Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Nikola said: So play bhuvi because we don't have alternatives? Umesh wasn't that bad in 2015 worldcup. Yes other than that umesh has been poor but you are just clearly ignoring how poor bhuvi has been. 50+ Avg vs SENA countries. That's a what great batsman want to have. I would try youngster instead of this tried & proven failure trundler. not play but definately can be in squad ahead of umesh, kaul, chahar , thakur 2015 was in Aus, those pitches suited umesh better then eng wud , where he was toothless recently Everyone here wud try youngster, but wo nhin hone wala accept it . Team mngmt men chappell nhin baitha....aur wc se kuch mahina pehle uski bhi chalni band ho gyi thi youngsters ko chance milna hota abhi tak mil gya hota UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Nikola Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: not play but definately can be in squad ahead of umesh, kaul, chahar , thakur 2015 was in Aus, those pitches suited umesh better then eng wud , where he was toothless recently Everyone here wud try youngster, but wo nhin hone wala accept it . Team mngmt men chappell nhin baitha....aur wc se kuch mahina pehle uski bhi chalni band ho gyi thi youngsters ko chance milna hota abhi tak mil gya hota You are talking as if England pitches in odis have alot help for pacers. They are flattest in world and we know bhubi sucks badly on flat tracks. Edited October 30, 2018 by Nikola Suhaan and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Forever Indian Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, rkt.india said: CT 2013. BK 5 games 6 wickets at 22. Ishant 5 games 10 wickets at 21. Ok, second best in one of them. Point is he has been doing well in England ICC tourneys. Bumrah for all his good bowling otherwise, was disappointing in last CT. Bhuvi should definitely be in the squad and the three Pacers in good form should be played. UrmiSinhaRay and beetle 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, rkt.india said: There is something going on for sure. No one in right mind will say Deepak Chahar is a better bowler or a better prospect than Ankit Rajpoot. It only points to one sad thing If these NZ-A selection n Deodhar are anything to go by Selectors have decided Kaul, thakur, chahar are considered as backups and they wanna give them as much game time as possible Unadkat n dhawal seems to be their backup Saini n Siraj looks to be in line for test backups so they are given games as well Had mavi, kulwant, rajpoot been on their radar they wud have played them and its very clear they are not even considering them Thats the bunch they have decided for WC and now they will give them game time, even manju in commentary said we shud look at unadkat again Thats our mindset, Wc pass aa rha hai lets play safe.....go for experienced ones or someone with control kyunki ab youngster ko bnanae ka time nhin rha....one khaleel wud be making them sweat that he comes good. They Dnt have the balls to try more youngsters . Good things in Indian cricket only happen by accident or after the accident Edited October 30, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03 UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nikola said: You are talking as if England pitches in odis have alot help for pacers. They are flattest in world and we know bhubi sucks badly on flat tracks. abbe mere bhai we have established that bhuvi isnt gr8 Samajh ,men kya bol rha hu Option kya hai ????? youngster???? bhul ja , nhin hone wala .....ye indian cricket hai.... jo backup selector ne decide kiye hai na unse umesh bhuvi ache lagne lagenge We all want new player, lekin in reality wo ICF ke thread XI men hi khelene wale hia Kohli n MSK wnt take them Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Tendulkar1996 said: In England we need BK in first 10 overs ,end of story really. bhuvi isnt gr8 in first few overs now, he is better in death these days UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Nikola said: You are talking as if England pitches in odis have alot help for pacers. They are flattest in world and we know bhubi sucks badly on flat tracks. Yeah i was all for trying youngsters but time is not left to try youngsters,atleast we can have shami in the mix,we have to make use of the current rotten lot.. Also wouldn't want any youngster tried too early under this current regime(mainly dhoni and his csk mates)as it would be quite unfair on them..look what have they done with Rahul and Pant,a fast bowler in India has to run his entire life on the edge of sword specially the ones who are not trundlers UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Tendulkar1996 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: bhuvi isnt gr8 in first few overs now, he is better in death these days In the asia cup he bowled beautifully in opening overs.And in england he will get swing. beetle and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Tendulkar1996 said: In the asia cup he bowled beautifully in opening overs.And in england he will get swing. Swing in eng in odi is a hype now , its flat as hell Asia cup had week team UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Swing in eng in odi is a hype now , its flat as hell Asia cup had week team He's clearly out of sorts. People quoting his cumulative stats are missing the forest for the trees. Same folks keep trashing Ishant over his career numbers, without realizing that Ishant's test stats in the last 3 years or so are top-shelf. Bhuvi had turned himself around as an LOI bowler over the last couple of years. But he is nowhere near as good right now. Is it an issue that can be cured with game-time or benching? UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, sandeep said: He's clearly out of sorts. People quoting his cumulative stats are missing the forest for the trees. Same folks keep trashing Ishant over his career numbers, without realizing that Ishant's test stats in the last 3 years or so are top-shelf. Bhuvi had turned himself around as an LOI bowler over the last couple of years. But he is nowhere near as good right now. Is it an issue that can be cured with game-time or benching? but stats say otherwise. he actually got worse even if i exclude the matches he played after his injury since SA tour. i have taken his stats from Dec 2015 to Feb 2018, just over 2 year period. Here is the record in those two years. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/326016.html?class=2;spanmax1=29+Feb+2018;spanmin1=30+Dec+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 unfiltered 2012-2018 94 93 754.4 60 3773 98 5/42 38.50 4.99 46.2 2 1 Profile filtered 2016-2018 31 30 237.5 13 1261 30 5/42 42.03 5.30 47.5 0 1 Edited October 30, 2018 by rkt.india UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Tendulkar1996 said: In the asia cup he bowled beautifully in opening overs.And in england he will get swing. Didn't see a single ball having conventional swing in england last champions trophy, there is no swing on offer there now in odis/t20is, all they are preparing is flat pattas. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He clearly is not 100%, not bowling with his usual brisk pace which he found post 2016. UrmiSinhaRay and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: but stats say otherwise. he actually got worse even if i exclude the matches he played after his injury since SA tour. i have taken his stats from Dec 2015 to Feb 2018, just over 2 year period. Here is the record in those two years. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/326016.html?class=2;spanmax1=29+Feb+2018;spanmin1=30+Dec+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Career averages Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 unfiltered 2012-2018 94 93 754.4 60 3773 98 5/42 38.50 4.99 46.2 2 1 Profile filtered 2016-2018 31 30 237.5 13 1261 30 5/42 42.03 5.30 47.5 0 1 The numbers lay it out in black and white. And his wickets column make for harsh reading. I was speaking about the quality of his bowling when you watch him over the course of the last 2 years. Even that has noticeably dropped in the last couple of games. And I'm a vocal, self-confessed huge Bhuvi fan, my bias will always run in his favor. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, sandeep said: He's clearly out of sorts. People quoting his cumulative stats are missing the forest for the trees. Same folks keep trashing Ishant over his career numbers, without realizing that Ishant's test stats in the last 3 years or so are top-shelf. Bhuvi had turned himself around as an LOI bowler over the last couple of years. But he is nowhere near as good right now. Is it an issue that can be cured with game-time or benching? Both sides have a point As a bowler his skill set has improved a lot, even though I feel his new ball bowling skill has gone down but his variation , bowling with old ball has improved a lot Counter point The results arent their to show is also true But he certainely demands a place in squad due to various reason 1. Experience 2. Good skill set in death 3. Gives a bit with bat as well 4. Selectors havent prep the right backups 5. If not him it will be umesh, and ill take a bowler who u can set fields for not the one whose field is set on off and he bowls at leg Most imp its times to digest that selectors have decided that Bhuvi Bumrah Shami Chahar Kaul Umesh Thakur Unadat Dhawal khaleel Are the bowlers that are being look at for WC, I have given up on bringing new names till WC ...its better we all....unless its in someone destiny. Now select 4 among them to take in WC squad and bhuvi will feature in 95% squad easily About the cure for that the problem needs to be identified which is what zak mentioned Edited October 30, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03 UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: The numbers lay it out in black and white. And his wickets column make for harsh reading. I was speaking about the quality of his bowling when you watch him over the course of the last 2 years. Even that has noticeably dropped in the last couple of games. And I'm a vocal, self-confessed huge Bhuvi fan, my bias will always run in his favor. his death bowling did improve and he started bowling more at death as well in this period. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, rkt.india said: his death bowling did improve and he started bowling more at death as well in this period. He's doing a decent job at the death, but we need both our front-line pacers to be taking wickets up front. In modern ODIs, all teams will run away to big-ass scores unless you keep taking wickets. That is the reason why we dropped Ash-Jaddu in favor of Kul-Cha. And if Bhuvi doesn't find his way back to taking wickets with the new ball, and soon, he may have to go the same route. beetle 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, sandeep said: He's doing a decent job at the death, but we need both our front-line pacers to be taking wickets up front. In modern ODIs, all teams will run away to big-ass scores unless you keep taking wickets. That is the reason why we dropped Ash-Jaddu in favor of Kul-Cha. And if Bhuvi doesn't find his way back to taking wickets with the new ball, and soon, he may have to go the same route. He actually was never a wicket taker unless conditions are really helpful. we need to find more hit the deck bowlers who can get bounce. In ODIs, bounce is the key with the new ball. Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, rkt.india said: He actually was never a wicket taker unless conditions are really helpful. we need to find more hit the deck bowlers who can get bounce. In ODIs, bounce is the key with the new ball. Actually, from what I remember, he was quite incisive with the new ball early in his career, and a bit toothless for the rest of the game. But it doesn't matter. Past is history, and standards in Indian cricket and pace bowling have happily moved higher. Bhuvi needs to take regular wickets with the new ball if he wants to be de facto first choice starter in the ODI XI. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, rkt.india said: we need to find more hit the deck bowlers who can get bounce. In ODIs, bounce is the key with the new ball. I don't know why Ishwar Pandey was totally ignored. 6'3" guy who got bounce but was a genuine outswing bowler too. He was selected for the Indian squad around the same time as Mohit, but never ever played for India. Now we are seeing the same with Rajpoot. We seem to have an aversion towards tall bouncy pacers unless his name is Ishant. Even Aniket C never got a single game. Edited October 31, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, UrmiSinhaRay, Vilander and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
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