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2 hours ago, velu said:

sports facilities are expensive and should not be our priority..

we dont even have proper roads and garbage disposal :giggle:

 

PV sindhu is receiving 20-30 crore , this is too much . and at same time cry babies from other sports keep crying how cricketers receive so much money , ab kya hua

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Wrestling and Boxing Akhadas in Haryana are privately owned ......so is Gopichand academy......Men's Hockey team that qualified ,most of them play leagues abroad correct me fi I am wrong..Bindra was rich and he provided for his own training....I don't think there is any government run organization for Golf-Aditi Ashok ttrained herself ....I beleive track and field and may be Dipa the gymnast where the only ones who used government facilities.

 

I know for a fact that the women's hockey team from India trained in the USA,infact they trained in the town next to where I live in USA.

 

Govt.facilities will not help till actual competent trainers and coaches are either hired or take initiative like Gopichand has done.

 

There was a lot of red-tape involved even in the land that the govt. sanctioned Gopichand for his academy but ...The govt technically did provide the facility.

 

1)Athletes and talent are there but we have coaches and managers who are interested in a vacation than actually doing their job...the marathon runner completed her laps without anyone offering her even water.

 

2)Lack of talent scouting,grooming and focus.....Indian badminton is doing well because Saina,Srikanth,Kashyap and Sindhu all came through a proper system...their talent was identified at a young age and they found the right mentor and good facilities.

 

Let us take the example of BCCI, corrupt and lot of politics involved but they take good care of the cricketers current and former,spend a lot of money where required...but we still are not producing consistent bowlers...so it is not just the money and facilities fro mthe government,you need right people to implement it.

 

 

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Five embarrassing moments for India in Rio

  • Indian boxers were threatened with disqualification after they turned up in shirts which didn't have India's logo - a key requirement at the Games.
  • Sports Minister Vijay Goel was reportedly warned after some of his staff behaved rudely and tried to enter the venues without proper accreditation.
  • The minister received further criticism when he wished luck to Indian sprinter Srabani Nanda, but ended up posting the picture of another athlete, Dutee Chand, with his tweet.
  • The appointment of a radiologist as the chief medical officer of the Indian team in Rio also received criticism. Authorities, however, said that the radiologist, the son of a senior sports official, "knew sports medicine well".
  • Some hockey players complained that they were invited to an official function to celebrate India's Independence Day, but "were only given peanuts to eatinstead of proper dinner".

 

 

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Money should also be directed to Sindhu's training and for the welfare of other shuttlers, not like this.

 

The problem still remains that our kids don't take up sports because parents discourage as it is high risk when it comes to returns. Wonder if the mentality will ever change and funds will ever go to the right people at the right time when it benefits their training for big tournaments.

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1 hour ago, Adi_91 said:

Money should also be directed to Sindhu's training and for the welfare of other shuttlers, not like this.

 

The problem still remains that our kids don't take up sports because parents discourage as it is high risk when it comes to returns. Wonder if the mentality will ever change and funds will ever go to the right people at the right time when it benefits their training for big tournaments.

IIT JEE, CAT, CET, UPSC >>>>> Sports.

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7 minutes ago, MechEng said:

IIT JEE, CAT, CET, UPSC >>>>> Sports.

Not all students do well in these exams. Partly because of disinterest. But our society accepts only Engineers and Doctors!

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^ that is because for generations we have seen scarcity of resources. Majority of the population has been through abject poverty. Seeking basic necessity, a security of livelihood and little comfort is the only dream of masses. you guys come from new generation but time is changing very fast. There are success stories everywhere now and we need to build on to it. 

 

No body puts money in a start-up unless there is a promise of return. Each sport event will have to earn that honor and privilege and rest will follow. 

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Olympics were supposed to provide a stage to individual atheletes to show their skills. 

Thanks to developed countries making it a prestige issue,  it has now become an auction disguised in sporting event where they can lottery fund their talents and buy them a medal. 

I hope our government makes sure there are structural changes to utilise the funds to sports better rather than doubling or tripling funds. There is no point in that. 

Even in Aus or UK people question their governments that is it really necessary to spend truck loads of money on a single sportsman who is never gonna get noticed. The same money can be used to make many lives better if it is invested in infrastructure or medical. 

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1 hour ago, Number said:

Olympics were supposed to provide a stage to individual atheletes to show their skills. 

Thanks to developed countries making it a prestige issue,  it has now become an auction disguised in sporting event where they can lottery fund their talents and buy them a medal. 

I hope our government makes sure there are structural changes to utilise the funds to sports better rather than doubling or tripling funds. There is no point in that. 

Even in Aus or UK people question their governments that is it really necessary to spend truck loads of money on a single sportsman who is never gonna get noticed. The same money can be used to make many lives better if it is invested in infrastructure or medical. 

 

Spending such a huge amount when 15 lakh children  in die because of malnutrition is not something which India should do

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8 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Well said. Sports ministry is a hindrance in doing well in Olympics. 

US also has the best College Athletes in the world where Olympians from all over the world come to get trained in their respective sport.Most Universities in India have no Sports other than Cricket.

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5 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

Its quite shameful that a country of  more than a billion people could just manage 2 medals,if the Govt doesnt support these athletes then the corporations need to step in like they do in the US.

it is not about govt support or encouragement to sports. It goes beyond that. Do you think we have the talent to excel in sports. What funding does the Kenyan athletes get and they have won 6 golds this Olympics. We do not have ability required for sports. Apart from a few trades, we do not stand a chance against the best in Olympics.

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8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

it is not about govt support or encouragement to sports. It goes beyond that. Do you think we have the talent to excel in sports. What funding does the Kenyan athletes get and they have won 6 golds this Olympics. We do not have ability required for sports. Apart from a few trades, we do not stand a chance against the best in Olympics.

 

 

Kenya's medals are won by one tribe called the Kalenjin who perform way better than other Kenyans!

 

take out the Kalenjin,3/4 th of the medals and champions are gone

 

yes both kenya and Ethiopia  have a system to harness this talent from one or two regions only.

 

the pioneer was kipchoge keino (and abebe Bekele for Ethiopia)...like Imran khan, he inspired a tradition and lots of Kalenjin youngsters have

put the world out of competition today.

 

this is not the way to excel across disciplines...freaks of nature in one discipline ...that's it.

 

kenya, Jamaica are poor examples to cite for this reason.even Jamaica has a per capita of 9000 and kenya does not have the same severity in problems like the subcontinent.

 

we were a powerhouse in hockey 40-50 years ago as well before that rule change on surfaces

 

the top 10-20 countries pretty much have a per capita of 10000 and above

 

 

there was a time 40 years ago  when south korea was winning scrapes like us .

 

with better money, they have invested themselves to a premier asian power nowadays..

 

even iran with per capita of around 8000 is better than us in asia for example in basket ball and football.

 

in sports, money and economy  certainly talks.

 

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21 hours ago, Number said:

 

Even in Aus or UK people question their governments that is it really necessary to spend truck loads of money on a single sportsman who is never gonna get noticed. The same money can be used to make many lives better if it is invested in infrastructure or medical. 

 

if you have a problem with poverty or malnutrition, find visionaries who find a way.

 

China has invested heavily in sports and also managed to leaps it economy a few generations  ahead of us.

 

the problem is quality of governance and policies.

 

curtailing sports budget is no way to solve human development problems.

 

if you want to remove people from poverty, find ways to become a manufacturing power first.

 

  

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21 hours ago, Number said:

Olympics were supposed to provide a stage to individual atheletes to show their skills. 

Thanks to developed countries making it a prestige issue,  it has now become an auction disguised in sporting event where they can lottery fund their talents and buy them a medal. 

I hope our government makes sure there are structural changes to utilise the funds to sports better rather than doubling or tripling funds. There is no point in that. 

Even in Aus or UK people question their governments that is it really necessary to spend truck loads of money on a single sportsman who is never gonna get noticed. The same money can be used to make many lives better if it is invested in infrastructure or medical. 

 

yup the whole thing derailed apparently when they allowed professionals to compete in olympics. Now it has become a prestige issue for countries and bank roll the atheletes and worse cases some countries do inhuman torture to the contestants from an young age to make them world class. India i think has neither the will or the funds to do this, just pick a few sports and invest in them and have world class facilities for them. Thats what India should do, pick few where we are in contention say Hockey,badminton,boxing,wrestling,shooting,archery and invest fully in them.

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15 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

Its quite shameful that a country of  more than a billion people could just manage 2 medals,if the Govt doesnt support these athletes then the corporations need to step in like they do in the US.

i have heard this 1 billion every where. For a nation to do well in a particular sport there is no empirical evidence that as population increases beyond the stable 10-15 million there is any direct impact on sporting ability of the nation, as a matter of fact sporting ability is that of an individual or an academy of sports not that of a nation. So beyond a point in population you just have multiple units of the same nation spreading over there is no net benefit out of it, for instance if you make an all start cricket team with best players of the world and make them compete the next five years across board its not that they will win every game that there is.

 

What however is shameful is the immediate short cut gratification that the politicians want, they want a selfi moment or a page three moment with the atheletes and give money to them but thats not going to help,infrastructure would help but hey its India where goons,illiterates are chosen as leaders many times.

 

An other farce that i read is genetical disposition to do well in sports, well there is a very minute difference in the olympic qualification and world record in every sport discipline, so if you have hoards qualifying then all is well with the hoards genetically its just that the support infrastructure to make them world class is missing.  

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20 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Spending such a huge amount when 15 lakh children  in die because of malnutrition is not something which India should do

It is the same argument that is made when IT Parks are created as people argue that they want to rehabilitate or build projects  for poor people.In the end neither happens and our country goes back by 5 more years.

 

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

It is the same argument that is made when IT Parks are created as people argue that they want to rehabilitate or build projects  for poor people.In the end neither happens and our country goes back by 5 more years.

 

IT parks boost economy , create jobs and increase GDP , while Olympic sports are just wasting your precious resources for just boosting ego of people and country.How many people will actually follow Olympic sports after the Olympics are over? There are core cricket fans like us who follow cricket day and night, then comes football fans who follow EPL, CPL but will not follow Indian football. Then there are very few who will follow remaining sports.

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Poverty and malnutrition can only be solved by growth of industry  especially in the poor states and the determination of parents to see their children through school.

 

nothing else will help.

 

The paltry spending in sports neither takes us here or there.

 

its perfectly possible to invest in sport as well as  human development areas and achieve results.

 

the problem is the incompetence and bad ideas at all levels - both govt and the poor attitude of the people.

 

Better governance , better execution and better attitude is the way.

 

Ideas like paltry sport funding is as stupid as hoping withholding tv or walkman will make poor students better academically.Shows unimaginative mind who cant detect root causes and solve problems properly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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