Pujara & Miandad

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

Come up with all stats you want, Pujara could not lace Miandad's boots as a batsman , never ever full stop !!!

Kabhi Kabaar to mukhota nikal aata hain!

[Tattieboy]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

what mask...flimsy skin has been visible all along..haha you can never take pak out of a pakistani.

Afraid the joke is now on you 

[zen]

5 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

Come up with all stats you want, Pujara could not lace Miandad's boots as a batsman , never ever full stop !!!

I agree, Miandad can't be beaten in antics such as below:

 

 

[Tattieboy]

Just now, zen said:

I agree, Miandad can't be beaten in antics such as below:

 

 

Who is saying he didn't get upto antics?

Stick to the thread which is Pujara v Miandad as a batsman 

[zen]

Just now, Tattieboy said:

Who is saying he didn't get upto antics?

Stick to the thread which is Pujara v Miandad as a batsman 

pretty close! 

[vayuu1]

Yes pujara is a damn good batsmen but miandad is a different bat all together,batting is not just not about avg and strike rate you have to look at other aspects as well, that guy would get under skin of most bowlers of that era, he was a, street smart cricketer, who would always rotate strike add to that he was an extremely calm batsmen under pressure, not to forget he was one of the most important reason for the pak dominance over us after 85,remember sunny gavaskar sharing a story that when other team bowlers use to extract reverse swing, miandad use to watch closely the grip and use to keep bat on the side according to the grip, that's smart ,pujara on the other hand gets bogged down and looks timid. 

[zen]

3 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

Yes pujara is a damn good batsmen but miandad is a different bat all together,batting is not just not about avg and strike rate you have to look at other aspects as well, that guy would get under skin of most bowlers of that era, he was a, street smart cricketer, who would always rotate strike add to that he was an extremely calm batsmen under pressure,

• By that token he would have to be better than Dravid too, which is not the case 

 

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not to forget he was one of the most important reason for the pak dominance over us after 85,remember sunny gavaskar sharing a story that when other team bowlers use to extract reverse swing, miandad use to watch closely the grip and use to keep bat on the side according to the grip, that's smart ,pujara on the other hand gets bogged down and looks timid. 

• In Pak, his stats are inflated due to umpiring 
• Away, record was boosted by some good innings on flat pitches vs ordinary bowling as posted on this thread (271 vs NZ)
• Vs WI, the best team during his time, his record is ordinary (and falls short of some of the more highly regarded batsmen of his time)          

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	23	43	6	809+	48	Profile
filtered	1977-1993	16	28	0	834	114	29.78	2	4	0	77	3

• Reverse swing? I did not know our trundlers utilized that much. Also see comments on his away record and vs strong pace bowling sides above 
• I hope you are not confusing LOI performances w/ tests as this is what the thread is about 

 

In short, I do not see a big difference b/w Pujara and Miandad esp. in terms of impact. At home, both have steller records but I would give it to Pujara as he did not get assistance from home umpires. Pujara is also a better player of spin on turning tracks. On the rank turner at B'lore, this is how Miandad did  -> Link  .... At away, I would give it to Miandad at this point but it could change if Pujara does well in Aus 

Edited October 5, 2018 by zen

[SUMO]

Miandad was a level pujara honestly.

Pujara real competition could be

Younis "UAE" khan.

Record breaker at home. Chicken overseas. Rubbish in limited overs.

[sandeep]

22 minutes ago, Pace90 said:

So you are attempting to join those idiots who compare Afridi with Sehwag.

I'm saying that Pujara is eminently more comparable to Miandad. Take a look at the numbers, adjust for the ShakoorRana factor and it's damn close. 

 

 

[zen]

101 not out at Adelaide .... a gusty knock  

 

PS also completes 5K test runs 

Edited December 6, 2018 by zen

[zen]

Not so long ago also scored that unbeaten 100 in Eng .... what a test player! 

Edited December 6, 2018 by zen

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, zen said:

101 not out at Adelaide .... a gusty knock  

 

PS also completes 5K test runs 

A year down the line, people will say Adelaide is a flat track. though i do not think it is the usual Adelaide 550 pitch that we had in 2015 and before that.

[zen]

Just now, rkt.india said:

A year down the line, people will say Adelaide is a flat track. though i do not think it is the usual Adelaide 550 pitch that we had in 2015 and before that.

Other specialist failed so the track is out of equation 

[Vijy]

On 10/5/2018 at 3:15 PM, zen said:

• By that token he would have to be better than Dravid too, which is not the case 

 

• In Pak, his stats are inflated due to umpiring 
• Away, record was boosted by some good innings on flat pitches vs ordinary bowling as posted on this thread (271 vs NZ)
• Vs WI, the best team during his time, his record is ordinary (and falls short of some of the more highly regarded batsmen of his time)          

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	23	43	6	809+	48	Profile
filtered	1977-1993	16	28	0	834	114	29.78	2	4	0	77	3

• Reverse swing? I did not know our trundlers utilized that much. Also see comments on his away record and vs strong pace bowling sides above 
• I hope you are not confusing LOI performances w/ tests as this is what the thread is about 

 

In short, I do not see a big difference b/w Pujara and Miandad esp. in terms of impact. At home, both have steller records but I would give it to Pujara as he did not get assistance from home umpires. Pujara is also a better player of spin on turning tracks. On the rank turner at B'lore, this is how Miandad did  -> Link  .... At away, I would give it to Miandad at this point but it could change if Pujara does well in Aus 

I rate Miandad as being better than Chepu, for the simple reason that Chepu gets too bogged down outside SC and hardly scores 100s. As others have pointed out, he is great at scoring 40s and 50s in low scoring matches through grit, but does not succeed in scoring 100s on relatively batting-friendly pitches. To me, Chepu reminds me more of Younis Khan, except that Younis was The Boss at 4th innings chases. However, both Younis and Miandad have some big knocks outside Asia, whereas Chepu needs to get there.

[zen]

Pujara got 5k runs in his 108th inning. Which is same as Dravid and MoYo and similar (107th inning) to Miandad (w/ some help from Pak umpires) and KP. Among current players, Kohli got that in his 105th inning so Pujara is close 

 

PS Pujara ran himself out a few times or could have reached 5K runs earlier

Edited December 6, 2018 by zen

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Pujara got 5k runs in his 108th inning. Which is same as Dravid and MoYo and similar (107th inning) to Miandad (w/ some help from Pak umpires) and KP. Among current players, Kohli got that in his 105th inning so Pujara is close 

 

PS Pujara ran himself out a few times or could have reached 5K runs earlier

I never found the innings metric fully trustworthy. It tends to favour top order batsmen over middle order batsmen. plenty of great batsmen at 4-6 who will not rank high in the fastest to 5000 in terms of innings, but were great nonetheless.

[zen]

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2010-2018	67	113	8	5233	206*	49.83	11309	46.27	17	20	6	616	11	Profile
filtered	2014-2018	6	12	0	529	123	44.08	1356	39.01	2	2	1	54	2

 

 

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unfiltered	1976-1993	124	189	21	8832	280*	52.57	15164+	45.99*	23	43	6	809+	48	Profile
filtered	1976-1990	16	28	1	1028	131	38.07	2462	41.75	2	7	1	93	1

 

 

 

[zen]

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
CA Pujara	4	7	1	452	124*	75.33	1119	40.39	3	1	1	44	2
MA Agarwal	2	3	0	195	77	65.00	375	52.00	0	2	0	19	5
V Kohli	4	7	0	282	123	40.28	684	41.22	1	1	1	31	1
RG Sharma	2	4	1	106	63*	35.33	199	53.26	0	1	0	7	3
RR Pant	4	6	0	191	39	31.83	284	67.25	0	0	0	16	4
AM Rahane	4	7	0	217	70	31.00	463	46.86	0	2	0	18	3

 

 

A gusty performance Miandad would be proud off .... However, do not recall Miandad having such a series vs the strongest sides of his era in relatively difficult batting conditions 

[SK_IH]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

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CA Pujara	4	7	1	452	124*	75.33	1119	40.39	3	1	1	44	2
MA Agarwal	2	3	0	195	77	65.00	375	52.00	0	2	0	19	5
V Kohli	4	7	0	282	123	40.28	684	41.22	1	1	1	31	1
RG Sharma	2	4	1	106	63*	35.33	199	53.26	0	1	0	7	3
RR Pant	4	6	0	191	39	31.83	284	67.25	0	0	0	16	4
AM Rahane	4	7	0	217	70	31.00	463	46.86	0	2	0	18	3

 

 

A gusty performance Miandad would be proud off .... However, do not recall Miandad having such a series vs the strongest sides of his era in relatively difficult batting conditions 

wow, leave alone the opposition Pujara has comfortably outscored  Kohli, that in itself;f is a superb effort, considering the recent golden run of Kohli.

[sandeep]

@Pace90 Time to man up.