Is it time to try Krunal in place of Jadeja?

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

knee jerk reactions  on the basis of just a single loss.

In the last 2 years in ODIs, Jadeja has taken only 11 wickets from 13 ODIs at an average of 60 and an ER of 5.5.

 

He has bowled very defensively and has not gone for wickets....but has not been that economical either.

 

The reactions in this thread are NOT based on one match.

 

It is more a case of a player playing ODIs based on his test exploits.

[renjith]

jadeja is a far better bowler than krunal. we will only be adding to our problems by replacing jadeja with krunal. if jedeja is to be replaced, it has to be with a better bowler than jadeja. as of now chahal and kuldeep are the front runners for replacing jadeja and ashwin.

[CG]

jadeja is a far better bowler than krunal. we will only be adding to our problems by replacing jadeja with krunal. if jedeja is to be replaced, it has to be with a better bowler than jadeja. as of now chahal and kuldeep are the front runners for replacing jadeja and ashwin.

Jadeja accuracy makes him potent at test level ,in modern odis on flat pitch finger spinners need variety to survive.

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, renjith said:

jadeja is a far better bowler than krunal. we will only be adding to our problems by replacing jadeja with krunal. if jedeja is to be replaced, it has to be with a better bowler than jadeja. as of now chahal and kuldeep are the front runners for replacing jadeja and ashwin.

Krunal is a proper No.6 or No.7 ODI batsman.

 

If we play Hardik and Krunal together, batting at No.6 and no.7..... that means we can play 4 other proper bowlers

 

These 4 proper bowlers could be 2 pacers and 2 spinners  OR  3 pacers and 1 spinner based on the pitch.

 

We are not compromising on the bowling by bringing in Krunal; but creating ( 4+2 ) or ( 3+3) =6 bowling options while maintaining the 7 batting options we have now.

Edited June 25, 2017 by express bowling

[SK_IH]

lets see ,is jaddu wkt taker ? no,he is defensive bowler ,same for krunal

is jaddu better bowler than jaddu ? yes he is tight but no shane warne

is krunal better bat than jaddu? no comparison,jaddu is very ordinary i dont trust him to win when 50 required of 6-7 ovrs

 

krunal >jaddiu overall for odis,t20s

 

 

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

In the last 2 years in ODIs, Jadeja has taken only 11 wickets from 13 ODIs at an average of 60 and an ER of 5.5.

 

He has bowled very defensively and has not gone for wickets....but has not been that economical either.

 

The reactions in this thread are NOT based on one match.

 

It is more a case of a player playing ODIs based on his test exploits.

A player who avg:s almost 32 with a str: rate of 85+  after playing 134 matches means he is a caliber played indeed, atleast with the bat.Yes..with ball he might not be an all condition player.But he is a reliable lower order bat in any conditions. Why can't he be given more oppertunities at NO:6 & utilised his 'bowling based on conditions' ?? We must not forget that he is a quality test bowler, a  useful  lower order test batsman, a brilliant fielder  & to project his case a genuine all rounder in first class cricket. Can't find lot of all rounders  in   any first class cricket

who avg:s 44+ with the bat and 23 with the ball.For me , he only lags is in one day bowling. i would blame the  management rather than him for not properly utilising such a  player with a wonderful career record.

Edited June 25, 2017 by rtmohanlal

[prudent_kreeda]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Krunal is a proper No.6 or No.7 ODI batsman.

 

If we play Hardik and Krunal together, batting at No.6 and no.7..... that means we can play 4 other proper bowlers

 

These 4 proper bowlers could be 2 pacers and 2 spinners  OR  3 pacers and 1 spinner based on the pitch.

 

We are not compromising on the bowling by bringing in Krunal; but creating ( 4+2 ) or ( 3+3) =6 bowling options while maintaining the 7 batting options we have now.

    Advantage of having 4 pure bowlers  is that you can use them till half way mark ( with may be just 2 overs  form fifth bowler) to create              pressure. Then opposition team will have to take more risk to up the ante in the remianing overs  .  There will be phases of play where wickets go down and you  quickly slip in few overs of 5th bowler . Krunal even in  IPL  has a RR less than 7 and bowls accurately around 95-100 KPh .  Also changes pace. So no easy runs on a platter . Really worth a try  .

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

A player who avg:s almost 32 with a str: rate of 85+  after playing 134 matches means he is a caliber played indeed, atleast with the bat.Yes..with ball he might not be an all condition player.But he is a reliable lower order bat in any conditions. Why can't he be given more oppertunities at NO:6 & utilised his 'bowling based on conditions' ?? We mus not forget that he is a quality test bowler, a  useful  lower order test batsman, a brilliant fielder  & to project his case a genuine all rounder in first class cricket. Can't find lot of all rounders  in   any first class cricket

who avg:s 44+ with the bat and 23 with the ball.For me , he only lags is in one day bowling. i would blame the  management rather than him for not properly utilising such a  player with a wonderful career record.

ODIs have changed nowadays and batsmen coming in at no.6 and No.7 need to be very high SR batters... with SRs in excess of 100 and preferably 110+.  ( Our current No.6 and no.7 have SRs of 122 and 141 )

 

A " batsman "  like Jadeja with a SR of 85 does not cut it as a lower-middle order batsman these days.

 

Moreover, there are so many better hitters than Jadeja nowadays.... there is no sense in playing him at No.6.  New guys like Pant will bat at a very high SR too.

 

He has been demoted from No.7 to No.8 by our team in the last 15 months and that will tell you the story..... he is being considered as a pure bowler and he is not delivering.

[rtmohanlal]

23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

ODIs have changed nowadays and batsmen coming in at no.6 and No.7 need to be very high SR batters... with SRs in excess of 100 and preferably 110+.  ( Our current No.6 and no.7 have SRs of 122 and 141 )

 

A " batsman "  like Jadeja with a SR of 85 does not cut it as a lower-middle order batsman these days.

 

Moreover, there are so many better hitters than Jadeja nowadays.... there is no sense in playing him at No.6.  New guys like Pant will bat at a very high SR too.

 

He has been demoted from No.7 to No.8 by our team in the last 15 months and that will tell you the story..... he is being considered as a pure bowler and he is not delivering.

I just  filtered out his 30+ inns in one dayers... he has 22 such inns where he remained not out on 12 occasions.He has  such scores every where. Means... if properly utilised at 6 or even 5 he would be able to contribute even more with the bat.12 not outs  in 22 inns means , if he settles in he can play long innings.  And his 85 str: rate is  good enough for a 5th position it seems. I don't think any team baring one or may be two teams  at the moment has a no:5 who avg:es 32 @85  and 35 with the ball, i mean  both batting & bowling  combined.Any why ... just my thoughts

Edited June 25, 2017 by rtmohanlal

[Kerberos]

3 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

I just  filtered out his 30+ inns in one dayers... he has 22 such inns where he remained not out on 12 occasions.He has  such scores every where. Means... if properly utilised at 6 or even 5 he would be able to contribute even more with the bat.12 not outs  in 22 inns means , if he settles in he can play long innings.  And his 85 str: rate is  good enough for a 5th position it seems. I don't think any team at the moment has a no:5 who avg:es 32 @85  and 35 with the ball, i mean  both batting & bowling  combined.Any why ... just my thoughts

Put average aside and start watching match. Do you honestly feel he has added anything in batting impactwise?

[express bowling]

57 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

I just  filtered out his 30+ inns in one dayers... he has 22 such inns where he remained not out on 12 occasions.He has  such scores every where. Means... if properly utilised at 6 or even 5 he would be able to contribute even more with the bat.12 not outs  in 22 inns means , if he settles in he can play long innings.  And his 85 str: rate is  good enough for a 5th position it seems. I don't think any team baring one or may be two teams  at the moment has a no:5 who avg:es 32 @85  and 35 with the ball, i mean  both batting & bowling  combined.Any why ... just my thoughts

Jadeja is not No.5 material as he is not comfortable against fast bowlers.

 

Moreover, new batters like Pant are expected to do better than an average of 32 with a SR of 85.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

I just  filtered out his 30+ inns in one dayers... he has 22 such inns where he remained not out on 12 occasions.He has  such scores every where. Means... if properly utilised at 6 or even 5 he would be able to contribute even more with the bat.12 not outs  in 22 inns means , if he settles in he can play long innings.  And his 85 str: rate is  good enough for a 5th position it seems. I don't think any team baring one or may be two teams  at the moment has a no:5 who avg:es 32 @85  and 35 with the ball, i mean  both batting & bowling  combined.Any why ... just my thoughts

I had those ideas few yrs ago but his batting technique has regressed only 

We have to come to terms that he is a bowler who can bat a bit thats it .........

 

There are enough talented batsman who deserve a spot in top 6......jadeja cant be even our 20th option

[express bowling]

The main issue is....how will our team management know whether yougsters like  Pant, Krunal, Shankar, Nathu, Siraj etc. are international quality unless we try them in bilateral LOI series ?

 

How will we develop them unless they get a few games on the trot ?

 

We saw the difference in approach between a fearless youth, Pandya,  and a bunch of experienced guys.

Edited June 25, 2017 by express bowling

[rtmohanlal]

"I just  filtered out his 30+ inns in one dayers... he has 22 such inns where he remained not out on 12 occasions.He has  such scores every where. Means... if properly utilised at 6 or even 5 he would be able to contribute even more with the bat.12 not outs  in 22 inns means , if he settles in he can play long innings.  And his 85 str: rate is  good enough for a 5th position it seems. I don't think any team baring one or may be two teams  at the moment has a no:5 who avg:es 32 @85  and 35 with the ball, i mean  both batting & bowling  combined.Any why ... just my thoughts "

 

went  thru all the replies to the above msg: of mine.Yet  I feel that those stats belong to a proven international player. Hence ,if he has regressed  off late, a lot of  the blame has to  go to the team management .On a side note....it still disappoints me as to how the Indian management destroyed almost a certified ATG batsman like  Sehwag .All these crores & crores of money, analysts, computer technology etc etc..yet these people do not have even the common sense  to bat first in big final against an opposition like PAK being well aware of the scoreboard pressure such a match situation can create.Unfortunately that is what they are..  

 

[renjith]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Krunal is a proper No.6 or No.7 ODI batsman.

 

If we play Hardik and Krunal together, batting at No.6 and no.7..... that means we can play 4 other proper bowlers

 

These 4 proper bowlers could be 2 pacers and 2 spinners  OR  3 pacers and 1 spinner based on the pitch.

 

We are not compromising on the bowling by bringing in Krunal; but creating ( 4+2 ) or ( 3+3) =6 bowling options while maintaining the 7 batting options we have now.

That means krunal has to replace a specialist batsman at no 6. Is krunal a good enough batsman to play at 6?

 

In my opinion we should not fill our team with neither a good batsman nor a good bowler kind of players. Maximum we can accommodate such a player is 1, which is already taken by pandya. Rest all players imo should be able to get into the team either as a genuine batsman or bowler.

 

Krunal can take the place of hardik if it's a spin bowling pitch but not jadeja or kedar jadav imo. 

Edited June 25, 2017 by renjith

[Tibarn]

Krunal has some big innings in IPL. I don't know how long an innings he can play in 50 overs though. To actually see how good he is, we would need to let him bat somewhere in the middle order during these bilateral series. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, renjith said:

That means krunal has to replace a specialist batsman at no 6. Is krunal a good enough batsman to play at 6?

 

In my opinion we should not fill our team with neither a good batsman nor a good bowler kind of players. Maximum we can accommodate such a player is 1, which is already taken by pandya. Rest all players imo should be able to get into the team either as a genuine batsman or bowler.

 

Krunal can take the place of hardik if it's a spin bowling pitch but not jadeja or kedar jadav imo. 

Krunal is a top order batsman. Bats at No.3 for his state team in List A and averages 38.

 

He bats in the top 6 for his IPL team too and averages 34 at a SR of 158....which is rather impressive.

 

He is not a lower order slogger. 

 

 

 

 

[Silva]

3 hours ago, renjith said:

That means krunal has to replace a specialist batsman at no 6. Is krunal a good enough batsman to play at 6?

 

In my opinion we should not fill our team with neither a good batsman nor a good bowler kind of players. Maximum we can accommodate such a player is 1, which is already taken by pandya. Rest all players imo should be able to get into the team either as a genuine batsman or bowler.

 

Krunal can take the place of hardik if it's a spin bowling pitch but not jadeja or kedar jadav imo. 

H Pandya has probably been one of Indias better batsman, and maybe the only one that can hit big from ball one.

 

The only player that can't bowl or bat is jadeja. His lower batting is useless and his bowling numbers aren't much better than Yuvraj Singhs.

 

I like kedar jhadav but the team doesn't really need a proper long innings specialist type batsman at number 6. Throughout the whole champions trophy He was only needed once and even then the match was practically over by the time he got into the middle. Its better to have a big hitter at that position.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Silva

[renjith]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

Krunal is a top order batsman. Bats at No.3 for his state team in List A and averages 38.

 

He bats in the top 6 for his IPL team too and averages 34 at a SR of 158....which is rather impressive.

 

He is not a lower order slogger. 

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Silva said:

H Pandya has probably been one of Indias better batsman, and maybe the only one that can hit big from ball one.

 

The only player that can't bowl or bat is jadeja. His lower batting is useless and his bowling numbers aren't much better than Yuvraj Singhs.

 

I like kedar jhadav but the team doesn't really need a proper long innings specialist type batsman at number 6. Throughout the whole champions trophy He was only needed once and even then the match was practically over by the time he got into the middle. Its better to have a big hitter at that position.

If krunal is good enough batsman to replace kedar yadav, then there is nothing wrong in trying him at no 6. Even if krunal is slightly inferior to kedar as a batsmen, we can still assume that no 6 batman does not have to play a long innings in most cases as silva mentioned.

 

Bowling wise he defenitely does not look like someone who can complete 10 overs in loi and is a defenite no as a 5th bowler especially when hardik is the 4th bowler. As that will leave 20 high risk overs. But should fine as a 6th bowler.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2017 by renjith

[Kerberos]

2 hours ago, renjith said:

 

If krunal is good enough batsman to replace kedar yadav, then there is nothing wrong in trying him at no 6. Even if krunal is slightly inferior to kedar as a batsmen, we can still assume that no 6 batman does not have to play a long innings in most cases as silva mentioned.

 

Bowling wise he defenitely does not look like someone who can complete 10 overs in loi and is a defenite no as a 5th bowler especially when hardik is the 4th bowler. As that will leave 20 high risk overs. But should fine as a 6th bowler.

 

 

Krunal's bowling has been under rated. He can complete his 10 overs easily. He may not be big turner of the ball but is a thinking bowler. He is somewhere between a part timer and a specialist bowler.

Kedar has been unfortunately wasted due to Yuvraj and dhoni hanging on like leeches. He is a perfect no 4 batsman.