Karnataka appoints panel to design ‘state flag’, look into legal sanctity

[coffee_rules]

12 hours ago, sandeep said:

I can understand if its country bumpkins who are impressionable and fall for that kind of silly logic.  But @coffee_rules has been around for a while on ICF, he's not an idiot.  So him spouting this kind of silly regional nonsense didn't make sense to me.  

 

Hindi's not my native tongue either, but what's really the big deal in accepting it along with English as the other interstate language?   

I have claimed that is raked up by Sidda the CM to hold on to the seat. But, the underlying emotion among some cant be denied. These problems are not anecdotal. Nobody is asking these ppl coming to learn and excel in kannada.  A little sensitivity is expected from them to learn and talk in kannada to the local help, vegetable guy, milk man etc. Instead, we are seeing more and more demands of them expecting these locals to learn hindi and even fire them. i have met ppl living in Begalore for decades without knowing a single word of kannada. This emotion is even among  professionals this time, not by some fringe group. This is seen as an imposition of Hindi and accomodation beyond limit.

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7. What is wrong in having Hindi on the Bangalore Metro display boards?

 

This discussion has a socio-political context. The display boards used in the Bangalore Metro only served as a trigger. The bigger question should be about the preferential treatment of Hindi over other languages. The status of Hindi in comparison with Kannada should be clearly discussed. Kannada has completely disappeared from banks, railway, milestones on highways, LIC and even from cooking gas cylinders. There are those who are pushing to get a union territory status to Bangalore. Companies like Flipkart that are based in Bangalore communicate only in English and Hindi with their customers. Bus conductors, auto-rickshaw drivers, cab drivers and shopkeepers who cannot speak Hindi are treated like barbarians by many. A cab company has made it mandatory for its drivers to know Hindi. One of the governors has propagated Hindi saying it is our duty to learn the language. Just yesterday a bunch of people protested in a shopping mall because a girl there did not/could not respond to them in Hindi. UPSC exams are available in Hindi and none of the other Indian languages. There is an endless list of such problems. It has also become common to see posts on Facebook which call for ‘banning this local language’ 

 

[coffee_rules]

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 0:30 AM, Mariyam said:

I find this debate ridiculous. The state of Karnataka has Konkani and Tulu in addition to Kannada as local languages. No one wants to mention that. Possibly more people in Karnataka speak these languages than Hindi. If signs are going to be put up in Hindi, there should be signs in Konkani and Tulu (not sure if they have  a script) too.

Good point. You forgot kodava, the language spoken in Madikeri. They are also demanding a separate state because they feel cannibalised by kannada. Tulu and Kodava are spoken languages with no script, so can put sign boards only in kannada. Milestones in some remote villages are in hindi . Isnt that idiotic of these UPSC babus and a case of imposition?

[BeautifulGame]

17 hours ago, sandeep said:

How does including the national language on a signboard push Kannada to "irrelevance"?   Given Banglaore's evolution as a true metropolis, and a resulting population boom in non-kannada speakers, it just makes sense.   Why so defensive?  

Hindi is not India's national language .

 

[Tibarn]

Warning: Long post incoming 

 

On 7/19/2017 at 10:52 PM, BeautifulGame said:

1.Congress did try to force Hindi when drawing the constitution.But we south resisted and and a solution was found to use either  English or Hindi as official language for 15 years and then to take stock later.

 

This isn’t entirely accurate.  Many non-Hindi speaking states had movements against Hindi as sole official language of India, not just the “South”, including Punjab, Maharashtra, and Bengal. However, correct me if I am wrong, the main place where it got violent was Tamil Nadu, and Tamil Nadu was the epicenter of most of the anti-Hindi agitations throughout post-Independence history. 

 

There were multiple strains of language politics around the time of independence, not just Hindi imposition on the South. Many people outside the South were affected even after the amendment by Shastri, with the people in Jammu and Kashmir the worst hit. 

 

On 7/19/2017 at 10:52 PM, BeautifulGame said:

2.And when the 15 year period came ,GOI under Shastri did try to force Hindi .Which triggered massive protests in TN and Congress gave up that policy.

 

The post-Independence era Congress did indeed put a hold on the policy of "Hindi" being the sole official language of India, and allowed English to retain usage and gain official status after the temporary hold, but now both Hindi and English are official languages of the Indian government. If that is sufficient to satisfy desires to stop "Hindi imposition" then fair play, but then please explain how any government since the 1960's has done anything to legally undermine this.

 

If we use Tamil Nadu as the barometer of Hindi imposition and anti-Hindi agitations historically, and we use Karnataka as a reference for this thread,  we can see (using the Wikipedia pages)  a number of accusations of Hindi imposition on the Center/Ruling Parties throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations_of_Tamil_Nadu  (Tamil Nadu)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Hindi_Imposition_Campaign   (Karnataka)

 

Looking at only the instances after 1965:

 

First the instances in TN: 

 

1967: Protests to teach Congress a lesson

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Shastri died in January 1966 and Indira Gandhi became prime minister. The election of 1967 saw Congress retaining power with a reduced majority in the Centre. In Madras State, Congress was defeated and DMK came to power thanks to the support of the entire student community who had taken up the challenge thrown by Kamaraj to defeat him in the elections. The Students' Election Army did door to door campaign urging people to vote against Congress to teach them a lesson for all the atrocities committed by the Bhaktavatsalam Government to students under Defence of India Rules etc., P. Sreenivasan defeated Kamaraj in Virudhunagar. In November 1967, a new attempt to amend the Bill was made. On 27 November,^[70] the Bill was tabled in Parliament; it was passed on 16 December (by 205 votes to 41 against^[93]). It received presidential assent on 8 January 1968 and came into effect.^[94] The Amendment modified^[95] section 3 of the 1963 Act to guarantee the "virtual indefinite policy of bilingualism"^[93] (English and Hindi) in official transactions.^[96] Also see students' struggle 1963-68^[97]

 

1968: Protests to stop the three language policy. Congress at center. 

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The anti-Hindi activists from Madras State were not satisfied with the 1967 Amendment, as it did not address their concerns about the three language formula. However, with DMK in power, they hesitated to restart the agitation. The Tamil Nadu Students' Anti-Hindi imposition Agitation council split into several factions. The moderate factions favored letting Annadurai and the government to deal with the situation. The extremist factions restarted the agitations. They demanded scrapping of the three language formula and an end to teaching of Hindi, abolishing the use of Hindi commands in the National Cadet Corps (NCC), banning of Hindi films and songs and closure of the Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachara Sabha (Institution for Propagation of Hindi in South India).

On 19 December 1967, the agitation was restarted. It turned violent on 21 December and acts of arson and looting were reported in the state. Annadurai defused the situation by accepting most of their demands.^[70][98] On 23 January 1968, a resolution was passed in the Legislative Assembly. It accomplished the following:^[99]

The Three-Language Policy was scrapped and Hindi was eliminated from the curriculum. Only English and Tamil were to be taught and the use of Hindi commands in the NCC was banned. Tamil was to be introduced as the medium of instruction in all colleges and as the "language of administration" within five years, the Central Government was urged to end the special status accorded to Hindi in the Constitution and "treat all languages equally", and was urged to provide financial assistance for development of all languages mentioned in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution. These measures satisfied the agitators and "normalcy" returned by February 1968.^[70]

 

Agitation 1986:  Agitation against the National Education Policy introduced under the Rajiv Gandhi Government, based on claims that Hindi would be made compulsory in Navodaya schools. The Center claimed no Hindi would be imposed and the schools were designed to help underprivileged communities. Tamil Nadu became the only state where this policy was not implemented.  

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In 1986, Indian Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi introduced the "National Education Policy".^[100] This education policy provided for setting up Navodaya Schools, where the DMK claimed teaching of Hindi would be compulsory.^[101] The Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (ADMK) led by M. G. Ramachandran (which had split from the DMK in 1972), was in power in Tamil Nadu and the DMK was the main opposition party. Karunanidhi announced an agitation against the opening of Navodaya schools in Tamil Nadu. The Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya program, supported fully by the Ministry of Human Resource Development, was established to identify gifted and talented students from economically disadvantaged and historically neglected communities, throughout every state and Union Territory in India and provide for them an education on par with elite residential schools traditionally available in India only for children of the wealthy as well as children of the political class. On 13 November, the Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly unanimously passed a resolution demanding the repeal of Part XVII of the constitution and for making English the sole official language of the union.^{[102][103][104]}

On 17 November 1986, DMK members protested against the new education policy by burning Part XVII of the Constitution.^[102] 20,000 DMK members, including Karunanidhi, were arrested.^[104] 21 persons committed suicide by self-immolation.^[105] Karunanidhi was sentenced to ten weeks of rigorous imprisonment. Ten DMK MLAs including K. Anbazhaganwere expelled from the Legislative Assembly by the speaker P. H. Pandian.^[102] Rajiv Gandhi assured Members of Parliament from Tamil Nadu that Hindi would not be imposed.^[106]As part of the compromise, Navodhaya schools were not started in Tamil Nadu. Currently, Tamil Nadu is the only state in India without Navodaya schools.

 

Agitation 2014: Modi government asks government officials using official accounts on social networking sites to use Hindi (1 of 2 official languages), use both  English and Hindi (both official languages with priority given to Hindi). The erstwhile CM of Tamil Nadu cautions that this may cause unrest in Tamil Nadu and advises the center to use English (1 of the 2 official languages) as English is the language of social media. 

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In 2014, the Home Ministry ordered that "government employees and officials of all ministries, departments, corporations or banks, who have made official accounts on social networking sites should use Hindi, or both Hindi and English but give priority to Hindi".^[108] This move was immediately opposed by all the political parties in Tamil Nadu.^[109][110]Terming the move on use of Hindi as being "against letter and spirit" of the Official Languages Act the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa cautioned that this direction may "cause disquiet to the people of Tamil Nadu who are very proud of and passionate about their linguistic heritage," and asked the Prime Minister of India to suitably modify the instructions to ensure that English was the language of communication on social media.^[111] The major opposition party Indian National Congress advised prudence, expressing fear that such directions may result in a backlash in non-Hindi states, especially Tamil Nadu and also said that the "Government would be well-advised to proceed with caution,".^[112] These protests ensured the continuous official usage of English.^[113]

 

Tamil Nadu Summary:

Without judgement of if the Tamil Nadu political party(ies) / state governments were right or wrong in each case, one can see that post the 1965 amendment to the Official Languages Act, there were 4 agitations in TN, 3 while there was Congress in power at the Central level, and 1 when the BJP was in power. 

 

Instances in Karnataka:

 

2006: with INC at the Center, an anti Hindi conference was held in Bangalore, protesting the celebration of Hindi day in Central government institutions.

2011: with INC at the Center, one Kannada activist and some protesters agitate against "Hindi imposition strategies" of the Central government, seemingly centered around signs and announcements made in Hindi.   

2015: with BJP at the Center, after Modi gives the Independence Day Speech in Hindi, some social media activists, supposedly from Banglore and Chennai, protest by trending a hashtag on twitter and pointing out advertising on twitter having Hindi. 

Spoiler

The Indian people speak 122 major languages and 1599 other languages. The official languages of the Union Government are Hindi in the Devanagari script and English. The 8th Schedule of the Indian Constitution lists 22 languages that have been referred to as scheduled languages and given official recognition and encouragement. The Government of India awarded the distinction of "classical language" to Tamil, Sanskrit, Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam and Odia.^[5] In 2006, an "Anti Hindi-imposition conference" was held in Bangalore on 14 September, which is celebrated as Hindi Divas ("Hindi Day") in Indian central government institutions. The aim of the conference was to discuss plans for countering the imposition of Hindi on Kannadigas and the central government's Rajbhasha policy.^[6] [7].

Kannada activities including KRVKarnataka Rakshana Vedike protested on December 2011, against Hindi imposition strategies of Central government on Bangalore Metro, by questioning need of Hindi "Hindi is not our national language. There is no to speak Hindi at stations. For people who do not know Kannada, announcements are made in English, which is the accepted language of communication", ^[8], and for this BMRCl spoke person Chavan, promised to look into the demands of the Vedike. The protesters have given the BMRCL a week to reply to their demands. And subsequently many boards got updated.

On the 69th Independence Day of India, Narendra Modi delivered his prime ministerial speech in Hindi. This launched the movement, which slowly started trending on Twitter in several cities in South India, including Bengaluru and Chennai. Government advertisements and websites that used Hindi in non-Hindi speaking states were pointed out by online activists.^[9][10] The hashtag #StopHindiImposition trended nationally on 23 August 2015.^[11] Internet users raised issues including the absence of local languages in the security and safety instructions on flight announcements, trains and even LPG cylinders.^[12] In Bangalore, activists questioned the use of Hindi over other linguistic majorities in the trains of Namma Metro.^[13]

 

Current issue with BJP at the Center, has some activists protesting sign-boards with 3 languages written on them: Kannada, English, and Hindi, the latter 2 both being official languages of the Indian government. The activists want Hindi completely removed from the sign-boards. 

 

Karnataka Summary:

Once again, without going into the merits of each case, overall there were 4 instances of protesting Hindi imposition in Karnataka, all since 2006, with 2 falling under the INC regime at the Center and 2 falling under the current dispensation. 

 

Overall looking at both TN and Karnataka, since the passage of the amendment to the Official Languages Act under Shastri in 1965, there have been 3 instances of alleged Hindi imposition under a BJP regime and 5 under an INC regime. 

 

 

On 7/19/2017 at 10:52 PM, BeautifulGame said:

Since then I haven't seen them backtracking on the issue.Difference is for whatever reason BJP is igniting it again.

So, based on the agitations, we can see that people in TN have indeed accused the Center, while under INC leadership, of imposing Hindi. We can also see that the activism in Karnataka has started in the last 11 years and those activists also saw alleged "Hindi imposition" under the INC on 2 occasions. 

 

On 7/19/2017 at 10:52 PM, BeautifulGame said:

3.And no one has advocated for English imposition either.

What is being said is if one wants to communicate with people down south either learn English or learn the local language (which is probably much harder).

If we wanna communicate with North India then we will learn Hindi or whatever language or options available.

 

Basically it should be based on own will and necessasity whichever language one is learning .Not by imposition.

 I could agree that if it the agitation was about talking with local people. That only makes sense: if you go to Tamil Nadu, talk with the locals in Tamil, if you go to Punjab, speak with the locals in Punjabi, but that is not what the post of mine you quoted is addressing. 

 

On the first page of the thread, Malcolm Merlyn asked

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What is wrong if a sign board has English Hindi and Kannada on it?

One example post in response to Malcolm Merlyn's question was by Coffee_Rules, which stated

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What is wrong if a sign board has English and Kannada on it? Others can read English, locals can read kannada.

I was reacting to the sentiment in the reply to Malcolm Merlyn's post (as well as the revisionist history being propagated by the other poster who is clearly ignorant of the history of language politics in India and doesn't know that it wasn't limited to only South India fighting Hindi imposition, but it affected most provinces all the way up North to Jammu, Kashmir, and Punjab, but that is digressing ).

 

If a signboard has Kannada(the state's official language), English (1 of 2 official languages of the Indian government), and Hindi (the other official language of the Indian government), where is the Hindi imposition?  A common Kannadiga can read the sign in Kannada and any visitors to the area can read the signs in whichever of English or Hindi, the visitor understands. Literally nobody has to learn Hindi if it is on a signboard. 

 

IF one calls a public transport sign having the state's official language, and both languages recognized constitutionally as official languages of government as "imposition of Hindi", then a number of questions and logical conclusions can arise from this(anyone feel free to answer):

 

1) If a sign with Hindi on it as the third language is "Hindi imposition", despite no one being forced to learn Hindi by the mere existence of the sign, then any sign in any part of India with English on it is also "English imposition" on a country with, according to the 2001 census, only ~12 % people who can speak English. 

(Logically, for example in Gujarat where less than 50% of the population speaks Hindi or English, a monolingual Gujarati can say they are getting English and/or Hindi imposed on them by signs they will never have to read.)

 

2) If Kannadigas can say essentially don't even travel to Karnataka unless you know either Kannada or English, as we don't wan't basic infrastructure signs to have any languages on them except for those 2, then  Delhites can say, don't travel to Delhi unless you know Hindi, as we don't want any English on our signs here. Having English on our signs is English imposition.  

(Literally every state can say we want only languages x,y,z as having languages a, b, c on a sign is imposition.)

 

3) If tomorrow Raj Thackrey decides to behave like the group of people in Karnataka who are vandalizing metro signs with English on it,  with Thackrey's language activists leaving only Marathi and Hindi on the signs, (1 state language, and 1 official government language), will you tell all the Tamil people who visit Maharashtra, especially Mumbai, Thackrey's backyard, to learn Hindi/Marathi if they want to go there? 

(After all, if Kannadigas can do it, Marathis can as well right?)

 

4) If the installation of trilingual signs in Karnataka is an example of Hindi imposition, first by the INC government in 2011 and then BJP in 2017, then every instance of English or Hindi signs in Punjab is also an example of Hindi/English imposition.  

 

Now to some of the accusations of Hindi imposition from earlier:

 

5) The Tamil Nadu 2014 case where

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Chief Minister Jayalalithaa cautioned that this direction may "cause disquiet to the people of Tamil Nadu who are very proud of and passionate about their linguistic heritage," and asked the Prime Minister of India to suitably modify the instructions to ensure that English was the language of communication on social media.^[

So, the NDA Home Ministry stating that Hindi should be given preference on official handles is Hindi imposition, despite the fact that the Home ministry also said that they should try to correspond in English as well, but the TN CM saying that all communication on social media should be in English isn't English imposition? 

 

I agree the Home Ministry should have said to do it in both official government languages, but how can anyone give Jaya a pass for insisting on English here? Again, with the 2001 census, ~53% of Indians understand Hindi as a language and only ~12% understand English. How in the world is it not language chauvinism to cater to a 12 percent minority, when the maximum amount of Indians would be reached by the language the Home Ministry advised? Are the 12% English speakers special because certain people in TN threaten to agitate on anti-Hindi platforms? 

 

6) The 2006 Karnataka case where  

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 In 2006, an "Anti Hindi-imposition conference" was held in Bangalore on 14 September, which is celebrated as Hindi Divas ("Hindi Day") in Indian central government institutions. The aim of the conference was to discuss plans for countering the imposition of Hindi on Kannadigas and the central government's Rajbhasha policy.^[6] [7].

So, an anti-Hindi conference is held simply because central government offices are celebrating an official state language. Literally no one outside the offices has to even celebrate Hindi, just ignore it, but some activists cry Hindi imposition. I didn't even know there was a day to celebrate Hindi. 

Would these activist types feel the same way if Bengalis demand that the Indian government remove all celebrations of the 6 classical languages because arguably the most famous Indian poet of the pre/post Independence era is Tagore and therefore Bengali should be celebrated, otherwise it is Sanskrit/Kannada/Tamil/Telugu/Odia /Malayalam imposition? 

 

7) 2015 "Hindi Imposition" over the PM's Independence Day Speech. 

 

So some activists have a problem with the PM giving a speech in Hindi and cry that he is imposing Hindi, but their insistence on him giving the speech in English isn't English imposition, despite less Indians overall speaking English?  Whatever language the PM gives a speech in will leave out a massive chunk of the population from understanding. Is this really imposition or just the realities of being in a multi-lingual country? If anything, the PM should've given the speech in Gujarati, his mother tongue. 

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Tibarn

[sandeep]

8 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

Hindi is not India's national language .

 

"Official" Language.  Happy?   Your bias is leaking btw.

[sourab10forever]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

"Official" Language.  Happy?   Your bias is leaking

So is Kannada and other 21 languages.

 

[zen]

8 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

So is Kannada and other 21 languages.

 

I think he is referring to Hindi as one of the two official union govt languages 

[Tibarn]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/is-kannada-identity-siddaramaiahaposs-new-political-weapon-to-counter-the-bjp/articleshow/59656054.cms

 

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Is ‘Kannada’ identity Siddaramaiah's new political weapon to counter the BJP?

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Political trackers maintained that there has been a radical shift in Siddaramaiah's strategy on the Kannada turf as he feels that promoting and protecting parochial interests could be a political game-changer. Moreover, if PM Narendra Modi can invoke the Gujarati pride to win polls, Congress activists feel there is no harm in Siddaramaiah working on the Kannadiga pride.He drove the message into the bureaucracy first by announcing: "All officers working in Karnataka should learn Kannada and officiate in Kannada. We will not tolerate any official who is against Kannada and against the interests of Kannadigas." This warning from Siddaramaiah, which came in the backdrop of an IAS officer's refusal to see a file in Kannada, won him appreciation from state's rural population (61.33% of the total).

 

``It might touch an emotional chord as those in the villages speak Kannada. But it is unlikely to become a vote bank issue,'' said Kannada university vice-chancellor Mallika Ganti.

However, unlike in the past, Siddaramaiah is now playing the Kannada card with dexterous diplomacy. A pointer to this is the recent controversy over Hindi signages in Metro stations.He allowed for the protests to happen; the defaced signboards in a couple of stations stay but the CM chose not to go overboard and did not seek their removal altogether. The reason being a majority of the districts in north Karnataka speak Hindi apart from Kannada.

 

 

[G_B_]

dont see the big issue on the flag front.

 

Let every state have their flag.

 

As far as namma metro goes. I think the three lang formula is fine.

[coffee_rules]

 

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Hariprasad said the reason he insisted on the protection of Tulu and Kodava was because of a tendency on the part of the government to impose Hindi in south India where most of the people don’t even know the language. Only 4% people in Karnataka knew Hindi, he asserted.

 

"In the entire south India, the money order form is in English and Hindi; go to any bank, the challans are in English and Hindi; go to any Central government offices in the southern parts of the country, they are using only the two languages, Hindi and English. If you believe in three languages, the local languages such as Tamil, Kannada, Telugu or Malayalam should be there,” the Congress leader from Karnataka said. 

 

Several MPs supported his view and asked the Centre not to impose Hindi on those whose mother tongue is different. - See more at: http://m.deccanherald.com/index.php?url=/content/624045/will-not-impose-hindi-dont.html&secid=8#sthash.1VlPIY0q.dpufhttp://m.deccanherald.com/index.php?url=/content/624045/will-not-impose-hindi-dont.html&secid=8

 

 

 

 

[Vilander]

This will happen more in other states. Centre should stop thinking of using language as a national integrator. In india it cant be. Separate flag is illegal but Hindi can not be imposed in Karnataka, learn Kannada if you live in Bangalore its pretty easy.

[Vilander]

Hindi is one of the official languages in India nothing special about it. Folks from bimaru can speak it while south indians will speak south indian languages. Big deal. Integrate nation in other areas.

[G_B_]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 

 

 

 

 

Thats just BS.

 

Marathi and Konkani which have significant speakers in Northern Karnataka in regions bordering Goa and Maharashtra are both written in the devnagri script just like Hindi. Its easily more than 4%. 

 

And speaking about the controversy with namma metro. The names were in Devnagri which the marathi speakers who have been living for hundreds of years within the boundaries of current karnataka speak. 

 

So who is imposing Kannada on these people? I have been to Belgaum (home of the Maratha light infantry) and the Karnataka government is the first one to snuff out Marathi as a language.

 

Practice what you preach on the imposition front.

[Vilander]

On 7/19/2017 at 3:03 PM, Tibarn said:

It looks like the Lizard is spreading misinformation again. The national language project isn't something started by BJP. The BJP simply adopted the position of Sardar Patel/Sarvarkar on Hindi being the national language. They didn't invent the whole process. 

 

The national language project was started by the Indian National Congress at the time of Independence itself.

 

Gandhi on national language

 

Nehru, Azad, and Netaji's positions on national language. 

 

 

Different positions on national language by people of the independence era by Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Netaji, Maulana Azad, Sarvarkar, and Ambedkar. 

 

 

Lying Lizard 

 

 

Also lol at Idea of India chutiyapa. So some of these people wanting to force English on non-English speakers is Idea of India kosher(English imposition), but the other way around is Hindi Imposition and not acceptable under Idea of India.   

 

Languages are dying in India regardless of if there is "Hindi imposition" via signboards.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/10-languages-in-karnataka-endangered/article4978614.ece

Languages become endangered because people stop using them. They are either not taught by their parents or not taught in school. Unless you want to say that there is Kannada imposition that is killing the other languages in Karnataka.  

 

Not supporting a single national language is cool, I can agree with that,  but what is this idiocy of protesting over sign-boards having a language that you don't understand on it? Most Gujaratis, particularly rural types,  don't understand either Hindi or English, let alone are able to read the scripts, so should they suddenly protest over all the sign boards in Gujarat with those languages on it, say everyone who doesn't know Gujarati should leave Gujarat, and say you must learn Gujarati if you want to come here. Will that be Idea of India Kosher? 

 

Bloody hell, your language is strong enough to not be threatened by a dumb signboard. 

 

 

 

 

 

its just a Dumb signboard right, why have it in Hindi ( a not special one of the official languages of the union), let them have it in Kannada and English..why should we care.

[Vilander]

9 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Thats just BS.

 

Marathi and Konkani which have significant speakers in Northern Karnataka in regions bordering Goa and Maharashtra are both written in the devnagri script just like Hindi. Its easily more than 4%. 

 

And speaking about the controversy with namma metro. The names were in Devnagri which the marathi speakers who have been living for hundreds of years within the boundaries of current karnataka speak. 

 

So who is imposing Kannada on these people? I have been to Belgaum (home of the Maratha light infantry) and the Karnataka government is the first one to snuff out Marathi as a language.

 

Practice what you preach on the imposition front.

ok so you want to impose Hindi on Karnataka but want Karnataka to not rto impose Kannada on Marathi speaking minorities  ?

[Vilander]

Hindi/Kannada/English are all official languages..there are 19 others as states within the union can recognize their own official languages.

So best to learn Kannada before coming to Karnataka. or atleast English dont insist on Hindi, as you have an equal right to insist on Hindi as a local has on insisting Kannada.

[Vilander]

On 7/18/2017 at 9:13 PM, rageaddict said:

One Kannadiga gave an explanation to me that " Will they accept Kannadiga in Delhi Metro,  then why should we accept Hindi in Bangalore Metro?  "

 

Bunch of retards who think that there regional languages are on par with Hindi. 

Hindi is a regional language too, pretty primitive and limited in utility at that. Learn English or better south Indian languages if you want to live and work in south India.

[G_B_]

The point is if you are the person imposing your language. How exactly are you in a position tell a bigger entity not to impose their language?

 

Goa has konkani as it's first language yet have never clamped down on Marathi

 

 

Take namma metro. The station names were proper nouns which meant they were literally the same in Hindi and Marathi. Are you saying the Karnataka is denying the rights of the largest linguistic minority in the state?

 

Don't the people of dakshina Karnataka realise there are speakers of other languages who have historically lived in the state for centuries in the north of the state? Where is the unity in diversity argument within the state?

 

Plenty of RSS heads like Hegde hailed from this region. Narsimnha Rao was a fluent Marathi speaker. Karnataka and Telangana cannot do linguistic politics. They are just not linguistically homogenous enough.

 

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[Vilander]

1 minute ago, G_B_ said:

The point is if you are the person imposing your language. How exactly are you in a position tell a bigger entity not to impose their language?

 

Goa has konkani as it's first language yet have never clamped down on Marathi

 

 

Take namma metro. The station names were proper nouns which meant they were literally the same in Hindi and Marathi. Are you saying the Karnataka is denying the rights of the largest linguistic minority in the state?

 

Don't the people of dakshina Karnataka realise there are speakers of other languages who have historically lived in the state for centuries in the north of the state? Where is the unity in diversity argument within the state?

 

Plenty of RSS heads like Hegde hailed from this region. Narsimnha Rao was a fluent Marathi speaker. Karnataka and Telangana cannot do linguistic politics. They are just not linguistically homogenous enough.

 

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the point is if you are the person supporting imposition of a larger agglomeration of tribal's language on a smaller entity of statehood. How exactly are you in a position tell a smaller entity of statehood not to impose their language on a even smaller one?

[nikred]

Not much of a problem here in Telangana. For a dialect with decent influence of urdu, we are not bothered I guess about "imposition" of hindi in our state.

 

But if an average north Indian living in Telangana expects everyone to converse with them in hindi deserve a smack under their ear to get them back to reality.

 

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