Who are the big match players in indian team?

[Rasgulla]

8 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

Choosing to come up the batting order in the final when dew is set (when you've done nothing for India all tournament) ahead of the player of the tournament smells of a cowards last chance grab for glory that ended up good. Real hero of the final was gambhir, just he didn't have Srini mama backing him for rest of his career to cover up for his decline in form 

There is a big difference between reaching finals and winning it.. keep your blind hate yourself. We lost many matches before in situations like that in Bi-series. Gambhir and Dhoni partnership was important when India was 114 for 3 they put on 100+ partnership and Dhoni didn't threw away wicket like Gambhir did on 97. While gawddd CHOKED like he always does in Finals even Virat did well to build a partnership at very young age. I doubt even srini mama can back someone when he got back to back pairs in England tour. Looked so hopeless that English commies are taking a piss out of him. 

[speedheat]

Choosing to come up the batting order in the final when dew is set (when you've done nothing for India all tournament) ahead of the player of the tournament smells of a cowards last chance grab for glory that ended up good. Real hero of the final was gambhir, just he didn't have Srini mama backing him for rest of his career to cover up for his decline in form 

 

Agreed, that knock by dhoni was a fluke, apart from that I haven't seen a single knock by him in ICC trophys under crunch situation, well mister selfish always have had the habit of stealing a spotlight from a genuine contenders like UV, kohli etc.

 

[Rasgulla]

Let's compare Virat vs Sachin when India won on the day or we were knocked out in 21st centuary.

 

2002 CT final - 7*(22) Glad it was rained out or he would have done another Gavaskar with them tuk tuks while Sehwag was blasting away over 100+ SR on other end.

2003 WC Finals  - 4(5) - sachin choked

2006 CT  - 10(26) when India needed a win - Sachin choked again (CT in India)

2007 WC BD exit - 7(26) - Sachin Extra choke  

 

 *Legend Virat makes his debut in 2008* 

 

WC 2011 Final we all know 18 runs vs 35 crutial runs fror the young gun + built a partnership with Gambhir and Dhoni did rest of the job with Gambhir. Another Choke for sachin.

 

* Great day for Ind cricket when he retired from Odis in 2012* End of selfish ERA Begging of Golden era. 

 

CT2013 Final - Virat highest score on a tough pitch with 40+ Runs - We WON

 

WCT20 2014 Final-  Brillant 77(58)

WC 2015 SF - Had an off day 1 Run

WCT20 2016 SF - Another Brilliant 89(47)

CT 2017 - 5(9) Captaincy pressure and He reached Finals in his first go as captain. Ignoring the mighty legend Dhoni who won.

 

So This proves Virat is already a Better match winner than Sachin can ever be.

 

Sachin choked 5/5 times whereas Kohli delivered for India 4/6 Times. 

 

There is no comparison between them. Kohli owns him 

 

 

 

 

[mancalledsting]

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

There is a big difference between reaching finals and winning it.. keep your blind hate yourself. We lost many matches before in situations like that in Bi-series. Gambhir and Dhoni partnership was important when India was 114 for 3 they put on 100+ partnership and Dhoni didn't threw away wicket like Gambhir did on 97. While gawddd CHOKED like he always does in Finals even Virat did well to build a partnership at very young age. I doubt even srini mama can back someone when he got back to back pairs in England tour. Looked so hopeless that English commies are taking a piss out of him. 

My point is that the final was there for the taking: dew was setting in, Patta of a wankhede wicket, high totals regularly chased in that ground. Yuvi was player of the tournament...all MSD did was put Indias guaranteed victory under threat in the pursuit of personal glory (he had a horrible tournament up to that point). I remember being furious at the time that he promoted himself -what was the justification for this??? Look at his ICC tournament record - apart from some cameo knocks in the 2007 wt20, it speaks for itself 

 

sachin in played at the top order where ball moves about a bit and dew hadn't set in. Can't compare them directly in that match.

 

gambhir despite his poking tactics will always be and has always been a better pure batsman than dhoni. He plays at the top of the order in test cricket where technique is exposed the most- a lot tougher than playing down the order where dhoni does. If political backing can save dhonis captaincy you after an 8-0 then it can also have helped gambhir during his decline. Boycott said "rubbish" because he was always butt hurt about his success and was estactic to see the decline is his batting 

Edited October 26, 2017 by mancalledsting

[beetle]

The bowlers.

[speedster]

On 10/25/2017 at 9:45 PM, Vijy said:

Dhawan - yes, Dhoni - No, Ashwin - emphatically No (in ODIs), Pandya - too early to call. Most of our players are ABDVs in finals... god-awful chokers.

God awful chokers huh?.. Nothing beats the self-righteous anger of the arm chair critic.. 

[RAZPOR]

On 10/25/2017 at 4:55 PM, Shaz1 said:

Krunal Pandya

he will be once he gets into the team.

[Rasgulla]

5 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

My point is that the final was there for the taking: dew was setting in, Patta of a wankhede wicket, high totals regularly chased in that ground. Yuvi was player of the tournament...all MSD did was put Indias guaranteed victory under threat in the pursuit of personal glory (he had a horrible tournament up to that point). I remember being furious at the time that he promoted himself -what was the justification for this??? Look at his ICC tournament record - apart from some cameo knocks in the 2007 wt20, it speaks for itself 

 

sachin in played at the top order where ball moves about a bit and dew hadn't set in. Can't compare them directly in that match.

 

gambhir despite his poking tactics will always be and has always been a better pure batsman than dhoni. He plays at the top of the order in test cricket where technique is exposed the most- a lot tougher than playing down the order where dhoni does. If political backing can save dhonis captaincy you after an 8-0 then it can also have helped gambhir during his decline. Boycott said "rubbish" because he was always butt hurt about his success and was estactic to see the decline is his batting 

Why would Boycott be so jealous of mighty Gautham gambhir ? Dude please... It's easy to play in powerplay with 2 fielders outside than coming in pressure situations at 4 5 6. So you are telling me sachin can't handle swing in those 5 different occasions ? What excuse are you going to give for rest of his flops in other ICC events like pointed above. Top order batsmen atleast have time to settle down and score slowly that's not the case for middle order and it was told million times why he was promoted. Murli was bowling on other end and we all know how good yuvi is against offspinner and he is coming off A duck from previous match. It would be better for a Right handed batsmen to face murli than lefty... Dhoni did do well when ever he got a chance to bat even in 2015 WC not sure what world you are living in... Till 2011 in wankade (WCs) teams batting first have won 4 of 6 times And 2 of 3 times in 2011 WC itself. Teams batting first won 12/21 times than Teams batting secord overall. Might as well do bit of research before assuming things. If politically speaking winning a WC saved him from that so called 8 - 0 and then we went on to win 2013 CT later on when we got rid of dead wood like sachin and co. 

Edited October 26, 2017 by Rasgulla

[sarcastic]

6 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

My point is that the final was there for the taking: dew was setting in, Patta of a wankhede wicket, high totals regularly chased in that ground. Yuvi was player of the tournament...all MSD did was put Indias guaranteed victory under threat in the pursuit of personal glory (he had a horrible tournament up to that point). I remember being furious at the time that he promoted himself -what was the justification for this??? Look at his ICC tournament record - apart from some cameo knocks in the 2007 wt20, it speaks for itself 

 

sachin in played at the top order where ball moves about a bit and dew hadn't set in. Can't compare them directly in that match.

 

gambhir despite his poking tactics will always be and has always been a better pure batsman than dhoni. He plays at the top of the order in test cricket where technique is exposed the most- a lot tougher than playing down the order where dhoni does. If political backing can save dhonis captaincy you after an 8-0 then it can also have helped gambhir during his decline. Boycott said "rubbish" because he was always butt hurt about his success and was estactic to see the decline is his batting 

Your post was very very good until you made this last remark. That video where Boycott said "rubbish", GG was indeed rubbish. It was a very fair comment made even before GG played his first ball. And the way GG played the first ball and got out, he just vindicated the statement made by Boycott in the comm box (which off course GG would not have heard until he is back to pavilion n watched the replays/comm etc). Boycott was praising Vijay just a second before calling GG rubbish. There is no two words that GG did a lot to team India than many (or perhaps any) other batsmen as far as WC and WT20 success is concerned but he was playing like "rubbish" at the time of that England series. 

Edited October 26, 2017 by sarcastic

[wanted_desi]

No one. It used to be:

 

Gambhir

Laxman

Dravid

 

[Khota]

I can tell you who is not -dhoni.

[Khota]

7 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Dhoni is a champion batsmen a champion leader. With him in your side you have won many major events for India. This dude is indeed a big match player. 

You are correct if you change is to was.

[gakgupta]

On 10/26/2017 at 1:23 AM, mancalledsting said:

Kohli isn't a big match player? kya rubbish ppl spout on here sometimes

 

as a youngster thrust into the team early- he made a significant batting contribution to India winning the 2011 WC final

in CT2013 final he was our top scorer

again in 2014 Wt20 final he was our top scorer in the final and was really unlucky to end up on the wrong team

in 2016 Wt20 quarter final he played one of the best t20 knocks ever to almost single handedly take us through to the semi final and again in our semi final loss in the same tournament- he was our top scorer

 

what more does he need to do to be considered a big match player....perform in the world gulee danda final?

Last world cup...he looked like pussy and played a aweful shot to get out... <In semi-finals against Australia>

recently concluded CT final against Pakistan....he played a over-aggressive shot to get out (I believe, it came out of anxiety/stress)....

I am big kohli fan but this is just my observations....when the back against the wall in big matches, he failed miserably (assuming that he is the best ODI batsmen world has ever seen, esp, chasing mammoth totals)

[Gollum]

Before 2015 we had many including Kohli, Ashwin, right now zero. We are the new SA. 

[mancalledsting]

13 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

Why would Boycott be so jealous of mighty Gautham gambhir ? Dude please... It's easy to play in powerplay with 2 fielders outside than coming in pressure situations at 4 5 6. So you are telling me sachin can't handle swing in those 5 different occasions ? What excuse are you going to give for rest of his flops in other ICC events like pointed above. Top order batsmen atleast have time to settle down and score slowly that's not the case for middle order and it was told million times why he was promoted. Murli was bowling on other end and we all know how good yuvi is against offspinner and he is coming off A duck from previous match. It would be better for a Right handed batsmen to face murli than lefty... Dhoni did do well when ever he got a chance to bat even in 2015 WC not sure what world you are living in... Till 2011 in wankade (WCs) teams batting first have won 4 of 6 times And 2 of 3 times in 2011 WC itself. Teams batting first won 12/21 times than Teams batting secord overall. Might as well do bit of research before assuming things. If politically speaking winning a WC saved him from that so called 8 - 0 and then we went on to win 2013 CT later on when we got rid of dead wood like sachin and co. 

Lol at you trying to talk like an expert when you clearly know squat.

 

Up until Gambhir's decline he had a phenomenal record as opener,  a 50 plus batting average as an opener in tests, something Boycott didn't end his career with. Gambhir had fantastic record in Odis and tests against most oppositions home or away. He was also a clutch player in tournaments, especially finals. Boycott being an ex opener with his huge pride and ego is the biggest candidate to get butt hurt by gautis achievements before his decline. His rubbish comment was full of venom.

 

lol at easy to play as an opener, especially against Malinga. Do you realise that Sehwag fell victim to the same player due to the new ball movement that was on offer during the first ten overs of the match? I guess sehwag couldn't handle playing in the easy power play either...thank God for MS Chewty. Also are you denying that playing in the middle order when dew is set is not the easiest time to bat in international cricket? 

 

Yuvi came off a duck in the previous match....he was player of the tournament FFS, if that's the rationale behind MS tactics then it shows him to be a horrible captain who undermines his best player because of one performance. Did you see that ball from Wahab Riaz...it was a ripper, you don't blame the batsmen in those situations, you just praise the bowler. On the other hand in this same match MS played a tuk tuk performance at lower strike rate than Raina. Again this left handed player against off spin rubbish....that's about as much tactical acumen as MS can come up with. 

 

regrading the Wankhede, the figures you are referring to are predominantly from the old wankhede before refurbishment- look at its history following refurbishment as that's more like the conditions the game was played in. Of the 2 other 2011 WC games at the same venue where the team won batting first, one of those games was NZ vs Canada....are we getting that desperate to defend MSD that you have to use NZ restricting the mighty Canada whilst chasing as evidence to support your case?

 

winning World Cup doesn't save you from 8-0, unless your srini's b.tch

[mancalledsting]

13 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Your post was very very good until you made this last remark. That video where Boycott said "rubbish", GG was indeed rubbish. It was a very fair comment made even before GG played his first ball. And the way GG played the first ball and got out, he just vindicated the statement made by Boycott in the comm box (which off course GG would not have heard until he is back to pavilion n watched the replays/comm etc). Boycott was praising Vijay just a second before calling GG rubbish. There is no two words that GG did a lot to team India than many (or perhaps any) other batsmen as far as WC and WT20 success is concerned but he was playing like "rubbish" at the time of that England series. 

Direct quote"

 

"He can't bat in England, I've seen him play nearly all his 50 test matches, flat decks in India where ball doesn't bounce, it doesn't do much"

 

Boycott's comments were not just confined to that match but he made a sweeping indictment of his whole career. Conveniently forgetting his good record in NZ and SA. Also making a big deal about not being able to bat in England again conveniently forgetting that Gauti was unable to bat in India at the time either.

 

[Khota]

32 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

He still captains your team. You can't deny he plays a big role in your success in ODI's.

No he does not. He is a drag with u = infinity.

[Rasgulla]

2 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

Lol at you trying to talk like an expert when you clearly know squat.

 

Up until Gambhir's decline he had a phenomenal record as opener,  a 50 plus batting average as an opener in tests, something Boycott didn't end his career with. Gambhir had fantastic record in Odis and tests against most oppositions home or away. He was also a clutch player in tournaments, especially finals. Boycott being an ex opener with his huge pride and ego is the biggest candidate to get butt hurt by gautis achievements before his decline. His rubbish comment was full of venom.

 

lol at easy to play as an opener, especially against Malinga. Do you realise that Sehwag fell victim to the same player due to the new ball movement that was on offer during the first ten overs of the match? I guess sehwag couldn't handle playing in the easy power play either...thank God for MS Chewty. Also are you denying that playing in the middle order when dew is set is not the easiest time to bat in international cricket? 

 

Yuvi came off a duck in the previous match....he was player of the tournament FFS, if that's the rationale behind MS tactics then it shows him to be a horrible captain who undermines his best player because of one performance. Did you see that ball from Wahab Riaz...it was a ripper, you don't blame the batsmen in those situations, you just praise the bowler. On the other hand in this same match MS played a tuk tuk performance at lower strike rate than Raina. Again this left handed player against off spin rubbish....that's about as much tactical acumen as MS can come up with. 

 

regrading the Wankhede, the figures you are referring to are predominantly from the old wankhede before refurbishment- look at its history following refurbishment as that's more like the conditions the game was played in. Of the 2 other 2011 WC games at the same venue where the team won batting first, one of those games was NZ vs Canada....are we getting that desperate to defend MSD that you have to use NZ restricting the mighty Canada whilst chasing as evidence to support your case?

 

winning World Cup doesn't save you from 8-0, unless your srini's b.tch

I never claimed to be a expert. If that's your response for Stats and findings listed above then it's clear you got nothing to back it up. Just because boycott doesn't have same or better stats than gambhir means he is jealous of him. Did gambhir kill his dog or something ? According to that logic Sanjay doesn't have better stats than jaddu so you are saying he shouldn't even do any annlaysis ? 

 

Not sure who is full of venom here when a guy from his own country calls his ex/captain "MS.chewty" compared to that what boycott said is nothing. Which you probably would have shamelessly celebrated when he hit that 6. Dhoni was man of the match in Finals not Gambhir. Sehwag is Sehwag either it works or not. We can afford to have a player like him as an opener not a tuk tuk machine with flops in critical match like sachin. Just like I thought you ignored the main point about Murli and how bad yuvi is against him. Now we are coming with excuses like Ripper and all that. I am sure we can give some kind of excuse for rest of them as well. I provided whole stats from Day one till this day. It still shows batting first has won more. It's not my fault you want to view nz match and ignore rest 23 matches. Winning a WC will save you from anything. Getting rid of dead wood like sachin helps you winning CT as well which India did next year. 

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

You will miss Dhoni when he leave cricket.

We will miss him like a hooker misses her virginity.

[mancalledsting]

7 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

I never claimed to be a expert. If that's your response for Stats and findings listed above then it's clear you got nothing to back it up. Just because boycott doesn't have same or better stats than gambhir means he is jealous of him. Did gambhir kill his dog or something ? According to that logic Sanjay doesn't have better stats than jaddu so you are saying he shouldn't even do any annlaysis ? 

 

Not sure who is full of venom here when a guy from his own country calls his ex/captain "MS.chewty" compared to that what boycott said is nothing. Which you probably would have shamelessly celebrated when he hit that 6. Dhoni was man of the match in Finals not Gambhir. Sehwag is Sehwag either it works or not. We can afford to have a player like him as an opener not a tuk tuk machine with flops in critical match like sachin. Just like I thought you ignored the main point about Murli and how bad yuvi is against him. Now we are coming with excuses like Ripper and all that. I am sure we can give some kind of excuse for rest of them as well. I provided whole stats from Day one till this day. It still shows batting first has won more. It's not my fault you want to view nz match and ignore rest 23 matches. Winning a WC will save you from anything. Getting rid of dead wood like sachin helps you winning CT as well which India did next year. 

Lol, your so proud of your stats but not realising that your interpretation skills are horrible. Am I supposed to accept that Wankhede is not a chasing wicket based on data from 1987 and 1996 world cups? Do you still believe in the Soviet Union? 

 

Why would Boycott go out of his way to denigrate all of gambhirs career achievements? Scholarly criticism? 

 

Agree I have venom for MSD, he and Srini tried to hijack Indian cricket for personal monentary gain, guilty as charged. 

 

Who awarded man of the match in the final to MSD- consensus vote would be gambhir when looking objectively. 

 

On to your precious main point about Yuvraj not coping with Murli, yeah he struggled against him from time to time but he also won player of the series in 2009 ODI series in Sri Lanka in Murli's favoured home conditions where he is normally deadly. This combined with him being player of the tournament in WC2011- shows he was clearly the man for the job.

 

winning WC saves you from anything? So just because you win an ODI tournament, it gives you immunity from shamelessly flopping in the test cricket? Shall we now put Chepu into the ODI/t20 team based on his superlative test performances? 

 

Can't find footage of Riaz's ball vs yuvraj. Found an almost identical ball that Riaz bowled to Franklin months earlier. Notice how the commentators (who are ex cricketers) praise the bowler and don't blame the batsmen at all- they even used the same term 'ripper' which is synonymous with unplayable- and no you won't be able to find excuses for other batsmen in that match (good attempt at trying to weasel your way out though)