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4 hours ago, bahubali said:

But there are lot of facts also in his statement ,when he says how dhoni tried to save meyappan and how srini saved dhoni by shamelessly kicking out entire selection pannel.

Again all got to do with CSK no Dhoni vis a vis Indian team anything in sight.

 

Now facts are basically real and need evidence. I see two allegations here, Dhoni committed pejury and Srini 'saved' Dhoni by removing selection panel.

 

1,  Like accusing Dhoni of pejury, he should have actually lied on oath to safeguard meyappan( meaning lie to influence legal result for meyappan) if a court for instance decides that meyappan was a team team official and not just a rep from an owner and decides to not consider merits of a statement to the contrary from say Dhoni it still does not mean Dhoni lied on oath ( committed perjury),

 

2, The second one is very improbable wild goose chase of a discussion which we can avoid,difficult to be proven with evidence they will just deny it, there is some degree of merit that can be thrust in by claiming Srini was discharged off his BCCI role because of conflict on interest ( it still only means that a conflict of interest existed since there was reasonable belief that circumstances based on objective evidence allowed a risk of decisions being influenced by personal interest,which is secondary to the primary job of BCCI president) . Again it does not prove Srini committed an impropriety , that needs to be proven separately, and then there is arguments about absence of proof does not mean proof of absence then again innocent until proven guilty etc ( so wild goose chase).

 

3 hours ago, Laaloo said:

That doesn’t even make any sense.

Means this. Emotions vs Rationality.

Hate for pak is rational self preservation, one that might at times be prescribed for Indians by scholars so has logical basis in Indian individuals.

Hate for CSK for non CSK IPL supporters - now that is irrational there is no self preservation basis for it ( meaning no commando team from India cements came to kill Mumbaikars) so its based on Emotions ( meaning - oh how can CSK that originates from chennai a traditionally not pax Indian power center and non cricketing region win IPL - it should be won by Mumbai, IPL should always be overseen by pax India Mumbai. Mumbai ( or Gujarat or Bangalore or Delhi etc based on your regional affinity) should be preeminent for xyz reasons - so i hate CSK = this degrades to Emotion not based on reality).

 

Its cumbersome you make sense when you talk about Indian team and revert to irrational hate when you think of CSK. 

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2 hours ago, Vilander said:

Again all got to do with CSK no Dhoni vis a vis Indian team anything in sight.

 

Now facts are basically real and need evidence. I see two allegations here, Dhoni committed pejury and Srini 'saved' Dhoni by removing selection panel.

 

1,  Like accusing Dhoni of pejury, he should have actually lied on oath to safeguard meyappan( meaning lie to influence legal result for meyappan) if a court for instance decides that meyappan was a team team official and not just a rep from an owner and decides to not consider merits of a statement to the contrary from say Dhoni it still does not mean Dhoni lied on oath ( committed perjury),

 

2, The second one is very improbable wild goose chase of a discussion which we can avoid,difficult to be proven with evidence they will just deny it, there is some degree of merit that can be thrust in by claiming Srini was discharged off his BCCI role because of conflict on interest ( it still only means that a conflict of interest existed since there was reasonable belief that circumstances based on objective evidence allowed a risk of decisions being influenced by personal interest,which is secondary to the primary job of BCCI president) . Again it does not prove Srini committed an impropriety , that needs to be proven separately, and then there is arguments about absence of proof does not mean proof of absence then again innocent until proven guilty etc ( so wild goose chase).

 

Means this. Emotions vs Rationality.

Hate for pak is rational self preservation, one that might at times be prescribed for Indians by scholars so has logical basis in Indian individuals.

Hate for CSK for non CSK IPL supporters - now that is irrational there is no self preservation basis for it ( meaning no commando team from India cements came to kill Mumbaikars) so its based on Emotions ( meaning - oh how can CSK that originates from chennai a traditionally not pax Indian power center and non cricketing region win IPL - it should be won by Mumbai, IPL should always be overseen by pax India Mumbai. Mumbai ( or Gujarat or Bangalore or Delhi etc based on your regional affinity) should be preeminent for xyz reasons - so i hate CSK = this degrades to Emotion not based on reality).

 

Its cumbersome you make sense when you talk about Indian team and revert to irrational hate when you think of CSK. 

Why you think because he is from csk so he is hated, that's just your subconscious BIOS and shows a emotional connect what you have with csk. BTW there are so many thing which has not been proven in cricket still we as fan take fig on it. And here dhoni being captain of csk still says mayappan was just an enthusiast that's pure bs. You work for a company and don't know who is ye boss, what nonsense is this. Secondly srini fired selection committee after selection committee made a decision to remove dhoni has not something which happened in 80s when there was not goid media coverage it's everyone for their to see.

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Dhoni lied to Mudgal panel, Meiyappan was in regular touch'

The most disturbing feature of Justice Mukul Mudgal's report is not that the top BCCI officials are complicit in wrongdoing, but that the malaise may have spread and in the process compromised India's most powerful cricketer, writes Pradeep Magazine.

 

The most disturbing feature of Justice Mukul Mudgal's report is not that the top Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) officials are complicit in wrongdoing, but that the malaise may have spread and in the process compromised India's most powerful cricketer.

 

Let us not focus here on N Srinivasan and his band of merry men; enough has been written about their "misdeeds" and the disdain with which they treat serious charges against them.

 

I, like a million others, am curious to know who are Individuals 2 and 3 referred to in the report, and why have they been mentioned.

The report says that Individual 2 met Gurunath Meiyappan in his hotel room a number of times.

Why should this constitute a crime? If he is a Chennai Super Kings (CSK) player he is bound to meet a man acting as a team official. To decipher this mystery, one has to go back to the first report on the basis of which the Supreme Court had ordered a second probe.

 

Nailing the lie

In it, India and CSK captain MS Dhoni was recorded as saying that Meiyappan was not playing the role of a team official and Dhoni had not or rarely met him outside the playing field. But the Mudgal panel felt Dhoni had lied, and this point was heatedly debated in the court.

 

In their second report, when the panel says that Individual 2 met Meiyappan a number of times in his hotel room, it should become clear who this player is and why this "trivial" fact is significant.

 

It shows Meiyappan was in regular touch with the captain, and that the captain had lied to the Mudgal panel.

 

This leads to a second question the answer to which we are not privy to, as none of us has seen the second report which has been given in a sealed envelope to the Court. That report mentions the names of players who may be involved in various "misdemeanours" if one may put it so.

 

It was reported last year that Rhiti Sports, which represents various business interests of Dhoni, may, in fact, be owned by the captain himself.

 

Doubts were raised about where Arun Pandey, an Indian Airlines employee when he founded the company and signed Dhoni for a Rs 200 crore three-year deal, got the funds from.

 

Later it was reported that Dhoni had bought 30,000 shares in the company and sold them back a month later. It would be extremely disappointing if the probe led by BB Mishra, a very honest and competent police officer, has not gone into this.

 

Imagine a captain having stakes in a company which looks after the business interests of various other cricketers!

 

Covering up?

Now to Individual 3. Why would the Board cover up his code violation and why should it find a mention in the report? Individual 3, by all accounts, seems to be a CSK and an important India player, especially in one-dayers.

 

The incident occurred in Sri Lanka a few years ago, when the player, according to board sources, got a woman into his hotel room at night and the anti-corruption unit reported this matter to BCCI, suspecting a "honey trap".

 

The probe panel deemed it important to mention this as the BCCI (read Srinivasan) chose not to take any action. It is being reported that Ranjib Biswal, who was the India team manager on that tour, has defended the BCCI, saying that action had been taken and the player was reprimanded.

 

If so, it would be interesting to find if Biswal, a close confidant of Srinivasan, said this to the probe panel as well, or are his utterances now an afterthought?

There is also speculation that one key player of India's World Cup-winning team has been named for being involved with bookies.

First the officials and now even the players - there can't be a more damning indictment of Indian cricket.

First Published: Nov 21, 2014 00:57 IST

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/dhoni-lied-to-mudgal-panel-meiyappan-was-in-regular-touch/story-CAbPBG5jnkkF4kpDgLD2JI.html

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1 hour ago, Stan AF said:

Dhoni lied to Mudgal panel, Meiyappan was in regular touch'

The most disturbing feature of Justice Mukul Mudgal's report is not that the top BCCI officials are complicit in wrongdoing, but that the malaise may have spread and in the process compromised India's most powerful cricketer, writes Pradeep Magazine.

 

The most disturbing feature of Justice Mukul Mudgal's report is not that the top Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) officials are complicit in wrongdoing, but that the malaise may have spread and in the process compromised India's most powerful cricketer.

 

Let us not focus here on N Srinivasan and his band of merry men; enough has been written about their "misdeeds" and the disdain with which they treat serious charges against them.

 

I, like a million others, am curious to know who are Individuals 2 and 3 referred to in the report, and why have they been mentioned.

The report says that Individual 2 met Gurunath Meiyappan in his hotel room a number of times.

Why should this constitute a crime? If he is a Chennai Super Kings (CSK) player he is bound to meet a man acting as a team official. To decipher this mystery, one has to go back to the first report on the basis of which the Supreme Court had ordered a second probe.

 

Nailing the lie

In it, India and CSK captain MS Dhoni was recorded as saying that Meiyappan was not playing the role of a team official and Dhoni had not or rarely met him outside the playing field. But the Mudgal panel felt Dhoni had lied, and this point was heatedly debated in the court.

 

In their second report, when the panel says that Individual 2 met Meiyappan a number of times in his hotel room, it should become clear who this player is and why this "trivial" fact is significant.

 

It shows Meiyappan was in regular touch with the captain, and that the captain had lied to the Mudgal panel.

 

This leads to a second question the answer to which we are not privy to, as none of us has seen the second report which has been given in a sealed envelope to the Court. That report mentions the names of players who may be involved in various "misdemeanours" if one may put it so.

 

It was reported last year that Rhiti Sports, which represents various business interests of Dhoni, may, in fact, be owned by the captain himself.

 

Doubts were raised about where Arun Pandey, an Indian Airlines employee when he founded the company and signed Dhoni for a Rs 200 crore three-year deal, got the funds from.

 

Later it was reported that Dhoni had bought 30,000 shares in the company and sold them back a month later. It would be extremely disappointing if the probe led by BB Mishra, a very honest and competent police officer, has not gone into this.

 

Imagine a captain having stakes in a company which looks after the business interests of various other cricketers!

 

Covering up?

Now to Individual 3. Why would the Board cover up his code violation and why should it find a mention in the report? Individual 3, by all accounts, seems to be a CSK and an important India player, especially in one-dayers.

 

The incident occurred in Sri Lanka a few years ago, when the player, according to board sources, got a woman into his hotel room at night and the anti-corruption unit reported this matter to BCCI, suspecting a "honey trap".

 

The probe panel deemed it important to mention this as the BCCI (read Srinivasan) chose not to take any action. It is being reported that Ranjib Biswal, who was the India team manager on that tour, has defended the BCCI, saying that action had been taken and the player was reprimanded.

 

If so, it would be interesting to find if Biswal, a close confidant of Srinivasan, said this to the probe panel as well, or are his utterances now an afterthought?

There is also speculation that one key player of India's World Cup-winning team has been named for being involved with bookies.

First the officials and now even the players - there can't be a more damning indictment of Indian cricket.

First Published: Nov 21, 2014 00:57 IST

 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/dhoni-lied-to-mudgal-panel-meiyappan-was-in-regular-touch/story-CAbPBG5jnkkF4kpDgLD2JI.html

Thanks @Stan AF.   @Vilander  you have ur evidence.

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