Sidhoni Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Texan said: The way Dhoni has been pottering around in this IPL, it doesn't seem like he even has his mind in the right place. Besides, if I can get a 90 off 40 balls from someone like Pant and instead I get a 90 off 110 balls from Dhoni, I would take the former even in an ODI. ODI cricket is evolving and 300 totals are no longer safe totals. 300 is the new 240 from 20 years ago. Now, teams are chasing 400 batting first. Just look at England. They have completely revamped their ODI squad and they play the entire 50 overs like an elongated T20 match. They pick deep batting line-ups and don't let up the hitting even when couple of wickets fall. They are looking for 350+ scores when they start. We need to start thinking along those lines, especially when we have power hitters in the IPL. Pant, Pandya brothers, even a new guy like Tripathi is showing us that we have plenty of power hitters in India. But no way would they get their chance to prove their mettle if old warhorses like Dhoni keep playing even when completely out of form. Please note that I actually regard Dhoni very highly in ODI cricket. He would be my first pick into an All Time India ODI XI. But his time to go had been fast approaching and I am afraid now he is no longer anywhere close to the best keeper batsman in India even for ODIs. Pant will not score 90 off 40 neither will Dhoni score 90 off 110. Pant is an opener, Dhoni should bat at 4. That is the reason I keep saying one of them can be specialist batsman and both need to play. If you watched the series vs England Dhoni made up for his slow start and in fact if not for his wrists cramping up in the end he would have ended up with 160(130) kinda innings. We need stability in that middle order. It's not like Pandey, Rahane or whatever options are there for middle order are able to grab their chances. To be honest, Opener(Rohit/Dhawan/Rahul/Rahane..lots of options) Pant Kohli Dhoni Yuvi Raina/Jadhav These guys batting in succession is more exciting than any batting order we've had recently. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: Bhuvi did bowl to his strength in that innings. Check how Rabada bowled to Dhoni in that ODI when he could not score 12 runs in last over at Green Park. You dont bowl full to Dhoni in death over unless you are Malinga who can slide the ball under his bat with that low sling action. Exactly. Dhoni's stance and posture means full balls, particularly yorkers at his legs, are going to disappear. Thats the whole point of the helicopter shot. Bowling wide is suggested but after one was wide, Bhuvi abandoned that. Slower bowls outside off would have helped with Dhoni's current form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, CG said: Rabada and Bhuvi are diff bowlers.Bhuvi bowled to his strengths and that was go for wide Yorker and inswing Yorkers sometimes you miss and Dhoni played the wide Yorker well.Bhuvi can't go short as he does not get bounce like rabada nor does he have the pace. You must have missed most of Bhuvi's death bowling this IPL then because not only has he bowled short but lots of slower balls and picked up lots of wickets. The reason he was successful has not been because of yorkers but because he has mixed his bowling very well. Check any of his scorecards at death and he has not bowled more than 2-3 yorkers in last 12 balls. As for pace, his yorkers have all been over 140 kph so yeah, you haven't watched at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidhoni Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, New guy said: You must have missed most of Bhuvi's death bowling this IPL then because not only has he bowled short but lots of slower balls and picked up lots of wickets. The reason he was successful has not been because of yorkers but because he has mixed his bowling very well. Check any of his scorecards at death and he has not bowled more than 2-3 yorkers in last 12 balls. As for pace, his yorkers have all been over 140 kph so yeah, you haven't watched at all But but but he is not an international bowler sscomp32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 17 minutes ago, New guy said: You must have missed most of Bhuvi's death bowling this IPL then because not only has he bowled short but lots of slower balls and picked up lots of wickets. The reason he was successful has not been because of yorkers but because he has mixed his bowling very well. Check any of his scorecards at death and he has not bowled more than 2-3 yorkers in last 12 balls. As for pace, his yorkers have all been over 140 kph so yeah, you haven't watched at all In T20, bowling is all about deceiving the batsman. Vary the pace, mixing the lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 You must have missed most of Bhuvi's death bowling this IPL then because not only has he bowled short but lots of slower balls and picked up lots of wickets. The reason he was successful has not been because of yorkers but because he has mixed his bowling very well. Check any of his scorecards at death and he has not bowled more than 2-3 yorkers in last 12 balls. As for pace, his yorkers have all been over 140 kph so yeah, you haven't watched at all Of matches I have seen he had bowled good Yorkers at death.Regarding pace it was comparison to rabada who is at 150ks.bhuvi has improved his pace sure . Coming to Dhoni Bhuvi should have tried to bowl back of length outside off and he would have succeeded.Dhoni picks slower balls well so dunno it would made a diff. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 hours ago, CG said: Of matches I have seen he had bowled good Yorkers at death.Regarding pace it was comparison to rabada who is at 150ks.bhuvi has improved his pace sure . Coming to Dhoni Bhuvi should have tried to bowl back of length outside off and he would have succeeded.Dhoni picks slower balls well so dunno it would made a diff. dhonis weakness is the balls bowled wide outside the off .. he is bit indecesive in hitting those balls bhuvi bowls at good pace when needed .. he can easily bowl 140+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sscomp32 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 10 hours ago, New guy said: Yaar saying bhuvi lost his head and bowled bad to dhoni that one over is now not supporting him. SMH at such logic. But you called him a non international bowler. Hatred makes people lose their sense and that what happened to you. You forgot Bhuvi is also an international bowler. velu and Sidhoni 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 hours ago, sscomp32 said: But you called him a non international bowler. Hatred makes people lose their sense and that what happened to you. You forgot Bhuvi is also an international bowler. looks like he lost both sense and mind when he said bhuvi is not an international bolwer sscomp32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 But you called him a non international bowler. Hatred makes people lose their sense and that what happened to you. You forgot Bhuvi is also an international bowler. Blind hatred does that to people sscomp32, Sidhoni and Rasgulla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCCI Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Bhuvi vs Dhoni Part 2 today,lets see who wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 haterz got KLPD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 17 hours ago, BCCI said: Bhuvi vs Dhoni Part 2 today,lets see who wins. I think the answer was quite emphatic velu, sscomp32, Shunya and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 Did the job.. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) MTC got REKT again Fake bhuvi fan Only real bhuvi fans are me and beetle Edited May 6, 2017 by Viper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Viper said: MTC got REKT again Fake bhuvi fan Only real bhuvi fans are me and beetle I've always admired Bhuvi and hold him in high esteem Should've been given more chances than Ishant in Tests and should've been one of our regular pacers in shorter formats. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasgulla Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said: I've always admired Bhuvi and hold him in high esteem Should've been given more chances than Ishant in Tests and should've been one of our regular pacers in shorter formats. Apologies.... Ultimate as well.. may have missed few more people they know who they are Ultimate_Game and sscomp32 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 On 5/5/2017 at 10:13 AM, Sidhoni said: Pant will not score 90 off 40 neither will Dhoni score 90 off 110. Pant is an opener, Dhoni should bat at 4. That is the reason I keep saying one of them can be specialist batsman and both need to play. If you watched the series vs England Dhoni made up for his slow start and in fact if not for his wrists cramping up in the end he would have ended up with 160(130) kinda innings. We need stability in that middle order. It's not like Pandey, Rahane or whatever options are there for middle order are able to grab their chances. To be honest, Opener(Rohit/Dhawan/Rahul/Rahane..lots of options) Pant Kohli Dhoni Yuvi Raina/Jadhav These guys batting in succession is more exciting than any batting order we've had recently. Rahane shudnt be an option As of now Rohit is a main stay so he cant be among option, its the other opener we need to try and pant is one of the options Dhoni n yuvi in middle worries, one shud be there. CT2017 will decide yuvi path ahead. If pant click , Rahul can be made to bat at 4...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Rahane shudnt be an option As of now Rohit is a main stay so he cant be among option, its the other opener we need to try and pant is one of the options Dhoni n yuvi in middle worries, one shud be there. CT2017 will decide yuvi path ahead. If pant click , Rahul can be made to bat at 4...... Rahul won't be fit in time for CT. I would play Pant as the opener along with either Rohit or Dhawan as the opener, Kohli at 3, Pandey at 4, Dhoni at 5, Jadhav at 6, Pandya at 7 followed by bowlers. Raina and one of Rohit/Dhawan to be part of the squad. Yuvraj doesn't fit the team anymore as he's inconsistent with the bat and not a good fielder either. Dhoni is still a decent odi bat and more importantly quite a good wkt keeper. Plus Kohli will need him to be in his ear as Kohli's short format captaincy needs help. Once Pant has shown he's up for intl cricket he can take over wkt keeping duties and by the time 2019 WC rolls along, things would be much more clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said: Rahul won't be fit in time for CT. I would play Pant as the opener along with either Rohit or Dhawan as the opener, Kohli at 3, Pandey at 4, Dhoni at 5, Jadhav at 6, Pandya at 7 followed by bowlers. Raina and one of Rohit/Dhawan to be part of the squad. Yuvraj doesn't fit the team anymore as he's inconsistent with the bat and not a good fielder either. Dhoni is still a decent odi bat and more importantly quite a good wkt keeper. Plus Kohli will need him to be in his ear as Kohli's short format captaincy needs help. Once Pant has shown he's up for intl cricket he can take over wkt keeping duties and by the time 2019 WC rolls along, things would be much more clear. mine was for post 2017CT As of now yuvi cant be dropped as he made runs last series . Agreed Kohli needs dhoni for captaincy help and yea pant is good enough to play as batsman only If talking about CT well dhawan will be back and again rohit has been a main stay wnt be dropped I dnt see raina going..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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