Vijay finishes with average of 17, Rahul averaged 7

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Who is saying to drop him now right away? Read the OP or other posts, the talk is about the middle of the series if we continue to fail. The whole idea of the thread is to be ready for what is to come if we keep failing as a team which we have in terms of batting unit on thiis tour.

 

All this past 2-3 weeks, we have discussed how our batsmen are struggling.

 

I am not for making too many changes but if we are failing for another couple of games as a batting unit like we did in this series, we must make changes is all I am saying. And changes means removing someone and when you want someone to be removed, of course openers will be mentioned since they are also part of the failing batting line up and critical to our chances.

 

My main concern is Vijay, like yours is Pujara. You are not wrong in sharing that opinion and even though I won’t agree with one’s sentiments about dropping Pujara at this time if they tell me, its a legitimate concern that he has performed badly in the series.

 

Yes, Vijay’s resume is impressive and he bas done well in the past. But it is only good until middle of the series. He has failed in this series over all, and its fine that he is not dropped because he has served Indian cricket well and we can still bank on him to score and save us again, and for that he should be selected again and be persisted with for England tour. But we have to draw a line somewhere in terms of how many failures he is allowed to have, and for me that is till the middle of the series in England, otherwise we will be doing the same thing as we did in 2011 by not making changes after our failires and keeping the same line up based on the past laurels, which will only show that we have learned nothing from 0-8 from 2011.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Drawing line?lol Kohli is already kicking out players randomly based one or two failures  M Vijay will be kicked out if he fails in England. Until M VIjay's partner starts scoring runs his position will be safe.

[Cricketics]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Drawing line?lol Kohli is already kicking out players randomly based one or two failures  M Vijay will be kicked out if he fails in England. Until M VIjay's partner starts scoring runs his position will be safe.

Yes, Rahul must score and I hope Kohli stick with this same top 5 for now.

 

For the first test in England, only changes I would make is drop Ishant for Saini and play someone like VijayShankar or Pandya as the all rounder or may be playe Ashwin/Jadjea for a fast bowler depending how the pitch looks instead od the fourth seamer.

 

 

[Khota]

I have a fairly good idea why on ICF both Vijay and Rahul get a mulligan. Dhawan who is head and shoulder above them is treated like a step child.

[maniac]

Don’t know if people have watched the game but even Gavaskar and SA commies we're praising Vijay’s knock on this innings and called him

Unlucky  for  getting a Jaffa after a tough fight.

 

Vijay is still our best opener by a mile 

[Vijy]

On 1/26/2018 at 8:18 PM, Gollum said:

I am a big fan of Pujara but losing patience. Ashwin brings more to the table because he even averages more with the bat than Pujara outside Asia (I am not saying he is better because Pujara faces the newish ball against fresh quicks). With the ball he is a match winner in WI, better than Murali/Bhajji/Swann/Ajmal in Aus and decent in SA/Eng. I wouldn't lump the two as similar. One is at least trying to improve while the other has been on a downward spiral for the last 4 years. Even his county stint was unsuccessful, but I support Pujara and want him to silence all critics in England. Hope he gets another county stint where he can fine tune his shortcomings. 

 

And agree with the part about Rohit. In hindsight playing Dhawan in the 1st test wasn't a glaring mistake but playing Rohit in place of Rahane was a Himalayan blunder by Kohli. 

it's become clear I would think by now that Pujara is a HTB. It's true that he can and does block for 20-30 but if he doesn't realign his approach this is all he will be capable of outside SC. ashwin, for all his limitations, has improved a lot more than chepu has.

[Straight Drive]

On 1/27/2018 at 3:37 AM, cowboysfan said:

the reason why we lost the series,the only reason .our openers suck and you are not going to win outside the SC with guys who cannot dent the new ball and protect the middle order.I also dont see anyone knocking on te doors so the best coure of action is to sen these two way early to england  before the rest pf the team.

Yes, our openers flopped and gave pathetic opening partnerships. However, they are the best 3 we have. I don't think anyone else out of these 3 openers would have assured us of good opening partnerships on such wickets and against that bowling lineup either. Let this away series get over. Support them during such bowler friendly series. The very same Vijay, Shikhar and Rahul are going to smack daddy hundreds or doubles. We are short of quality openers against good bowling attacks and on wickets and conditions which help pacers more.

[R.D forever]

This is what happens when ppl just see the scorecard and start threads. Vijay was arguably the second best batsman for us after Kohli. His partnership with Kohli in the 2nd and 3rd test was the only time we looked like winning.. Yes he chased wide balls initially but the old Vijay was back. Should be there in all overseas tests

[Gollum]

@Cricketics Pujara is struggling big time in county AGAIN. Won't be a bad idea to have Vijay-Rahul open in England with Dhawan at no 3......what say?

[LORD_analyst]

 

@Cricketics Pujara is struggling big time in county AGAIN. Won't be a bad idea to have Vijay-Rahul open in England with Dhawan at no 3......what say?

it's pretty shameful to see many people still supporting pujara...he has done horsesh*it outside sc in his whole life......was outscored by ashwin previous county season and this season by ishant .....also poor fielder and run -outs........don't think that he will last if he fails in england tour.....last chance for him

[Garuda]

 

@Cricketics Pujara is struggling big time in county AGAIN. Won't be a bad idea to have Vijay-Rahul open in England with Dhawan at no 3......what say?

I'll have Dhawan open and Rahul at no.3. Rahul to me maybe better than Kohli. Kohli has obvious weaknesses in English conditions which were exposed by Anderson. His jab at short wide deliveries is a recurring curse for him. IMO the best player should bat at 3. Vijay and Dhawan is a shaky start in England . We have to look for atleast 2 test openers in the near future because MV is 34 and Dhwawan is a hack

[Garuda]

 

VJ is still our best opener. Forget the first few tests in SA. he was put off by Kohli's call for aggressive brand of cricket and that resulted in VJ straying away from his game and unneccesarily chasing wide balls.

 

I don't blame him. When you have buddies in Dhawan and Rohit, if you don't obey captain orders, you could be dropped instantly

If he wants aggression so much, maybe he should open the innings and face the first ball. We all know how he performed in spinning HOME conditions versus Aus who had a rubbish spinner getting wickets against us. I cant even remember the spinner's name

 

PS: Im talking about Kohli

Edited May 1, 2018 by Garuda

[Cricketics]

On 5/1/2018 at 8:28 AM, Gollum said:

@Cricketics Pujara is struggling big time in county AGAIN. Won't be a bad idea to have Vijay-Rahul open in England with Dhawan at no 3......what say?

I will stick with Pujara at 3.

 

Top 5 for the fiest two tests at least.

 

Vijay

Rahul

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

 

 

[jusarrived]

KL can be slotted in the middle order or at 3 , unlike ODIs a test opener should be fine down the order especially overseas where hes unlikely to start his innings on a minefield against spinners 

[jusarrived]

On 5/1/2018 at 5:58 PM, Gollum said:

@Cricketics Pujara is struggling big time in county AGAIN. Won't be a bad idea to have Vijay-Rahul open in England with Dhawan at no 3......what say?

Considering Dhawans form there is no harm in playing him at 5/6 either . 

[LORD_analyst]

On 5/1/2018 at 6:59 PM, Garuda said:

If he wants aggression so much, maybe he should open the innings and face the first ball. We all know how he performed in spinning HOME conditions versus Aus who had a rubbish spinner getting wickets against us. I cant even remember the spinner's name

 

PS: Im talking about Kohli

lmao....kohli was the highest run scorer in saf in tests on minefields............kohli had a bad form. nothing else.

is this guy dumb or what???  @speedheat  @maniac... rahul and vijay flogged in saf...kohli saved our as*s.

[LORD_analyst]

On 5/1/2018 at 6:55 PM, Garuda said:

Rahul to me maybe better than Kohli.

rahul is certain talent but ...why does every sambar land guy hates kohli so much???coz he replaced ur dhoni punk??

[LORD_analyst]

On 5/1/2018 at 6:54 PM, UnknownGenius said:

VJ is still our best opener. Forget the first few tests in SA. he was put off by Kohli's call for aggressive brand of cricket and that resulted in VJ straying away from his game and unneccesarily chasing wide balls.

 

I don't blame him. When you have buddies in Dhawan and Rohit, if you don't obey captain orders, you could be dropped instantly

vijay was chasing wide balls....kohli had nothing to do with it....icf is full of madrasi bimbos.

[Gollum]

Rahul

Vijay

Dhawan

Karthik

Kohli

Rahane

Saha (wk)

Ashwin/Jadeja

3 specialist fast bowlers (no Pandya)

 

Play this line up in 1st test because we are notoriously slow starters and getting 0-1 down will most certainly cost us the series. Play this team and secure a draw in test 1, that will do wonders to our chances. Also slot Kohli in at no 5, will protect him for some extra time against the newish ball. If he gets into a rich vein of form let him come back to no 4 later in the series, even Pandya can be accommodated then at the expense of some non performing batsman.

[Khota]

Anyone who puts Vijay over Dhawan is clueless.

[LORD_analyst]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Rahul

Vijay

Dhawan

Karthik

Kohli

Rahane

Saha (wk)

Ashwin/Jadeja

3 specialist fast bowlers (no Pandya)

 

Play this line up in 1st test because we are notoriously slow starters and getting 0-1 down will most certainly cost us the series. Play this team and secure a draw in test 1, that will do wonders to our chances. Also slot Kohli in at no 5, will protect him for some extra time against the newish ball. If he gets into a rich vein of form let him come back to no 4 later in the series, even Pandya can be accommodated then at the expense of some non performing batsman.

don't think karhik will play as pure baatsman , but good idea- has a solid technique.