velu Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: Only 1 opener did that over such a long career span, everywhere else it was no.3 or lower who tended to avg higher on account of the NO innings. I'll let you guess that person's name. i will club openers and #3 slot together .. comparing TOP #3 , with lower order is illogical .. mean we can compare the averages of sachin with kohli and lara .. but we cant compare the average of sachin with dhoni/bevan you know i would rate dhoni higher , but i wont say dhoni is a better batsmen than sachin because of his higehr average .. but if i rate kohli higher than sachin , i would consider kohli's superior average .. only 2/3 lower order batsmen have averages closer or higher than 50 .. they are smart enough not to gift their wickets Link to comment
velu Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, R!TTER said: I don't rate any of them higher than Sachin, a career spanning 4 decades, late 80's till nearly mid 2010 isn't something gets overtaken in a matter of one decade. In that sense Kohli still has to finish his career before we can stack their numbers against one another, but like I said SRT has 3 great WC performances while Kohli has 0 atm. If he can get anywhere close to the best, Viv & SRT, in the next 2 WC & help us win at least 1 then he can't lay a claim to the GOAT in ODI - atm it's a tossup between Viv & Sachin, depending on who you support. Avg isn't everything, surely after watching the last game, which we lost, or the one at Lord's you'd know that. if wc performance is also a criteria , then scoring in the finals too should be considered .. i would rate kohli greater than sachin ( in ODIs ) and viv as well .. kohli is the don bradman of ODI cricket ( sounds like another good title ) Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, R!TTER said: And you know why that is, same reason why openers in test cricket avg less than players @3 or below. It isn't rocket science, the new ball is still the most potent weapon against any batter, especially when he's new at the crease. Well there's AB who's avg above 60 & striking close to 120 in the last few years, so there's that. At one point you said, 2 new balls have increased the scoring rate. Now you are changing goal posts to new ball is more dangerous. Come on pick one. Which is it . New ball is the easier to score especially in Asian countries. And in Eng, he came down at no.4 in the 90s where they used red ball cricket in ODIs. I have been watching cricket since India's tour to Aus in 92. I have video footage on youtube if you dont believe me. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, velu said: i will club openers and #3 slot together .. comparing TOP #3 , with lower order is illogical .. mean we can compare the averages of sachin with kohli and lara .. but we cant compare the average of sachin with dhoni/bevan you know i would rate dhoni higher , but i wont say dhoni is a better batsmen than sachin because of his higehr average .. but if i rate kohli higher than sachin , i would consider kohli's superior average .. only 2/3 lower order batsmen have averages closer or higher than 50 .. they are smart enough not to gift their wickets Sure that's your prerogative but it still doesn't take away from the fact that openers tend to have lower avg than no.3 precisely because they face the new ball. Kohli came in early last innings, you know his score. You can also check his avg when he's come in the PP &/or the opening partnership has been abysmally low. Compare that when the opener have done even a semi decent job, 100% sure he avg batter when the top 2 have put runs on board. I didn't do that, someone too bright who thought avg would be the best way to gauge players, on the last page did. The avg does tell a clear picture though - batting has become easier, much easier after the 2 new ball era. The avg has gone up by 5-15 for the leading batters, whilst S/R is up by 10-20 for some. Reverse swing & finger spin are totally out the game, you can guess how the likes of Murali or even Warne would struggle today! If you still think runs scored after Oct 2011 are comparable to 2 decades back, good luck to you but I don't. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: At one point you said, 2 new balls have increased the scoring rate. Now you are changing goal posts to new ball is more dangerous. Come on pick one. Which is it . New ball is the easier to score especially in Asian countries. And in Eng, he came down at no.4 in the 90s where they used red ball cricket in ODIs. I have been watching cricket since India's tour to Aus in 92. I have video footage on youtube if you dont believe me. If you don't understand the effect of reverse swing/spin due to old ball then don't bother with these circular arguments & not with me. New ball is hard to start your innings against, that is the one thing that matters more for openers however the flat pitches have ensured that it's rarely a threat these days. Unless of course you'll come up with gems like 481(?) by England was a fluke & had nothing to do with 2 new balls. Just to make it clear, so that you don't bother me again - its due to 2 new balls+flat wickets that scoring is rather easy now than it ever was. If we're being pedantic, T20 effect as well. Edited January 15, 2019 by R!TTER Stan AF 1 Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, R!TTER said: If you don't understand the effect of reverse swing/spin due to old ball then don't bother with these circular arguments & not with me. New ball is hard to start your innings against, that is the one thing that matters more for openers however the flat pitches have ensured that it's rarely a threat these days. Unless of course you'll come up with gems like 481(?) by England was a fluke & had nothing to do with 2 new balls. WTF you went from 2 new balls is good for batting, then to new ball is more dangerous to old ball is more dangerous with reverse swing/spin. Look I know you are a sachin fan but you are the one making circular arguments. Jeez Cricketics 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Are you really that dumb or do you like to troll for fun? Two new balls on flat pitches is easy, most of the times - SCORECARD Is that so hard to understand, you know what happens on juicy tracks - SCORECARD Starting against new ball is never easy, that's why most openers avg less than no.3 or below - get that in your head & stop bothering me with your petulance! Edited January 15, 2019 by R!TTER Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 FYI Ad hominem attacks is the sign of a weak argument. In my little argument with you, I have never said your dumb but you have. Lets conclude this before it gets nasty. We've all had a say in the vote. And its plain to see. No I'm not trolling..... this time at least Cheers Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 434, 412, were happening when single ball was used.New ball is easiest to bat and openers in odis have the most chances to score too. This nonsense that Sachin had to face some swing and seam bowling with new ball so he averaged 44 and which will be equal to 60 of Kohli. What was Sachin averaging when he batted at no4 ????? Answer is mighty 38.04, people can come up with more ridiculous reasons. Scoring has increased because of t20s, yes lack of reverse swing is factor but it is not the sole reason for scoring increase. Real McCoy 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi there & welcome to my ignore list View overall figures [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Oct 2011 Batting position between 1 and 2 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2019 108 107 14 5634 264 60.58 6025 93.51 20 25 4 529 187 IR Bell (ENG) 2012-2015 49 49 5 2107 141 47.88 2521 83.57 3 16 1 221 17 HM Amla (SA) 2011-2018 118 117 6 5229 159 47.10 5949 87.89 18 22 4 542 40 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2011-2019 109 108 11 4532 237* 46.72 5083 89.15 13 23 10 470 121 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2019 112 111 6 4898 137 46.64 5140 95.29 15 24 3 615 62 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2011-2018 83 81 8 3397 132 46.53 4429 76.69 8 25 6 359 38 TM Dilshan (SL) 2011-2016 116 113 11 4674 161* 45.82 5511 84.81 12 24 5 532 20 DA Warner (AUS) 2011-2018 98 96 3 4216 179 45.33 4355 96.80 14 16 1 444 65 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2018 95 95 5 4049 178 44.98 4271 94.80 13 17 2 464 58 JJ Roy (ENG) 2015-2018 69 69 2 2536 180 37.85 2433 104.23 6 12 7 299 42 AJ Finch (AUS) 2013-2019 95 92 1 3410 148 37.47 3824 89.17 11 18 7 355 74 Ahmed Shehzad (PAK) 2013-2017 62 62 0 2128 124 34.32 2908 73.17 4 14 5 217 12 WU Tharanga (SL) 2011-2018 72 70 4 2061 174* 31.22 2628 78.42 3 11 5 250 25 View overall figures [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Oct 2011 Batting position equal to 3 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli (INDIA) 2011-2019 124 123 24 6821 183 68.89 7058 96.64 29 26 8 641 90 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 59 57 11 2811 133* 61.10 3112 90.32 9 18 1 238 23 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2011-2015 96 94 9 4522 169 53.20 5238 86.33 14 26 5 430 41 F du Plessis (SA) 2012-2018 72 70 7 3330 185 52.85 3794 87.77 9 21 3 287 38 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2018 54 53 6 2472 164 52.59 2911 84.91 7 15 3 213 21 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2019 97 96 7 4489 145* 50.43 5272 85.14 9 32 2 428 38 View overall figures [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Oct 2011 Batting position equal to 4 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2011-2019 101 97 20 4642 181* 60.28 5502 84.36 16 25 3 382 55 AB de Villiers (SA) 2012-2018 65 61 7 2907 176 53.83 2714 107.11 8 15 1 231 64 EJG Morgan (ENG) 2012-2018 60 56 7 2323 113 47.40 2427 95.71 4 16 2 207 67 Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH) 2011-2018 72 69 10 2628 144 44.54 3198 82.17 5 18 2 214 41 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 57 54 6 2012 121 41.91 2512 80.09 4 10 3 140 15 LD Chandimal (SL) 2011-2018 76 70 9 2267 102 37.16 3084 73.50 2 17 4 142 21 View overall figures [change view] Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Oct 2011 Batting position equal to 5 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 12 of 12 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2012-2017 35 34 14 1719 162* 85.95 1517 113.31 5 10 1 152 43 AD Mathews (SL) 2012-2018 76 69 20 2502 139* 51.06 2938 85.15 1 21 5 217 40 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2012-2019 38 30 7 1093 134 47.52 1227 89.07 1 8 1 76 28 Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2011-2015 38 36 8 1292 96* 46.14 1668 77.45 0 11 2 81 28 DA Miller (SA) 2013-2018 35 33 8 1149 139 45.96 1131 101.59 3 3 3 87 31 Shoaib Malik (PAK) 2011-2018 42 40 12 1280 101* 45.71 1432 89.38 1 9 1 92 33 BA Stokes (ENG) 2014-2018 45 40 8 1371 102* 42.84 1484 92.38 3 7 2 118 36 Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) 2011-2018 58 52 6 1677 114 36.45 1848 90.74 2 14 2 155 15 SK Raina (INDIA) 2011-2018 67 58 9 1769 110* 36.10 1894 93.40 2 11 5 157 32 SC Williams (ZIM) 2013-2018 40 39 6 1187 80 35.96 1300 91.30 0 12 3 103 15 GJ Maxwell (AUS) 2013-2017 36 32 1 1050 102 33.87 857 122.52 1 7 4 112 29 EJG Morgan (ENG) 2012-2018 74 67 10 1866 124* 32.73 2103 88.73 3 9 7 141 57 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, putrevus said: 434, 412, were happening when single ball was used.New ball is easiest to bat and openers in odis have the most chances to score too. This nonsense that Sachin had to face some swing and seam bowling with new ball so he averaged 44 and which will be equal to 60 of Kohli. What was Sachin averaging when he batted at no4 ????? Answer is mighty 38.04, people can come up with more ridiculous reasons. Scoring has increased because of t20s, yes lack of reverse swing is factor but it is not the sole reason for scoring increase. Factors contributing to score increase in order 1. T20Is - batsmen are simply better at strokemaking and playing pace. 2. 2 new balls - most of the time scoring was slowed because of old ball. 3. Powerplays 4. Lack of swing and seam 5. Reverse swing - this is least influencing factor Modern batsmen are simply far superior on flat tracks, but at similar or lower levels in conditions which assist bowlers a bit in ODIs. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, putrevus said: what are you talking?? Kohli is far greater odi player because he averages 60 vs 44 and he scores 100s with ridiculous ease. Sachin the test player was very good, his peak average was 59 which Kohli is yet to reach.I will take Kohli over Sachin in tests too but he cannot go down as better test player if he quits today.Odis it is a different story Sachin is no match to Kohli. People come up with all nonsensical theories on how Sachin faced better attacks or played on more bowler friendly tracks in odis , that is all nonsense, Kohli has done more on spicy pitches than Sachin ever could do in odis. Only thing left for Kohli is having a big world cup. Examples? Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Other SRT peaks. View overall figures [change view] Start of match date between 1 Jan 1996 and 31 Dec 2003 Batting position between 1 and 2 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 19 of 19 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1996-2003 182 179 13 8436 186* 50.81 9455 89.22 29 37 5 CH Gayle (WI) 2000-2003 67 65 2 2884 153* 45.77 3573 80.71 7 19 4 ML Hayden (AUS) 2000-2003 58 58 9 2226 146 45.42 2736 81.35 2 13 3 ME Waugh (AUS) 1996-2002 136 136 11 5421 173 43.36 7093 76.42 14 29 8 SC Ganguly (INDIA) 1996-2003 193 189 13 7560 183 42.95 10156 74.43 19 44 9 G Kirsten (SA) 1996-2003 150 150 15 5782 188* 42.82 7763 74.48 12 39 10 Saeed Anwar (PAK) 1996-2003 151 151 12 5785 194 41.61 7117 81.28 12 30 8 NV Knight (ENG) 1996-2003 92 92 9 3345 125* 40.30 4572 73.16 5 23 6 MS Atapattu (SL) 1997-2003 76 76 9 2698 124 40.26 3903 69.12 6 16 3 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2001-2003 59 59 4 2176 130 39.56 2250 96.71 6 9 6 ME Trescothick (ENG) 2000-2003 75 75 3 2700 137 37.50 3137 86.06 6 15 8 HH Gibbs (SA) 1996-2003 130 129 10 4420 153 37.14 5349 82.63 12 18 13 ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1996-2003 215 214 10 7490 189 36.71 8085 92.64 15 45 16 AC Gilchrist (AUS) 1998-2003 152 152 2 5363 154 35.75 5720 93.75 9 32 7 ADR Campbell (ZIM) 1996-2003 76 76 3 2571 124 35.21 3754 68.48 6 14 2 NJ Astle (NZ) 1996-2003 148 145 7 4807 122* 34.83 6536 73.54 11 29 13 GW Flower (ZIM) 1996-2003 108 108 3 3584 140 34.13 5195 68.98 4 21 8 RS Kaluwitharana (SL) 1996-2003 111 110 5 2782 102* 26.49 3527 78.87 2 22 15 Shahid Afridi (PAK) 1996-2003 123 123 1 3030 109 24.83 3112 97.36 2 20 10 View overall figures [change view] Start of match date between 1 Jan 2008 and 31 Dec 2011 Batting position between 1 and 2 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s HM Amla (SA) 2008-2011 49 49 4 2513 140 55.84 2713 92.62 8 15 1 249 13 SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 2008-2011 46 45 4 2149 200* 52.41 2311 92.99 7 8 1 234 24 SR Watson (AUS) 2008-2011 71 70 6 3100 185* 48.43 3297 94.02 6 18 4 335 76 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2008-2011 62 61 2 2794 219 47.35 2271 123.02 7 12 2 381 61 TM Dilshan (SL) 2008-2011 68 68 5 2812 160 44.63 2920 96.30 9 11 3 362 21 WU Tharanga (SL) 2008-2011 63 62 6 2176 133 38.85 2934 74.16 6 11 8 252 13 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2008-2011 88 88 1 2660 154 30.57 3213 82.78 3 16 12 298 36 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 brilliant performance from Kohli... that too chasing ... One or 2 brilliant World cup series including knock outs.... then it would make it very tight a contest between these 2. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Other SRT peaks. View overall figures [change view] Start of match date between 1 Jan 1996 and 31 Dec 2003 Batting position between 1 and 2 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 19 of 19 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1996-2003 182 179 13 8436 186* 50.81 9455 89.22 29 37 5 CH Gayle (WI) 2000-2003 67 65 2 2884 153* 45.77 3573 80.71 7 19 4 ML Hayden (AUS) 2000-2003 58 58 9 2226 146 45.42 2736 81.35 2 13 3 ME Waugh (AUS) 1996-2002 136 136 11 5421 173 43.36 7093 76.42 14 29 8 SC Ganguly (INDIA) 1996-2003 193 189 13 7560 183 42.95 10156 74.43 19 44 9 G Kirsten (SA) 1996-2003 150 150 15 5782 188* 42.82 7763 74.48 12 39 10 Saeed Anwar (PAK) 1996-2003 151 151 12 5785 194 41.61 7117 81.28 12 30 8 NV Knight (ENG) 1996-2003 92 92 9 3345 125* 40.30 4572 73.16 5 23 6 MS Atapattu (SL) 1997-2003 76 76 9 2698 124 40.26 3903 69.12 6 16 3 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2001-2003 59 59 4 2176 130 39.56 2250 96.71 6 9 6 ME Trescothick (ENG) 2000-2003 75 75 3 2700 137 37.50 3137 86.06 6 15 8 HH Gibbs (SA) 1996-2003 130 129 10 4420 153 37.14 5349 82.63 12 18 13 ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1996-2003 215 214 10 7490 189 36.71 8085 92.64 15 45 16 AC Gilchrist (AUS) 1998-2003 152 152 2 5363 154 35.75 5720 93.75 9 32 7 ADR Campbell (ZIM) 1996-2003 76 76 3 2571 124 35.21 3754 68.48 6 14 2 NJ Astle (NZ) 1996-2003 148 145 7 4807 122* 34.83 6536 73.54 11 29 13 GW Flower (ZIM) 1996-2003 108 108 3 3584 140 34.13 5195 68.98 4 21 8 RS Kaluwitharana (SL) 1996-2003 111 110 5 2782 102* 26.49 3527 78.87 2 22 15 Shahid Afridi (PAK) 1996-2003 123 123 1 3030 109 24.83 3112 97.36 2 20 10 View overall figures [change view] Start of match date between 1 Jan 2008 and 31 Dec 2011 Batting position between 1 and 2 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s HM Amla (SA) 2008-2011 49 49 4 2513 140 55.84 2713 92.62 8 15 1 249 13 SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 2008-2011 46 45 4 2149 200* 52.41 2311 92.99 7 8 1 234 24 SR Watson (AUS) 2008-2011 71 70 6 3100 185* 48.43 3297 94.02 6 18 4 335 76 V Sehwag (INDIA) 2008-2011 62 61 2 2794 219 47.35 2271 123.02 7 12 2 381 61 TM Dilshan (SL) 2008-2011 68 68 5 2812 160 44.63 2920 96.30 9 11 3 362 21 WU Tharanga (SL) 2008-2011 63 62 6 2176 133 38.85 2934 74.16 6 11 8 252 13 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2008-2011 88 88 1 2660 154 30.57 3213 82.78 3 16 12 298 36 surprised not to see Lara in that list Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Factors contributing to score increase in order 1. T20Is - batsmen are simply better at strokemaking and playing pace. 2. 2 new balls - most of the time scoring was slowed because of old ball. 3. Powerplays 4. Lack of swing and seam 5. Reverse swing - this is least influencing factor Modern batsmen are simply far superior on flat tracks, but at similar or lower levels in conditions which assist bowlers a bit in ODIs. 1.Powerplays were there during Sachin's time too. 2.Balls were changed then also after 34 overs.Except it was changed due to slightly older but harder ball. 3.T20s is one of main reason why scoring has increased .Dots ball are seen as crime now.Sachin's typical innings was start fast then come to slow grind as he reached his hundred. 4.Rohit and Root will go down as one of the better players in odis so them having very impressive stats is not surprising.ABDV is the most talented player of this generation. 5.White ball always swings less. This notion that Sachin scored runs on tough tracks is silly. Sachin has one odi 100 in Australia, Eng ,NZ and SA against home teams. 6.Reverse swing is factor I agree but not to the extent as you have rightly noted. Kohli needs a big world cup but it won't define him. Edited January 15, 2019 by putrevus Link to comment
Number Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: brilliant performance from Kohli... that too chasing ... One or 2 brilliant World cup series including knock outs.... then it would make it very tight a contest between these 2. In my opinion, Kohli has passed the stage where only lack of a world cup k.o. performance can be held against him. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Factors contributing to score increase in order 1. T20Is - batsmen are simply better at strokemaking and playing pace. 2. 2 new balls - most of the time scoring was slowed because of old ball. 3. Powerplays 4. Lack of swing and seam 5. Reverse swing - this is least influencing factor Modern batsmen are simply far superior on flat tracks, but at similar or lower levels in conditions which assist bowlers a bit in ODIs. Two new balls have made Spin virtually non-existent as well. There isn't enough wear and tear on the ball to grip & turn. This is a good reason as to why finger spinners have become non-existent. If you check stats in this decade for spinners they would be few and far between. Wrist spin is the only consolation we have as of now. And they are very few and far between. Edited January 15, 2019 by Stan AF Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, putrevus said: 1.Powerplays were there during Sachin's time too. 2.Balls were changed then also after 34 overs.Except it was changed due to slightly older but harder ball. 3.T20s is one of main reason why scoring has increased .Dots ball are seen as crime now.Sachin's typical innings was start fast then come to slow grind as he reached his hundred. 4.Rohit and Root will go down as one of the better players in odis so them having very impressive stats is not surprising.ABDV is the most talented player of this generation. 5.White ball always swings less. This notion that Sachin scored runs on tough tracks is silly. Sachin has one odi 100 in Australia, Eng ,NZ and SA against home teams. 6.Reverse swing is factor I agree but not to the extent as you have rightly noted. Kohli needs a big world cup but it won't define him. Not tough tracks, but tougher conditions. It's not silly. It's not difficult to see that every single time there is little bit of help modern batsmen struggle to post 200 on similar pitches where same score was made in 90s and 2000s. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just in previous match, India scratched 250 on a easy to bat surface just because swung a bit in first hour. @putrevus Do you think batsmen of 2000s would have folded below 200 at Sydney? Link to comment
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