Butler proves why Xfactor players need to be backed in long formats

[maniac]

Self explanatory.

 

This is for all those guys who think Rohit doesn’t deserve a test spot.

 

You need to back proven match winners and they will deliver when you don’t expect it or in miraculous situations.

[maniac]

Rohit should have played in 2018. Could have been the difference. Never ever drop a match winner with caveats like he is a LOI specialist etc.

 

If he can pull of heists in LOI’s it will translate to tests.

[maniac]

Jos Butler,Ben Stokes,Rohit,Bumrah are once in a gen players. Stop calling them this specialist that etc. 

 

They need to play every game every format of your intent is to win or if they are fit.

[sergio04]

I think India needs to stick with pant at 6

in test matches.

[zen]

Pandya has the one of the highest X factor in India 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Pandya has the one of the highest X factor in India 

Doesn’t have the body of work to put him in the league of Rohit Sharma or Butler. 

[zen]

Just now, maniac said:

Doesn’t have the body of work to put him in the league of Rohit Sharma or Butler. 

What has Rohit Sharma done in tests esp, outside India? Pandya has a 100 in SL, 90 odd in SA (when everyone failed), 50 and 5-er in Eng to win a test .... Let Rohit at least match those then we can talk about his league

 

Pandya >>>>> Rohit 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

What has Rohit Sharma done in tests esp, outside India? Pandya has a 100 in SL, 90 odd in SA (when everyone failed), 50 and 5-er in Eng to win a test .... Let Rohit at least match those then we can talk about his league

 

Pandya >>>>> Rohit 

You want to speak about magic performances against SL. Tread carefully because you are entering my territory :)

 

 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

You want to speak about magic performances against SL. Tread carefully because you are entering my territory :)

What territory? Rohit only averages 33 in SL in tests, 17 in Eng, and 15 in SA 

 

PS Pandya's avg (without even considering his bowling contributions): 59 in SL, 23 in Eng, and 20 in SA

Edited August 8, 2020 by zen

[maniac]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

What territory? Rohit only averages 33 in SL in tests, 17 in Eng, and 15 in SA 

 

PS Pandya's avg (without even considering his bowling contributions): 59 in SL, 23 in Eng, and 20 in SA

Pandya got a better backing than Rohit in tests. If you would have dropped Rohit in 2011 forever, we would have missed out 3 odi 200’s, highest score ever in odis, 4 t20 100s, most 6’s in a T20 game and Odi game, Asia cup,Nidihaas trophy, 2013 CT etc etc.

 

You don’t drop a guy like that.

 

Do you agree about Butler though?

[zen]

Just now, maniac said:

Pandya got a better backing than Rohit in tests. If you would have dropped Rohit in 2011 forever, we would have missed out 3 odi 200’s, highest score ever in odis, 4 t20 100s, most 6’s in a T20 game and Odi game, Asia cup,Nidihaas trophy, 2013 CT etc etc.

 

You don’t drop a guy like that.

 

Do you agree about Butler though?

If Pandya was played in tests in India too more often than not, it would have been considered as backing 

 

I back players with x factor like Pandya, Pant, Buttler, Stokes, .... 

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

Rohit should have played in 2018. Could have been the difference. Never ever drop a match winner with caveats like he is a LOI specialist etc.

 

If he can pull of heists in LOI’s it will translate to tests.

He was there in Adelaide during the Virat Chase, after Rahane was wrongly given out.  What difference did he make?  Oh yeah, he threw his wicket away on a stupid shot after a typically useless innings.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, zen said:

If Pandya was played in tests in India too more often than not, it would have been considered as backing 

 

I back players with x factor like Pandya, Pant, Buttler, Stokes, .... 

Maniac has always been enamored by non-desi "x factors".  Stokes and Buttler are 'x factor' players who need long rope, but Pandya is not worthy of test match cricket.  The schizophrenia is real.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Pandya got a better backing than Rohit in tests.

[Ankit_sharma03]

34 minutes ago, sandeep said:

He was there in Adelaide during the Virat Chase, after Rahane was wrongly given out.  What difference did he make?  Oh yeah, he threw his wicket away on a stupid shot after a typically useless innings.

not to forget 3rd test in england 2014 , when we had 1-0 lead....dhoni drops binny and gets rohit for extra batting 

Its about lunch and rohit plays the most irresponsible shot to moeen ali ane leaves the team in taters

[Ankit_sharma03]

the comparison of butler with rohit is bizzare as butler , stokes if they get out still has value to team which is not the case with rohit

Also Butler poor keeping only made this match intersting , if his keeping goes like thing his batting wont save him for long 

 

[sandeep]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the comparison of butler with rohit is bizzare as butler , stokes if they get out still has value to team which is not the case with rohit

Also Butler poor keeping only made this match intersting , if his keeping goes like thing his batting wont save him for long 

 

I love Buttler's temparament, and I think he should be their whiteball skipper.  But just like Dhoni wasn't quite the right fit for the test team, Buttler isn't the best choice for England test team, especially if they have a top shelf gloveman who can bat a bit in Foakes.  I say this now, after Buttler has been given an extra-long rope and every opportunity to succeed.  Very similar to how Rohit Sharma was in test cricket earlier.  I was a huge, massive believer in Rohit's test match potential.  Up until that Adelaide game, that was the last straw for me. 

[maniac]

31 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Maniac has always been enamored by non-desi "x factors".  Stokes and Buttler are 'x factor' players who need long rope, but Pandya is not worthy of test match cricket.  The schizophrenia is real.

Because Stokes is actually a batsman who can make difference with the ball. Butler is a Keeper bat.

 

I have been a big backer of Pant right from his U-19 days. Pandya I don’t think merits in as a batsman or a bowler alone. He is a xfactor bits and pieces player like Andre Russell not a test allrounder like Holder or Stokes who can get in as first choice bowler and batsman. Trust me If Shadab Khan was Indian and it was the Indian team playing him, I would have thrown a virtual hissy fit.

 

Not sure why it’s so hard for you to grasp this simple concept.

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Pandya I don’t think merits in as a batsman or a bowler alone.

Pandya is a very good batsman with the ability to bowl at 140+. Ind does not produce such cricketers frequently. What is needed is to support such cricketers find feet at the international level. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I love Buttler's temparament, and I think he should be their whiteball skipper.  But just like Dhoni wasn't quite the right fit for the test team, Buttler isn't the best choice for England test team, especially if they have a top shelf gloveman who can bat a bit in Foakes.

England has to see now how much of damage he does with gloves in a period of some test....coz most keepers around world even de kock arent that safe anymore. If it becomes to damaging then foakes but the good thing is they have curran, woakes, ali type players to compensate in batting 

Dhoni atleast improved rapidly his gloves work against spin which was second to none and since since his home condition were spin based  he was safe for huge % of test, if anything his glove work was mostly tested in england only. 

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I say this now, after Buttler has been given an extra-long rope and every opportunity to succeed.  Very similar to how Rohit Sharma was in test cricket earlier.  I was a huge, massive believer in Rohit's test match potential.  Up until that Adelaide game, that was the last straw for me. 

yup same here, i thought here is one of the best batting talent in decades but when ever it came to red ball outside india there were plenty problems-

• low scores
• when he got starts he threw his wkt 
• even got rattled by sheer pace by johnson in brisbane and he is supposively best player of pace
• Even spin became  a problem away with herath, lyon, ali all getting him

 

neways now that team has decided to take last gamble it shud be the last throw of dice for him