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Cheteswar Pujara/Rohit Sharma/Dhawan - who is best tailender outside Asia

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He has been unstoppable in Asia and that seems to suggest that he has been in top form, but his county records are:

 

Matches: 8

Inn: 12

Runs: 333

HS: 112

Avg: 27.75

100s: 1

50s: 1

 

Is he just not made for overseas matches? Problem is this comes right in middle of his top form where he his FC average in India has been 82 with over 2000 runs in 17 matches and 77 in 3 tests in Sri Lanka. Seems like he can score runs for fun on any type of pitch in subcontinent, but can't get going even at FC level away.

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Should be dumped for the benefit of the team for ever.Baring SAF he has been a failure in  AUS,ENG & NZL.This after playing 50+ tests.If his home record is the justification for his inclusion, then  another player  with slightly lesser home record but with far better  away record  is the better option because the allrounders in the team would cover for his extra performance in home conditions.As if there are no replacements in domestic.!!!!!!!!  Even in 2nd division he is poor...that says a lot.

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52 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

Should be dumped for the benefit of the team for ever.Baring SAF he has been a failure in  AUS,ENG & NZL.This after playing 50+ tests.If his home record is the justification for his inclusion, then  another player  with slightly lesser home record but with far better  away record  is the better option because the allrounders in the team would cover for his extra performance in home conditions.As if there are no replacements in domestic.!!!!!!!!  Even in 2nd division he is poor...that says a lot.

Pujara at home/Asia has no peers among current batsmen. I have lost count of how many times he saved India at home/Asia.

 

We would have lost the 2017 test series against Aus if not for his special in Bangalore 2nd innings. Lost the 2015 away series against SL if not for his 145* in decider. Lost the Delhi 2013 test against Aus if not for his 80 odd at 80 SR.

 

This is just a small sample. There are a lot more games too.

 

Outside Asia we can take a call based on his performance and drop him if he doesn't score. That's fair. But in Asia, Pujara is one of the greatest ever bats both in terms of average and in terms of impact.

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I honestly don't understand how Pujara averaged so low in County this time.

 

Ashwin averaged 42 in his stint without breaking a sweat. Could have averaged 60+ (needed like some 90 runs odd) if he didn't get out to innocuous deliveries multiple times.

 

Is it because Pujara played in different pitches to the ones Ash played (who played 3 out of 4 games in New Roads)?

 

A guy who scored 145* knock on a green seamer, should be able to play county second division. Its not like those pitches were bouncy as hell or anything.

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23 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

I honestly don't understand how Pujara averaged so low in County this time.

 

Ashwin averaged 42 in his stint without breaking a sweat. Could have averaged 60+ (needed like some 90 runs odd) if he didn't get out to innocuous deliveries multiple times.

 

Is it because Pujara played in different pitches to the ones Ash played (who played 3 out of 4 games in New Roads)?

 

A guy who scored 145* knock on a green seamer, should be able to play county second division. Its not like those pitches were bouncy as hell or anything.

Look at the scorecards of matches played by Pujara

 

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013768.html

 

3 innings, 5 100s scores of 560 and 470 in first 2 innings. Probably there was swing on offer early on and top order crumbled in reply to huge first inning score, but after that everyone scored.

 

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013766.html

 

This seems to difficult one with Rory taking 13 wickets in match and dismissing him on both ocassions. 

 

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013755.html

This again looks like slightly difficult condition, but some batsmen managed to score runs. 

 

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013750.html

This can be considered normal with his team scoring 213 and 344.

 

So he did bat in difficult conditions in 2 matches, 1 in normal for a test batsman and 1 on road, but thing is he was outbatted by others by fair margin. 

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4 hours ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Hopefully, won't end up like Thilan Samaraweera.

I remember earlier people used to call him FTB and ridicule his batting performance. But now it seems that SL will take 3-4 Samarweeras in their team at first opportunities.

 

Such players are underrated especially if you're playing alongside ATG and great players. In the end they complete the team.

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28 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

I remember earlier people used to call him FTB and ridicule his batting performance. But now it seems that SL will take 3-4 Samarweeras in their team at first opportunities.

 

Such players are underrated especially if you're playing alongside ATG and great players. In the end they complete the team.

Agree. These people are taking home runs for granted. One two batting failures against Aussies and these guys were all jumping around saying they cannot score even at home.

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He has a poor average overseas, but he does play a lot of balls when he bats. 

 

Career summary
GroupingAscending Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
                               
in Australia 2014-2014 3 6 0 201 73 33.50 471 42.67 0 1 0 26 0 view innings
in England 2014-2014 5 10 0 222 55 22.20 510 43.52 0 1 1 32 0 view innings
in India 2010-2017 30 50 6 2797 206* 63.56 5537 50.51 9 12 1 334 7 view innings
in New Zealand 2014-2014 2 4 0 60 23 15.00 183 32.78 0 0 0 6 1 view innings
in South Africa 2010-2013 4 7 0 311 153 44.42 715 43.49 1 1 0 40 0 view innings
in Sri Lanka 2015-2017 4 6 1 454 153 90.80 856 53.03 3 0 1 40 1 view innings
in West Indies 2016-2016 3 2 0 62 46 31.00 226 27.43 0 0 0 4 0

 

Average balls faced in each country:

Aus: 79

Eng: 51

NZ: 46 

SA:  102

 

By contrast Kohli averages only 29 balls faced in England...

I think this implies that although he doesn't score, he isn't being blown away by the bowling. It seems to me that he just doesn't have the scoring shots to rotate strike, so he gets bogged down at one end and the bowlers eventually work him out because of that. 

 

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Even Samaraweera scored 2 outstanding 100s in SA against that ATG team with peak Steyn in 2011-12. If Che can have one such series overseas in the next 2 years (preferably in SA OR Eng) he is worth backing.

 

5 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

I remember earlier people used to call him FTB and ridicule his batting performance. But now it seems that SL will take 3-4 Samarweeras in their team at first opportunities.

 

Such players are underrated especially if you're playing alongside ATG and great players. In the end they complete the team.

I think Che will perform well in SA n Aus as long as ball is not swinging around.. In ENG n NZ though, I am not so sure.. hoping for the best. :cheer:

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the main point is  not Pujara's performance. It is as to what the cricket management is doing to counter the below par performance of such main players.For instance promising players like Shreyas Iyer, Karun Nair  etc etc would have been tested  in

non consequential matches when ever there have been oppertunities .For instance both Iyer and Nair could have been tested    once the series were already  deceided in NZL, ENG  home tests & WI ,SL abroad tests. But unfortunately that has not been happening.

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Thats a very poor return for an international batsman who was in top form before this. We have known that he us pretty poor outside Asia. We should give him one more away tour before we decide to continue with him overseas or not.

 

Would like to see us separating home teams from away teams. Players like Pujara are Must-Haves in home matches, but struggle mightily outside Asia. Just like we have separate Test vs ODI team, we should start considering whether a batsman should play only SC matches or non SC matches or both. 

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