2016-2nd-test-day-3-mohammed-shamis-370

 

Reverse swing both ways  at pace

 

 

Edited September 9, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

BCCI.tv videos on Umesh --

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4558/umesh-special-first-the-bouncer-then-the-edge

 

Setting up Renshaw..... first a hostile bouncer, then an off-stump delivery .... Hayden describes it well

 

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4553/bouncers-served-hot-courtesy-umesh-yadav-bhuvneshwar-kumar

 

Hostile bouncers by Umesh and Bhuvi .... Brett Lee excited

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4572/umesh-yadavs-fiery-spell-to-rattle-the-aussies

 

3-fer against Australi ..... very good line and length at pace..... needs to bowl these lines more often.

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4500/umesh-swinging-it-early-in-indias-favour

 

Perfect line, length, swing and pace ..... hitting the proverbial top of off-stump

Edited September 9, 2017 by express bowling

[RAZPOR]

Anderson continues his green track bullying.

[Vk1]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

Some BCCI.tv videos on Shami ---

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3404/shami-vs-woakes-a-tale-of-two-bouncers

 

The 2 hostile bouncers to Woakes ..... hits his helmet and then gets him out ..... Gower talking about India having 2 excellent quick bowlers ( Shami and Umesh )

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3349/ind-vs-eng-2016-3rd-test-mohammed-shamis-363

 

3 wickets vs England.... a great bouncer to Moeen, what a jaffa to Rashid ..... pace, bounce and seam movement

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3243/how-shami-set-up-alastair-cook

 

Shami sets up Cook.... 2 deliveries moving away and then one coming in 

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2744/india-vs-nz-2016-2nd-test-mohammed-shamis-346

 

Reverse swing both ways at pace and a good bouncer to win the Kolkata test

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2702/india-vs-nz-2016-2nd-test-day-3-mohammed-shamis-370

 

Reverse swing both ways  at pace

 

The ball to rashid, how did he do it. Maintaing seam position even after pitching. Is it by fluke or is it an art. Remember watching Sreesanth do that in that famous Durban win. If  Shami manages to play another 50 tests he might join Kapil Srinath and Zak as the best Indian fast bowlers of all time.

[urnotserious]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

BCCI.tv videos on Umesh --

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4558/umesh-special-first-the-bouncer-then-the-edge

 

Setting up Renshaw..... first a hostile bouncer, then an off-stump delivery .... Hayden describes it well

 

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4553/bouncers-served-hot-courtesy-umesh-yadav-bhuvneshwar-kumar

 

Hostile bouncers by Umesh and Bhuvi .... Brett Lee excited

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4572/umesh-yadavs-fiery-spell-to-rattle-the-aussies

 

3-fer against Australi ..... very good line and length at pace..... needs to bowl these lines more often.

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4500/umesh-swinging-it-early-in-indias-favour

 

Perfect line, length, swing and pace ..... hitting the proverbial top of off-stump

Thanks for compiling these and putting them in with some context. Appreciate it!

[vishalvirsingh]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

BCCI.tv videos on Umesh --

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4558/umesh-special-first-the-bouncer-then-the-edge

 

Setting up Renshaw..... first a hostile bouncer, then an off-stump delivery .... Hayden describes it well

 

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4553/bouncers-served-hot-courtesy-umesh-yadav-bhuvneshwar-kumar

 

Hostile bouncers by Umesh and Bhuvi .... Brett Lee excited

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4572/umesh-yadavs-fiery-spell-to-rattle-the-aussies

 

3-fer against Australi ..... very good line and length at pace..... needs to bowl these lines more often.

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4500/umesh-swinging-it-early-in-indias-favour

 

Perfect line, length, swing and pace ..... hitting the proverbial top of off-stump

that bouncer to renshaw by umesh which did not get his wicket but hit him on helmet must be 145k bouncer..umesh rarely bowls that kinda jafa these days...he got renshaw bcos of that ball as he pushed him to the back foot.

[vishalvirsingh]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Some BCCI.tv videos on Shami ---

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3404/shami-vs-woakes-a-tale-of-two-bouncers

 

The 2 hostile bouncers to Woakes ..... hits his helmet and then gets him out ..... Gower talking about India having 2 excellent quick bowlers ( Shami and Umesh )

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3349/ind-vs-eng-2016-3rd-test-mohammed-shamis-363

 

3 wickets vs England.... a great bouncer to Moeen, what a jaffa to Rashid ..... pace, bounce and seam movement

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/3243/how-shami-set-up-alastair-cook

 

Shami sets up Cook.... 2 deliveries moving away and then one coming in 

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2744/india-vs-nz-2016-2nd-test-mohammed-shamis-346

 

Reverse swing both ways at pace and a good bouncer to win the Kolkata test

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/2702/india-vs-nz-2016-2nd-test-day-3-mohammed-shamis-370

 

Reverse swing both ways  at pace

 

 

to woakes- Shammi hit the visor at back of helmet and broke it..woakes was lucky that his head back was saved..very next ball, he gifted his wickets to shammi...that's what dangerous bouncers do..i think it was again a right 144k bouncer on the grill of helmet.

[express bowling]

14 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

that bouncer to renshaw by umesh which did not get his wicket but hit him on helmet must be 145k bouncer..umesh rarely bowls that kinda jafa these days...he got renshaw bcos of that ball as he pushed him to the back foot.

Yes

 

I tried to post as many " setting-up-batsmen "   videos as I could find.

 

Push them to the back-foot by a bouncer and then bowl a fuller one .... move the ball  away and then bring the ball in or vice versa  .... a mixture of  both these.

 

Our pacers are using them with more regularity nowadays while bowling at pace.  I hope they set-up batsmen with more frequency.

[Mosher]

Some guy claiming to be the fastest bowler in India. Another Atul Sharma? What do you guys think?

 

 

[NareshK]

I dont think anybody can deny that Umesh bowled like a dream in Aus series. He probably bowled the best of his career. But the issue is consistency which was not seen in SL tests. Perhaps he was tired during SL series and needed a break but he was mediocre during that series. Let's see how he comes back the next time he plays.

[Mosher]

4 minutes ago, NareshK said:

I dont think anybody can deny that Umesh bowled like a dream in Aus series. He probably bowled the best of his career. But the issue is consistency which was not seen in SL tests. Perhaps he was tired during SL series and needed a break but he was mediocre during that series. Let's see how he comes back the next time he plays.

Umesh bowled consistently well in the NZ and Eng test series too prior to the Aus series. But stats won't reflect that as a lot of catches were dropped off his bowling. So probably he was tired during SL series. Don't know why he is picked for the Aus ODI series. We have better ODI bowlers in Bumrah, Shami and BK. I think he would have been better off playing a few Ranji games to get back in rhythm before the all important SA test series. 

[express bowling]

36 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Some guy claiming to be the fastest bowler in India. Another Atul Sharma? What do you guys think?

 

 

 

Looks sharp for sure.

 

Does he play FC  or List A    ?

[Mosher]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Looks sharp for sure.

 

Does he play FC  or List A    ?

Don't know just came across this video. He claims he is being ignored. Maybe @rkt.india knows more?