Is this the worst Indian batting lineup in test cricket?

[kira]

I have been watching cricket since 1996 and even though our 90s batting was pretty sh!t too, it still wasn't this bad, was it?

Sure in overseas conditions the 90s batting was a one man army which started and ended with Sachin but it still had strong players of spin in that lineup?

 

I have vague memories of pathetic batting performances in the 90s like the infamous failed chase of 120 in the windies but as far as as I can remember that lineup was still great in subcontinent and we still had some decent youngsters in rahul dravid and ganguly who were making a name for themselves, sidhu in the subcontinent was a beast against spin, azhar was also a good batsman in the subcontinent. 

 

Now if we look at the present batting lineup, there are only a couple of players who are good against spin bowling, don't think anyone in this team is great in swinging conditions, and only Kohli and maybe rahane are great against bounce. So we just have a couple of good bats in most conditions.

[WC2011INDIA]

At work, a senior said "issey toh achhi purani wali team thi...90s waali"

[shortbread]

No it is not. It's just a batting line up that is fighting for their place and completely lacking in confidence. name on batsman in this lineup apart from Kohli who has'nt been switched by the captain.

 

One of the most important jobs of the skipper is to realize your best players and back them. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes.

[kira]

1 minute ago, shortbread said:

No it is not. It's just a batting line up that is fighting for their place and completely lacking in confidence. name on batsman in this lineup apart from Kohli who has'nt been switched by the captain.

 

One of the most important jobs of the skipper is to realize your best players and back them. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes.

shortbread phir ro raha hai, do you have nightmares about kohli every night?

[Cricketics]

Watching the fab four, fav five, even though they were better batsmen, we have come across many tours where we looked equally pathetic even with all Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman etc in the line up.

 

 

Too early to judge these guys. Give them another 6months to an year where they would have played in England and Australia and then we will be at the right stage to comment on them.

 

Remember there are lot of things going against this team. That is the scheduling of all home games for two straight years and then all of a sudden an away series in South Africa, that is lole sending school kids to Kargil.

 

 

I will give them time, they will prosper. We got some great bats in the middle there with Pujara-Kohli-Rahane. They will surely bring us success this year. I guarantee you.

 

 

[shortbread]

1 minute ago, kira said:

shortbread phir ro raha hai, do you have nightmares about kohli every night?

Anyone supporting the Indian cricket team would watching his captaincy! Mine are nightmares, you have orgasms!

[Rasgulla]

No dumbass.. Almost same team toured last time and able to Draw a Test 

[Sachinism]

Is this the most hyperbolic thread this week?

[sandeep]

6 minutes ago, shortbread said:

No it is not. It's just a batting line up that is fighting for their place and completely lacking in confidence. name on batsman in this lineup apart from Kohli who has'nt been switched by the captain.

 

One of the most important jobs of the skipper is to realize your best players and back them. Hopefully he will learn from his mistakes.

+1.

 

The likes of Rahul, Rahane, Pujara can and should do better.   But they aren't being helped by the team's tactics.

[Tattieboy]

Not the worst by a long way , 

[kira]

Just now, Sachinism said:

Is this the most hyperbolic thread this week?

No! 

[Shunya]

No, but Captain Genius is definitely worthy of being the worst if he does not learn soon.

 

[kira]

12 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Watching the fab four, fav five, even though they were better batsmen, we have come across many tours where we looked equally pathetic even with all Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman etc in the line up.

Only 19 times a batting lineup consisting of sachin, dravid, laxman and ganguly was bowled out for less than 200 in test cricket, 19 times in 12 years

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;player_involve=1934;player_involve=2024;player_involve=2281;player_involve=3317;player_involve_type=all;runsmax1=199;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=team;view=innings;wicketsmin1=10;wicketsval1=wickets

 

This genius present lot has been bowled out for less than 200 on 9 occasions already in the last 3 years

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;player_involve=1934;player_involve=2024;player_involve=2281;player_involve=3317;player_involve_type=all;runsmax1=199;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=team;view=innings;wicketsmin1=10;wicketsval1=wickets

 

12 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

Too early to judge these guys. Give them another 6months to an year where they would have played in England and Australia and then we will be at the right stage to comment on them.

I am not judging them based on overseas tour, I mentioned in the OP that even in the spin friendly conditions we have just a couple of good players of spin, so this batting lineup isn't even great in the subcontinent

 

[maniac]

Every test team in the world today has 1 or 2 batsmen max+ passengers

 

India-Kohli may be Pujara + passengers

Pakistan-  Azhar Ali+ passengers

Srilanka-Maybe Chandimal,Maybe Matthews+ passengers

Bangladesh-Tamim,maybe Shaikb+ passengers

Newzealand-Williamson, maybe Taylor+ passengers

England-Cook,Root+ passengers

Australia-Smith,maybe Warner+ passengers

WI- Maybe Brathwaite+ passengers

South Africa-maybe Amla,AB,Faf+ passengers

 

 

 

[Cricketics]

8 minutes ago, kira said:

Only 19 times a batting lineup consisting of sachin, dravid, laxman and ganguly was bowled out for less than 200 in test cricket, 19 times in 12 years

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;player_involve=1934;player_involve=2024;player_involve=2281;player_involve=3317;player_involve_type=all;runsmax1=199;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=team;view=innings;wicketsmin1=10;wicketsval1=wickets

 

This genius present lot has been bowled out for less than 200 on 9 occasions already in the last 3 years

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;player_involve=1934;player_involve=2024;player_involve=2281;player_involve=3317;player_involve_type=all;runsmax1=199;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=team;view=innings;wicketsmin1=10;wicketsval1=wickets

 

I am not judging them based on overseas tour, I mentioned in the OP that even in the spin friendly conditions we have just a couple of good players of spin, so this batting lineup isn't even great in the subcontinent

 

I agree they aren’t great thats why the past fab four were legends themselves.

 

Just feel these guys will do good down the line.

 

[Tattieboy]

6 minutes ago, kira said:

Only 19 times a batting lineup consisting of sachin, dravid, laxman and ganguly was bowled out for less than 200 in test cricket, 19 times in 12 years

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;player_involve=1934;player_involve=2024;player_involve=2281;player_involve=3317;player_involve_type=all;runsmax1=199;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=team;view=innings;wicketsmin1=10;wicketsval1=wickets

 

This genius present lot has been bowled out for less than 200 on 9 occasions already in the last 3 years

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/team/6.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=start;player_involve=1934;player_involve=2024;player_involve=2281;player_involve=3317;player_involve_type=all;runsmax1=199;runsval1=runs;template=results;type=team;view=innings;wicketsmin1=10;wicketsval1=wickets

 

I am not judging them based on overseas tour, I mentioned in the OP that even in the spin friendly conditions we have just a couple of good players of spin, so this batting lineup isn't even great in the subcontinent

 

Why did you ask in Indian Test cricket but judging against the Fab4 only?

 

[kira]

Just now, Tattieboy said:

Why did you ask in Indian Test cricket but judging against the Fab4 only?

 

Read the context tattie, don't act like your name, I was replying to a specific post claiming that fab4 was also prone to collapses, don't let your ADD distract you from reading the full thread

[maniac]

Just now, Cricketics said:

I agree they aren’t great thats why the past fab four were legends themselves.

 

Just feel these guys will do good down the line.

 

Someone like Pujara is touring here for the 3rd time.I think same with Vijay....Kohli and Rohit didn’t play tests in 2011 but still 3rd tour for them...for most of them it is already their 2nd tour

 

They are not upstarts anymore

[Tattieboy]

2 minutes ago, kira said:

Read the context tattie, don't act like your name, I was replying to a specific post claiming that fab4 was also prone to collapses, don't let your ADD distract you from reading the full thread

Indian Test cricket didn't start in the 90's, which it did for you so the answer to your question  is they are far from the worst

[Cricketics]

7 minutes ago, maniac said:

Someone like Pujara is touring here for the 3rd time.I think same with Vijay....Kohli and Rohit didn’t play tests in 2011 but still 3rd tour for them...for most of them it is already their 2nd tour

 

They are not upstarts anymore

They aren’t and comparison can’t br done as the past line up wer full of legends even though they couldn’t win series in England due to various factors.

 

Just feel these guys together will fire in England and Australia.

 

 

I mentiond earlier how hard it is to come from 2 year home season straight away to a place like South Africa which is kind of like a war zone where you don’t know how long you will last.

 

That said, Kohli-Pujara-Rahane combo have the services of better bowling and I believe together if we stick to 3-4-5 as Pujara-Kohli-Rahane and play the BBS attack rgularly, we should win in England and also in Australia.

 

 

Together the combination of BBS attack and 3-4-5 of Pujara-Kohli-Rahane must play from here on every test and I guarante you we will win.