Virat Kohli requests to BCCI that Team India pacers should skip IPL, rest for World Cup

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Smart move by Kohli, the fast bowlers should get ample rest and also all the fourteen members should be pull out 2 weeks before and get rest.

 

No fast bowler who are sure selections should play IPL next season , IPL is not important.

Their life, their careers. Not for you to deciede whats important or not for their choices. This is a free country not a commie dictatorship. Kohli needs to stay within his Aukaad and not interfere what goes outside of team india jurisdiction.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Their life, their careers. Not for you to deciede whats important or not for their choices. This is a free country not a commie dictatorship. Kohli needs to stay within his Aukaad and not interfere what goes outside of team india jurisdiction.

What are you talking about , he is the captain of the team and he has full right to protect his players from getting hurt in IPL. Those bowlers are going to get compensated  like Shami was when he got hurt.

 

It is a win win for everybody.You have no clue on what captaincy is all about.He is doing something which is good for Indian cricket .

[singhprakash72]

Not having the freak IPL circus next year will do a world of good to Indian team. Bewda and Virat have already screwed the best chance to win in series SA and Eng.

[rkt.india]

8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Their life, their careers. Not for you to deciede whats important or not for their choices. This is a free country not a commie dictatorship. Kohli needs to stay within his Aukaad and not interfere what goes outside of team india jurisdiction.

Team India players come under Team India and BCCI jurisdiction and it is in their rights decide those players should play or should not play because they have come through BCCI system and not fell on earth from the sky. So, no, they do not have free will until they are under BCCI contract.

[Muloghonto]

13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Team India players come under Team India and BCCI jurisdiction and it is in their rights decide those players should play or should not play because they have come through BCCI system and not fell on earth from the sky. So, no, they do not have free will until they are under BCCI contract.

No it is not their right or their jurisdiction. Its their jurisdiction only if they play with a competitor. Your post is as assinine as saying your boss should be able to tell you whether to go to movies tonight or get more sleep for good work tomorrow. 

They have free will to do whatever they want to do, outside of their employment hours. Just like you or me. And Virat is NOT the guy who should be making those decisions anyways, since he is a player and there is definite conflict of interest.

[Muloghonto]

17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What are you talking about , he is the captain of the team and he has full right to protect his players from getting hurt in IPL. Those bowlers are going to get compensated  like Shami was when he got hurt.

 

It is a win win for everybody.You have no clue on what captaincy is all about.He is doing something which is good for Indian cricket .

he is captain of team India. He has zero right to say what a player does outside of team india commitments. Your comments are as ridiculous as your boss telling you what time to go to bed because it will affect your performance tomorrow. 

 

Compensated or not, its the bowlers' decision whether they want to play or not, period. He isnt doing anything good for Indian cricket, he is demonstrating that he is a total goonda and has totalitarian tendencies. Like a typical unpar-gawaar individual.

 

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No it is not their right or their jurisdiction. Its their jurisdiction only if they play with a competitor. Your post is as assinine as saying your boss should be able to tell you whether to go to movies tonight or get more sleep for good work tomorrow. 

They have free will to do whatever they want to do, outside of their employment hours. Just like you or me. And Virat is NOT the guy who should be making those decisions anyways, since he is a player and there is definite conflict of interest.

but it is not similar here.  A company will never allow his employee to work for another company that works in the same field.  There is a reason BCCI does not allow Indian players to play in foreign T20 leagues. Though IPL and team India both are BCCI entities, so, BCCI can dictate whether they would play or not.

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

but it is not similar here.  A company will never allow his employee to work for another company that works in the same field.  There is a reason BCCI does not allow Indian players to play in foreign T20 leagues. Though IPL and team India both are BCCI entities, so, BCCI can dictate whether they would play or not.

No, BCCI cannot. Because it is called unfair employment protection. There is also case of discrimination - bowlers are not the only ones who risk getting hurt playing, batsmen get hurt too. 
Just because you work for a company does not mean the company can dictate whatever employment terms to you - which is why there are fair practice employment protection issues.  BCCI is still obligated to treat ALL its employees equally and fairly. 

And Virat is definitely overreaching his authority, as he is a player and therefore,fundamentally not impartial in it, either. 

[putrevus]

17 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

he is captain of team India. He has zero right to say what a player does outside of team india commitments. Your comments are as ridiculous as your boss telling you what time to go to bed because it will affect your performance tomorrow. 

 

Compensated or not, its the bowlers' decision whether they want to play or not, period. He isnt doing anything good for Indian cricket, he is demonstrating that he is a total goonda and has totalitarian tendencies. Like a typical unpar-gawaar individual.

 

No they are not. these bowlers are employees of BCCI and IPL falls under BCCI .Your comments and analogy make no sense. Any employer has right to rest his employees. As a captain who is representing the team in the meetings, he is voicing his opinion which he is fully entitled to do it.

 

What is this goonda nonsense.

[CSK Fan]

11 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No they are not. these bowlers are employees of BCCI and IPL falls under BCCI .Your comments and analogy make no sense. Any employer has right to rest his employees. As a captain who is representing the team in the meetings, he is voicing his opinion which he is fully entitled to do it.

 

What is this goonda nonsense.

Ipl overview falls under bcci but individual franchises do not. Thats the whole point of them buying franchises and paying players. Franchises are employers during IPL. Bhuvi and bumrah got multi millions. No way are they going to get ny franchise to bid that much for them if they start resting

 Franchises will start punishing fast bowlers by not bidding for them

[Muloghonto]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No they are not. these bowlers are employees of BCCI and IPL falls under BCCI .Your comments and analogy make no sense. Any employer has right to rest his employees.

Ok. Virat kohli is not the employer- he is also an employee. There is nowhere in his mandate to tell players what to do off the field. Show me the clause in BCCI contracts or definitons that allows captains the right to tell players what to do once they are off the field. 

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

As a captain who is representing the team in the meetings, he is voicing his opinion which he is fully entitled to do it.

He is representing the team as a member of the team. Not as a person in charge of the team exclusively.  Not. His. Place. 


All this is proving that India desperately needs a team manager to put a player over-stepping his role (Kohli) back in the place.

 

Let the team management be done by those responsible for managing the team and lets not burden the captain with anything more than focussing on his performance and what to do with toss, bowling changes and field placements. Thats where the role of the captain should end. 

 

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

Ipl overview falls under bcci but individual franchises do not. Thats the whole point of them buying franchises and paying players. Franchises are employers during IPL. Bhuvi and bumrah got multi millions. No way are they going to get ny franchise to bid that much for them if they start resting

 Franchises will start punishing fast bowlers by not bidding for them

No, franchises will simply sue BCCI for money in the courts and win.

By impeding their employees to go to work, BCCI will end up owing the franchises both the salary compensation and any potential 'revenue loss from lower performances due to forcing an employee not to take part'. 

 

This idea of Kohli is nothing more than him overstepping his role and BCCI showing why Indian team management is still a lallu-panju joke by professional sporting team standards.

 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

Ipl overview falls under bcci but individual franchises do not. Thats the whole point of them buying franchises and paying players. Franchises are employers during IPL. Bhuvi and bumrah got multi millions. No way are they going to get ny franchise to bid that much for them if they start resting

 Franchises will start punishing fast bowlers by not bidding for them

No they are not part of franchise till they show up to play for them till then BCCI retains the ownership, just like how other boards pull their players out even after the auction if they feel their players need rest. 

 

While it is a problem for franchises , that is part of doing business with BCCI.It is BCCI's job to explaing to franchises and make sure they remain happy.

[Muloghonto]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No they are not part of franchise till they show up to play for them till then BCCI retains the ownership, just like how other boards pull their players out even after the auction if they feel their players need rest. 

 

While it is a problem for franchises , that is part of doing business with BCCI.It is BCCI's job to explaing to franchises and make sure they remain happy.

Key word: BCCI.

Kohli is not BCCI, neither is the role of the captain defined as someone who has authority on their personal workloads, outside of his own team he is captaining. 

 

Kohli is overstepping his bounds, period.

[mishra]

BCCI can pay Mumbai Indians a compensation provided Mumbai Indians agree, which Rohit has allready said , not going to happen.

Case closed

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Key word: BCCI.

Kohli is not BCCI, neither is the role of the captain defined as someone who has authority on their personal workloads, outside of his own team he is captaining. 

 

Kohli is overstepping his bounds, period.

Kohli is the captain and as a captain he has every right to request BCCI and take care of players in his team. Rest is up to BCCI. Kohli has already played an important role in increasing contractual money for India cricketers especially thr test only players got benefitted. So if he can do that, he can do this too.

[Muloghonto]

26 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli is the captain and as a captain he has every right to request BCCI and take care of players in his team.

Nope. Show me where in BCCI clauses captains have such right given to them. 
Again, he is captain of a team. not manager. He gets to pick his 11 from 14-15 selected and make on-field decisions. Everything else, is out of his jurisdiction. 

His authority ends the moment they step off the field, period.

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Rest is up to BCCI. Kohli has already played an important role in increasing contractual money for India cricketers especially thr test only players got benefitted. So if he can do that, he can do this too.

No, he cannot. It only shows how amateur Indian sporting setup still is. Captain is captain. Not GM or Coach. Thats way too much power being handed to a player, which creates conflict of interest. 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Muloghonto

[Laaloo]

On 11/8/2018 at 6:15 AM, Austin 3:!6 said:

Yes that I agree. I love IPL only due to ICF. The threads and banters in IPL section are hilarious

No more fun ;((

 

There were too many sensitive souls here. Don't wanna name any names

[beetle]

Virat wants to be a dictator.

Bcci should not listen to his every demand.

[Global.Baba]

48 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

No more fun ;((

 

There were too many sensitive souls here. Don't wanna name any names