Whether Virat Kohli overtook Sachin as the test batsmen ??

[Straight Drive]

15 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

the audacity to compare  a proven legend  who scored  over 13500(still  larger than the 2nd best Ponting)  runs at 59.35 facing several sub 25 bowlers in general  & facing much higher pressure of expectations in general & that too with 44.6+ avg: in all countries during this time span  to  a talented  youngster who has barely touched 6000 runs. 'Foolishness' is the single word that  comes to mind.

He scored 15,921 runs to be precise. Thats much higher than 13,500. 

[rtmohanlal]

4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

He scored 15,921 runs to be precise. Thats much higher than 13,500. 

"over 13500(still  larger than the 2nd best Ponting)  runs at 59.35 "

[The Outsider]

Next stop, Bradman.

[Chandan]

Why compare with Sachin? I don't understand. Much higher average to aim at. 

[putrevus]

4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

No one dominates ATG bowlers. SRT faced sub-25 bowlers and scored multiple 100s.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16126/scorecard/63737/south-africa-vs-india-2nd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-1996-97/

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15465/scorecard/63951/south-africa-vs-india-1st-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-2001-02/

 

 

You are giving me  pitches on which other team scored 550 plus as Sachin mastery over sub 25 bowlers.There is a reason why Sachin's innings never made wisden top 100 and there is a reason why his career ratings never reached 900. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by putrevus

[Trichromatic]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You are giving me  pitches on which other team scored 550 plus as Sachin mastery over sub 25 bowlers.There is a reason why Sachin's innings never made wisden top 100 and there is a reason why his career ratings never reached 900. 

That shows quality of Indian bowlers. You're basically asking for matches SRT played with Indian bowlers averaging below 25 and 30. Well didn't happen.

 

 

 

List how many times 900 rating was achieved in 90s.

 

There is a reason more than dozen players got it in 2000s.

[putrevus]

21 hours ago, dandaroy said:

There is no doubt that SRT came into international cricket with more potential than Kohli. He was termed Bradmanesque even before his debut. Did he live up to that lofty expectation? Did he stand above the rest of the crowd like Bradman did over his peers? No. He is a modern day great, no doubt (although he tarnished some of that legacy by sticking around after WC 2011), but he definitely underachieved in terms of totally dominating his peers (he did this in spurts) and being the MVP of the team. 

 

Sachin started playing tests when he was 16 going on 17. Virat debuted when he was 22 going on 23. That is six years of international cricket more for Sachin. Surely, he would have more centuries and more runs. Also, SRT made an immediate impact in terms of scoring runs, while Virat working his way up. There is no question that Sachin had more talent than Kohli in terms of technique, array of shots, etc. However, where Kohli excels is his value to the team, to step up when needed, the fierce attitude, the grit. And he is a learner. I have no doubt that by the time he hangs up (he can easily play another 10 years with his physical conditioning), he will be a ATG and he will definitely be the best MVP Indian cricket has ever had. 

Couldn't have said it any better.

Edited August 6, 2018 by putrevus

[putrevus]

12 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

That shows quality of Indian bowlers. You're basically asking for matches SRT played with Indian bowlers averaging below 25 and 30. Well didn't happen.

 

 

 

List how many times 900 rating was achieved in 90s.

 

There is a reason more than dozen players got it in 2000s.

I don't think it was due to quality of Indian bowlers, both were flat pitches and quality of Indian batting has to be questioned more than its bowling.

[putrevus]

14 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

That shows quality of Indian bowlers. You're basically asking for matches SRT played with Indian bowlers averaging below 25 and 30. Well didn't happen.

 

 

 

List how many times 900 rating was achieved in 90s.

 

There is a reason more than dozen players got it in 2000s.

When did Sachin retire????? did he retire in 1990s??? why does he get a pass for 2000s???? what was he doing in 2000s???

[BlueBee]

On 8/6/2018 at 1:08 AM, Trichromatic said:

For what? Dravid wasn't even close to SRT in tests.

We'd just have to agree to disagree. This topic is old. 

[CSK Fan]

On 8/6/2018 at 12:40 AM, velu said:

 

overall ranking is the best indicator which includes all or most of all  .. kohli 900++ 

Bull ****. Ranking is a one time achievement. So if a batsman in his second year reaches 900+ points in ranking and then averages 25 for next 12 years, he is an atg? You should stick to ipl and trolling

[CSK Fan]

On 8/6/2018 at 11:34 PM, putrevus said:

When did Sachin retire????? did he retire in 1990s??? why does he get a pass for 2000s???? what was he doing in 2000s???

During some of our easiest series he suffered from an injury and lack of form. He did play a lot of tougher series though post that and did fairly good

[CSK Fan]

On 8/6/2018 at 6:48 PM, UnknownGenius said:

Kohli has surpasses Sachin as batsman I'm all formats of the game 

 

Also Dravid was a better test batsman than selfish tendulkar and MSD a better ODI batsman than Tendy 

 

Overall tendulkar is not a top 3 indian test or ODI player

Lmao, kohli wins at home anf loses away just like sachin. Not a single fact supports your baseless claims. Nor do any neutral fans, wisden experts of the game, past.and future legends support a single one of your claims

 

 I love how from facts now the discussion has veered to name calling and persoanl attacks on players you dislike

 

Fans like you are worse than termites eating what was once good. Tomorrow when some other players comes you will call kohli names.

 

 Whether sachin is selfish or not, Fair weather scum entitled fans lke you are definitely selfish, pathetic human beings with no achievements in life trying to feel better by targeting giants

[Lala]

This is my assumption.

 

Look, Kohli is at age 30 and got close to 6000 runs. His current average is 54. assume he will play another maximum 10 years and he will play minimum 10 matches per year then total matches for ten years will be 100. So 2 inning per test match and obviously 200 innings. But lets assume realistically he would play 180 innings out of 200. Then 54*180 = 9720 and adding current 6000 runs, the total will be 15700+ runs. An occasional tons will come when he tours in minnow countries like SL, BAN, WI, ZIM, etc. Therefore he would be able to cross 16000 runs in age 40 and retire happily. So I believe he may break the records of Sachin. 

[raki05]

On 8/6/2018 at 5:29 AM, rtmohanlal said:

the audacity to compare  a proven legend  who scored  over 13500(still  larger than the 2nd best Ponting)  runs at 59.35 facing several sub 25 bowlers in general  & facing much higher pressure of expectations in general & that too with 44.6+ avg: in all countries during this time span  to  a talented  youngster who has barely touched 6000 runs. 'Foolishness' is the single word that  comes to mind.

Even wisden consider him 2nd best after bradman.

[raki05]

On 8/6/2018 at 6:48 PM, UnknownGenius said:

Kohli has surpasses Sachin as batsman I'm all formats of the game 

 

Also Dravid was a better test batsman than selfish tendulkar and MSD a better ODI batsman than Tendy 

 

Overall tendulkar is not a top 3 indian test or ODI player

But he is still 2nd best of all time after bradman.

[raki05]

On 8/6/2018 at 11:12 PM, putrevus said:

You are giving me  pitches on which other team scored 550 plus as Sachin mastery over sub 25 bowlers.There is a reason why Sachin's innings never made wisden top 100 and there is a reason why his career ratings never reached 900. 

Mastering sub 25 bowler doesn't necessarily  mean how fluently he scored against them, rather it is seeing them off and then scoring once settled down. BTW Azher Mahmood has an inning in top 100 , do you also consider him greater than tendulkar and kallis.

[velu]

52 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Mastering sub 25 bowler doesn't necessarily  mean how fluently he scored against them, rather it is seeing them off and then scoring once settled down. BTW Azher Mahmood has an inning in top 100 , do you also consider him greater than tendulkar and kallis.

 

if someone has has better stats + top rated innings , he will be rated higher than someone having stats only..

 

to make it simpler for you , dhoni and bevan have simialr stats , but people will rate him higher because of his few macth winnign innings like THAT wc final

[velu]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Even wisden consider him 2nd best after bradman.

 

for his consistency .. you would pick that but you ignore wisden 100 innings

[kira]

6 minutes ago, velu said:

 

for his consistency .. you would pick that but you ignore wisden 100 innings

No one is ignoring anything, who cares if wisden didn't put his innings in top 100 innings, they still rated him second best of all time, this is what matters the most.