Anderson's bowling on cloudless day !!!

[sensible-indian]

3 minutes ago, gattaca said:

The thing he struggles even at home if their is no cloud cover. Also in India 2012 you completely forgot pannesar and swann who were greater threat than Anderson. He is good in his conditions not all conditions and that is very specific cloud condition.

Didn't say Anderson was the best bowler but he played a critical role bigger than what his series stats would show. 

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

 

But Anderson nailed it in Ashes almost a decade back in 2010 and then did well in India in 2012. Before that, he wasn't rated that great. 

 

When someone performs like an ATG at home and wins the team 2 high profile away series, he will be rated high. 

 

 

 

I was just checking Anderson's performances during his peak ...  2010 to 2018.

 

Against the stronger teams in away test matches, he averages

 

South Africa    38

India                 36

Australia          31

 

Is it acceptable for a near-great during his peak years   ?

[express bowling]

17 minutes ago, gattaca said:

The thing he struggles even at home if their is no cloud cover.

 

That is a very important point.  Perhaps the biggest one.

 

Rarely seen a top pacer so dependent on movement during his peak years.

[sensible-indian]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I was just checking Anderson's performances during his peak ...  2010 to 2018.

 

Against the stronger teams in away test matches, he averages

 

South Africa    38

India                 36

Australia          31

 

Is it acceptable for a near-great during his peak years   ?

Aus 2010 series blockbuster

Aus 2013 series flop

Aus 2017 series hit

 

India 2012 series hit

India 2016 series flop

 

UAE 2012 series decent to good dunno stats

UAE 2015 series hit

 

SA stats dunno (not in front of comp) but he sucked there

 

NZ stats dunno bit was good in last tour

 

Add to that performance in Eng, and yes its acceptable for a near great. 

 

The day Ashwin has a blockbuster and a hit in SA/Eng/Aus/NZ, whole world will start rating him the same way. 

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by sensible-indian

[sensible-indian]

44 minutes ago, InziRules said:

Looooooooool, are you seriously trying to defend Anderson by using our batting? We made Panesar and Swann look like Warne and Murali that tour too, Broad into Garner and we still somehow won o_O

Facepalm.

[rkt.india]

Clouds were there in the first session and ball was also swinging big but he bowled too outside off.

[Number]

Unfortunately there is no filter on cricinfo in overcase/in sunny conditions  

Seriously though he is the best bowler when the bowl swings. Immaculate control and skills. When conditions are flat there isn't much a bowler can do. 

[gattaca]

4 minutes ago, Number said:

Unfortunately there is no filter on cricinfo in overcase/in sunny conditions  

Seriously though he is the best bowler when the bowl swings. Immaculate control and skills. When conditions are flat there isn't much a bowler can do. 

Actually Woakes is better bowler than him. Not only today I have seen few other times where Woakes was more threatening.

[Adi BB]

Anderson is a great tactical bowler with probably the greatest control over the ball since mcgrath .problem is he's too much dependent on conditions , he has toured the big test nations 3-4 times so he was bound to do well in at least 1 of those tours like he did in aus 2010 ,ind 2012 ,uae 2012 .

He is not some bowler who'll make somrhting happen out of the blues to wreck havoc but rather a bowler who'll depend/wait for the right type of conditions to make his presence felt ,this is why his strike rate isn't that great 

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, Adi BB said:

Anderson is a great tactical bowler with probably the greatest control over the ball since mcgrath .problem is he's too much dependent on conditions , he has toured the big test nations 3-4 times so he was bound to do well in at least 1 of those tours like he did in aus 2010 ,ind 2012 ,uae 2012 .

He is not some bowler who'll make somrhting happen out of the blues to wreck havoc but rather a bowler who'll depend/wait for the right type of conditions to make his presence felt ,this is why his strike rate isn't that great 

Yes which is the reason why Steyn has been the last all time great fast bowler since the retirement of Mcgrath.

[Clarke]

Give me a few names of Indian quicks (present or past) who you would prefer over Anderson in a generic manner, conditions are not available. 

Edited August 19, 2018 by Clarke

[MechEng]

2 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Give me a few names of Indian quicks (present or past) who you would prefer over Anderson in a generic manner, conditions are not available. 

None, but I would have Zaheer Khan on a hot sunny day and a flat pitch. Zak was light years behind Anderson when it comes to fitness, no comparison, but he could literally make the ball talk even on a concrete pitch, also he was not just a single format specialist. Zak was basically the bland version of Wasim Akram.

[Clarke]

1 minute ago, MechEng said:

None, but I would have Zaheer Khan on a hot sunny day and a flat pitch. Zak was light years behind Anderson when it comes to fitness, no comparison, but he could literally make the ball talk even on a concrete pitch, also he was not just a single format specialist. Zak was basically the bland version of Wasim Akram.

No using * to mention conditions, form or format.

 

I honestly don't think there is one Indian quick in our entire cricket history that stands out as an overall better test bowler, Kapil Dev included. And here we are, talking about what he can't do every now and then. 

 

Just look at the garbage these bowlers dish out in the same series: Yadav in test 1, Ishant in test 2, Shami so far. They're all phaaster than him but just don't know how to relentlessly trouble the batsman after all these years, let alone produce jaffas often enough in helpful conditions.

[Tattieboy]

9 hours ago, gattaca said:

Actually Woakes is better bowler than him. Not only today I have seen few other times where Woakes was more threatening.

Actually he is not!!

Given a choice of Woakes or Anderson ( even at 36) how many Test captains would pick Woakes? NONE 

[MechEng]

3 minutes ago, Clarke said:

No using * to mention conditions, form or format.

 

I honestly don't think there is one Indian quick in our entire cricket history that stands out as an overall better test bowler, Kapil Dev included. And here we are, talking about what he can't do every now and then. 

 

Just look at the garbage these bowlers dish out in the same series: Yadav in test 1, Ishant in test 2, Shami so far. They're all phaaster than him but just don't know how to relentlessly trouble the batsman after all these years, let alone produce jaffas often enough in helpful conditions.

Then in that case Sehwag is a superior opener to Greenidge in tests, independent of conditions.