Dhoni's enviable record while chasing !!!

[speedheat]

Still searching what's enviable in it??

[philcric]

On 10/1/2018 at 3:55 AM, Shunya said:

Not a stupid stat at all unless ofcourse its stupid bcos nothing good about Dhoni is to be written here.

 

He has high tendency of remaining not out and if he has such stats of winning almost everyone of those matches, then it is an awesome thing to do. Dont understand why you call it stupid when we should be cherishing this thing. Teams will die for such players in their team.

 

FYI, Dhoni has 46 notouts in 2nd innings and only 1 in loss. If it was as simple as you make it sound, we would have 100s of players in the world who would be able to do it. Can you share the names of those players that you talk about who has done that more than Dhoni? or even close to him?

 

@Shunya  @velu

 

Player - Wins - Losses

 

M Dhoni - 44 - 1

J Rhodes - 33 - 1

I Haq - 32 - 2

R Ponting - 31 - 0

M Azharuddin - 30 - 4

J Kallis - 30 - 2

AB DeVilliers - 28 - 1

M Jayawardene - 27 - 0

V Kohli - 27 - 1

B Lara - 27 - 3

D Martyn - 27 - 0

Yuvraj Singh - 27 - 0

S Raina - 27 - 0

A Ranatunga - 27 - 4

S Waugh - 26 - 1

M Bevan - 25 - 5

M Boucher - 25 - 2

S Tendulkar - 25 - 0

M Clarke - 24 - 0

R Richardson - 24 - 1

K Sangakkara - 24 - 2

M Yousuf - 23 - 0

C Hooper - 22 - 2

 

Clearly if a top 7 bat remains not out, very unlikely they lose the match. Many have 0 losses, most have 1 or 2 losses.

 

Saying Dhoni plays very well in chases and remains not out in many games is fine.

 

Saying it's a great unique stat that there's only 1 loss where Dhoni stayed not out is kind of stupid because it's pretty much the same for all top-middle order batters, esp. in the last 20 years.

 

 

[velu]

11 hours ago, philcric said:

 

@Shunya  @velu

 

Player - Wins - Losses

 

M Dhoni - 44 - 1

J Rhodes - 33 - 1

I Haq - 32 - 2

R Ponting - 31 - 0

M Azharuddin - 30 - 4

J Kallis - 30 - 2

AB DeVilliers - 28 - 1

M Jayawardene - 27 - 0

V Kohli - 27 - 1

B Lara - 27 - 3

D Martyn - 27 - 0

Yuvraj Singh - 27 - 0

S Raina - 27 - 0

A Ranatunga - 27 - 4

S Waugh - 26 - 1

M Bevan - 25 - 5

M Boucher - 25 - 2

S Tendulkar - 25 - 0

M Clarke - 24 - 0

R Richardson - 24 - 1

K Sangakkara - 24 - 2

M Yousuf - 23 - 0

C Hooper - 22 - 2

 

Clearly if a top 7 bat remains not out, very unlikely they lose the match. Many have 0 losses, most have 1 or 2 losses.

 

Saying Dhoni plays very well in chases and remains not out in many games is fine.

 

Saying it's a great unique stat that there's only 1 loss where Dhoni stayed not out is kind of stupid because it's pretty much the same for all top-middle order batters, esp. in the last 20 years.

 

 

 

good job bro

now wait for my next assignment  

[prasen82]

13 hours ago, philcric said:

 

@Shunya  @velu

 

Player - Wins - Losses

 

M Dhoni - 44 - 1

J Rhodes - 33 - 1

I Haq - 32 - 2

R Ponting - 31 - 0

M Azharuddin - 30 - 4

J Kallis - 30 - 2

AB DeVilliers - 28 - 1

M Jayawardene - 27 - 0

V Kohli - 27 - 1

B Lara - 27 - 3

D Martyn - 27 - 0

Yuvraj Singh - 27 - 0

S Raina - 27 - 0

A Ranatunga - 27 - 4

S Waugh - 26 - 1

M Bevan - 25 - 5

M Boucher - 25 - 2

S Tendulkar - 25 - 0

M Clarke - 24 - 0

R Richardson - 24 - 1

K Sangakkara - 24 - 2

M Yousuf - 23 - 0

C Hooper - 22 - 2

 

Clearly if a top 7 bat remains not out, very unlikely they lose the match. Many have 0 losses, most have 1 or 2 losses.

 

Saying Dhoni plays very well in chases and remains not out in many games is fine.

 

Saying it's a great unique stat that there's only 1 loss where Dhoni stayed not out is kind of stupid because it's pretty much the same for all top-middle order batters, esp. in the last 20 years.

 

 

Qq. are you a data scientist. If not you will make a great one...

[Stan AF]

I posted the stats in another thread

 

Since 2015 CWC we've lost 12+ matches while chasing (including the afghan tie)and Dhoni averages in mid 20s with a strike rate of around 70. 

[philcric]

3 hours ago, velu said:

 

good job bro

now wait for my next assignment  

 

Holding my breath. Can't wait  

 

[philcric]

52 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

Qq. are you a data scientist. If not you will make a great one...

No, not a data scientist. Fairly good with numbers though.

 

This one wasn't difficult. Cricinfo Statsguru, advanced query, just needed to be a little smart selecting the inputs.

 

[velu]

12 minutes ago, philcric said:

No, not a data scientist. Fairly good with numbers though.

 

This one wasn't difficult. Cricinfo Statsguru, advanced query, just needed to be a little smart selecting the inputs.

 

 

If you are good with numbers, then your mercury shld be strongly placed in your kundli ..

Like virgo mercury or in its favorite house like 10th or 11th

[construction430]

Interesting stats. Yet I seem to have a hard time trying to recall a last match winning knock he's played. Fcuk tard with no self dignity to call it quits for the team and the nation is all I have been seeing lately.

Edited October 3, 2018 by construction430

[Shunya]

19 hours ago, philcric said:

 

@Shunya  @velu

 

Player - Wins - Losses

 

M Dhoni - 44 - 1

J Rhodes - 33 - 1

I Haq - 32 - 2

R Ponting - 31 - 0

M Azharuddin - 30 - 4

J Kallis - 30 - 2

AB DeVilliers - 28 - 1

M Jayawardene - 27 - 0

V Kohli - 27 - 1

B Lara - 27 - 3

D Martyn - 27 - 0

Yuvraj Singh - 27 - 0

S Raina - 27 - 0

A Ranatunga - 27 - 4

S Waugh - 26 - 1

M Bevan - 25 - 5

M Boucher - 25 - 2

S Tendulkar - 25 - 0

M Clarke - 24 - 0

R Richardson - 24 - 1

K Sangakkara - 24 - 2

M Yousuf - 23 - 0

C Hooper - 22 - 2

 

Clearly if a top 7 bat remains not out, very unlikely they lose the match. Many have 0 losses, most have 1 or 2 losses.

 

Saying Dhoni plays very well in chases and remains not out in many games is fine.

  

Saying it's a great unique stat that there's only 1 loss where Dhoni stayed not out is kind of stupid because it's pretty much the same for all top-middle order batters, esp. in the last 20 years.

 

 

Thank you for the effort with these stats.

But then again, why is this a stupid stat? Isnt he the best in this as per the numbers you shared?

 

44-1 is awesome bcos it is hard to get him out and he does not leave it unfinished(just 1 loss).  Isnt finishing games more often by remaining notout and getting a Win an important thing? Especially the middle order batsman finishing games is very crucial because there are not many batsman left after them which can result in choke sometimes and a loss. 

 

When you have done this most number of times in cricket history, it is unique. Far from stupid thing, that was my point.

 

[Stradlater]

On Sun Sep 30 2018 at 4:57 PM, velu said:

pheetchar @KiraIsBack   

Didn't know Kira was only 4 feet tall.

[philcric]

51 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Thank you for the effort with these stats.

But then again, why is this a stupid stat? Isnt he the best in this as per the numbers you shared?

 

44-1 is awesome bcos it is hard to get him out and he does not leave it unfinished(just 1 loss).  Isnt finishing games more often by remaining notout and getting a Win an important thing? Especially the middle order batsman finishing games is very crucial because there are not many batsman left after them which can result in choke sometimes and a loss. 

 

When you have done this most number of times in cricket history, it is unique. Far from stupid thing, that was my point.

 

 

"Only 1 loss in xx matches when a particular top 6 batsman (a good one mind you) has remained not out" is like saying "Only 1 loss in xx matches when Aus needed 20 runs to win in 5 overs with 5 wickets left".

 

Aus (or any team for that matter) is expected to win from that situation every single time.

 

Similarly, a top 6 batsman remaining not out is expected to be on the winning side almost every single time.

 

Dhoni has been a great chaser and finisher. But this "Only 1 loss in xx games when he's been not out" is not the kind of stat which proves that. Not sure Jonty Rhodes is a great chaser/finisher. Can't really say from the stats of 33-1, because xx-1 is typical of any top 6 batsman irrespective of whether he's a great finisher or not.

 

 

PS: I already rephrased it to 'stupid way to look at a stat' in my 2nd post in this thread.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2018 by philcric

[velu]

12 minutes ago, philcric said:

 

"Only 1 loss in xx matches when a particular top 6 batsman (a good one mind you) has remained not out" is like saying "Only 1 loss in xx matches when Aus needed 20 runs to win in 5 overs with 5 wickets left".

 

Aus (or any team for that matter) is expected to win from that situation every single time.

 

Similarly, a top 6 batsman remaining not out is expected to be on the winning side almost every single time.

 

Dhoni has been a great chaser and finisher. But this "Only 1 loss in xx games when he's been not out" is not the kind of stat which proves that. Not sure Jonty Rhodes is a great chaser/finisher. Can't really say from the stats of 33-1, because xx-1 is typical of any top 6 batsman irrespective of whether he's a great finisher or not.

 

 

PS: I already rephrased it to 'stupid way to look at a stat' in my 2nd post in this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

preaching is easy .. but doing is different

one sample ..

 

 

[philcric]

1 minute ago, velu said:

 

preaching is easy .. but doing is different

one sample ..

 

 

Eh what ?

 

 

[velu]

1 minute ago, philcric said:

 

Eh what ?

 

 

 

you say what dhoni did was walk in the park for every batmen ..

probably you need to remove your dhoni-hate glass

[Vilander]

14 minutes ago, velu said:

 

preaching is easy .. but doing is different

one sample ..

 

 

tony greig on commentary there  :) miss his voice in the commentary box..

[philcric]

3 minutes ago, velu said:

 

you say what dhoni did was walk in the park for every batmen ..

 

 

No, that's not what I said.

 

I said a top or middle order batsman remaining not out will very very rarely result in a loss. Whether it's Dhoni or D Martyn or frikking Boucher.

 

Quote

 

probably you need to remove your dhoni-hate glass

 

 

 

Err ... just on this thread ....

 

"Nothing against Dhoni. He was a great middle order bat and a chaser."

 

"Dhoni makes my all time World ODI XI as Wk-Bat ahead of Gilchrist for the fact that great consistent late middle order batsmen are at a premium."

 

"Saying Dhoni plays very well in chases and remains not out in many games is fine."

 

"Dhoni has been a great chaser and finisher."

 

 

 

[velu]

6 minutes ago, philcric said:

No, that's not what I said.

 

I said a top or middle order batsman remaining not out will very very rarely result in a loss. Whether it's Dhoni or D Martyn or frikking Boucher.

 

 

not the case with lower middle order bat  

also staying not out to finish the game is different from getting out trying to finish the game ..

 

from your own stat take uv and dhoni .. both more or played the similar role when chasing

dhoni 44 vs uv 27 

[velu]

10 minutes ago, philcric said:

Err ... just on this thread ....

 

"Nothing against Dhoni. He was a great middle order bat and a chaser."

 

"Dhoni makes my all time World ODI XI as Wk-Bat ahead of Gilchrist for the fact that great consistent late middle order batsmen are at a premium."

 

"Saying Dhoni plays very well in chases and remains not out in many games is fine."

 

"Dhoni has been a great chaser and finisher."

 

i am confused  

[philcric]

16 minutes ago, velu said:

 

not the case with lower middle order bat  

also staying not out to finish the game is different from getting out trying to finish the game ..

 

from your own stat take uv and dhoni .. both more or played the similar role when chasing

dhoni 44 vs uv 27 

 

1 to 6 ... call it whatever you want .. top order, middle order, lower middle order.

 

From my stats .. Ponting, Jayawardene, Martyn, Yuvi, Raina, Tendulkar, Clarke, M Yousuf lost 0 games chasing when they remained not out. Awesome, isn't it?