kira Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 One of the most overrated batsman Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: Vijay undecided for you? With all due respect, get your head out of stats. Stats are a useful tool to help us interpret performances more accurately. They are not the be all and end all tool. Plus for Vijay, an important KPI is how many balls he stays and how well he blunts attack. No trolling but Vijay is massively over rated. Don't get me wrong he would still be in my team without any hesitation because we need to have atleast one player who has a tight off stump game and also being an opener he is valuable. Link to comment
zen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Many of these threads are like we need a new car based on how the current car is performing. But a decent new car would start from say $50k and we neither have the amount on hand, nor the monthly budget to take it on instalment Link to comment
Tattieboy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: Vijay undecided for you? With all due respect, get your head out of stats. Stats are a useful tool to help us interpret performances more accurately. They are not the be all and end all tool. Plus for Vijay, an important KPI is how many balls he stays and how well he blunts attack. Stats are used on here in all shapes and form to " prove" an Indian is/ was better than someone from overseas. They are also used for Indian against Indian but not to show an Indian's weakness outside Asia ? Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Record since our Eng tour after 2011 WC. Only includes stats from NZ, Eng, Aus and SA. Link to comment
Turning_track Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gollum said: Record since our Eng tour after 2011 WC. Only includes stats from NZ, Eng, Aus and SA. That avg of 29.37 against these 4 teams is extremely poor for Pujara that too being a test specialist. If he fails again & again, he should be dropped. I'm telling that being pro-Pujara and despite of him blunting the danger of new ball. He needs to bring runs in his belt. 793 runs in 27 innings doesn't justify his ability at all. Gollum 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 i think Indian team management needs to get rid of this 'anchor grafter role for the one down spot mentality'.Just because Rahul Dravid became successful in that spot doesn't mean every batsman in that position needs to be like that.Even Dravid was not a complete batsman.And the plus point w.r.t Dravid was that, when he was on song when the conditions and the bowling attack suited his style of play, he made that count immensely that benefitted the team the most.And it is not at all easy to find another Dravid type of player.So a left hander with attractive stroke play to some level of effectiveness as that of 'Lara or Sanga' or a 'Ponting type right hander with even 70% effectiveness' is all that is required for that spot.Pujara is far off from that mark. Texan 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AM Rahane 2013-2016 17 29 5 1312 147 54.66 2431 53.96 4 7 2 166 7 KL Rahul 2014-2018 6 8 0 376 158 47.00 728 51.64 2 1 0 42 4 V Kohli 2011-2018 26 46 2 2039 200 46.34 3571 57.09 8 5 4 236 5 SR Tendulkar 2010-2012 11 22 2 886 146 44.30 1750 50.62 2 4 0 121 4 R Dravid 2010-2012 14 28 3 1026 146* 41.04 2503 40.99 4 2 0 126 1 R Ashwin 2011-2018 15 24 4 684 118 34.20 1274 53.68 2 2 1 70 5 M Vijay 2010-2018 21 38 0 1247 146 32.81 2911 42.83 2 7 3 160 8 A Mishra 2011-2016 5 8 0 261 84 32.62 442 59.04 0 2 0 32 2 VVS Laxman 2010-2012 14 28 2 776 96 29.84 1648 47.08 0 7 2 99 1 MS Dhoni 2010-2014 24 45 3 1219 90 29.02 2179 55.94 0 10 5 155 11 S Dhawan 2013-2018 14 26 0 750 115 28.84 1302 57.60 1 3 2 89 3 B Kumar 2014-2018 9 15 3 335 63* 27.91 758 44.19 0 3 3 51 0 CA Pujara 2010-2018 19 32 0 886 153 27.68 2211 40.07 1 3 2 113 1 WP Saha 2012-2018 8 12 0 324 104 27.00 766 42.29 1 0 2 28 3 G Gambhir 2010-2014 11 22 0 550 93 25.00 1395 39.42 0 4 2 70 0 RG Sharma 2013-2018 12 21 1 455 72 22.75 1055 43.12 0 2 3 43 10 V Sehwag 2010-2012 9 18 0 383 67 21.27 537 71.32 0 3 4 60 1 A Mukund 2011-2011 5 10 0 211 62 21.10 518 40.73 0 1 2 21 0 RA Jadeja 2013-2016 8 15 1 289 68 20.64 416 69.47 0 1 2 38 6 SK Raina 2010-2015 9 18 1 343 82 20.17 696 49.28 0 4 5 43 0 Harbhajan Singh 2010-2011 8 14 1 249 70 19.15 372 66.93 0 1 2 31 5 P Kumar 2011-2011 6 10 0 149 40 14.90 159 93.71 0 0 2 21 5 Mohammed Shami 2013-2018 16 22 9 179 51* 13.76 265 67.54 0 1 4 21 5 Z Khan 2010-2014 11 20 2 204 35 11.33 326 62.57 0 0 7 26 7 UT Yadav 2011-2016 9 13 5 90 30 11.25 169 53.25 0 0 2 12 3 I Sharma 2010-2018 29 44 13 182 26 5.87 622 29.26 0 0 11 21 0 S Sreesanth 2010-2011 6 11 4 25 7* 3.57 76 32.89 0 0 4 4 0 Rohit Sharma - easily worst batsman from current team to play 10 oversesas tests for India. Link to comment
Texan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Last 4 years average is even worse at 23. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/32540.html?class=1;filter=advanced;host=1;host=2;host=3;host=4;host=5;orderby=default;spanmin1=01+Jan+2014;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, zen said: Many of these threads are like we need a new car based on how the current car is performing. But a decent new car would start from say $50k and we neither have the amount on hand, nor the monthly budget to take it on instalment But without exploring market how would you know that new car is going to cost more. The amount you are spending in repairs is probably as high as paying for a new and possibly better car. You're saying that there is not even a single batsman in India who can average 30+ outside Asia? Link to comment
Texan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: But without exploring market how would you know that new car is going to cost more. The amount you are spending in repairs is probably as high as paying for a new and possibly better car. You're saying that there is not even a single batsman in India who can average 30+ outside Asia? Even Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Pandya who have very modest domestic records showed that they can bat better than these top order guys. Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Pujara is like that tailender who comes as night watchman Dhawan is like the tailender who tries to slog everything blindly aka Tino Best Rohit is Chris Martin Texan and Frustrated 1 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: But without exploring market how would you know that new car is going to cost more. The amount you are spending in repairs is probably as high as paying for a new and possibly better car. You're saying that there is not even a single batsman in India who can average 30+ outside Asia? We can replace Dhawan and Rohit with Rahul and Rahane. There is nothing much that can be done at the moment If there are such batsmen waiting in the wings, there performances should be available through A tours. LOI performances should not be confused with requirements for tests If we are winning handsomely in Ind, the car is running well. History suggests that we have been struggling overseas since we started playing cricket so we have to drive changes considering the impact in the long term, which means developing good bowlers as well Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, zen said: We can replace Dhawan and Rohit with Rahul and Rahane. There is nothing much that can be done at the moment If there are such batsmen waiting in the wings, there performances should be available through A tours. LOI performances should not be confused with requirements for tests If we are winning handsomely in Ind, the car is running well. History suggests that we have been struggling overseas since we started playing cricket so we have to drive changes considering the impact in the long term, which means developing good bowlers as well History sugggests these are worst set of IIndian batsman outside Asia. Link to comment
zen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Also it is a misconception to suggest that if tailenders averaged more in certain conditions, the top order should average more as if tailenders batted in top order, they could avg much less and vice versa Link to comment
zen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: History sugggests these are worst set of IIndian batsman outside Asia. Could be but the point is where are the better options? Is there someone better than Rahane and Rahul not in the squad? Edited January 14, 2018 by zen Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, zen said: Also it is a misconception to suggest that if tailenders averaged more in certain conditions, the top order should average more as if tailenders batted in top order, they could avg much less and vice versa Top order should average more as it is their main job. They are specialist batsmen and if they aren't doing it then they are certainly failing in that role. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, zen said: Could be but the point is where are the better options? Is there someone better than Rahane and Rahul not in the squad? Dunno, team has explore better options. Better than Rahane and Rahul? Well no one can do anything about captain's slow thinking, but more players should get chance. There is no way that 3 batsman averaging in 20s can be our best bats. Link to comment
zen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Top order should average more as it is their main job. They are specialist batsmen and if they aren't doing it then they are certainly failing in that role. Not necessarily in every condition and every time as in tests it also depends up on the time you bat and the bowlers that you face if if that were the case guys like Tendulkar would be batting in the top order in tests too Link to comment
zen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Dunno, team has explore better options. Better than Rahane and Rahul? Well no one can do anything about captain's slow thinking, but more players should get chance. There is no way that 3 batsman averaging in 20s can be our best bats. So on one hand, we don’t know that there are better options, and on the other hand, we want to give chances to random folks to see if someone comes through The players who have to come through should identify themselves through proper process much like how players currently playing did. We should have some information otherwise we are shooting in the dark Turning_track 1 Link to comment
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