Sam Curran what an all rounder

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Ive always believed we need 5 proper bowlers in Test Cricket and Pandya's current bowling is not up to the Test standards, and also his inconsistency with his batting, which is supposed to be his strong suit.

Ohh as if ur specilist batmsan are conistent apart from kohli 

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

He is just like Dhoni in ODIs, messing up with the team balance, we are always a player short either with the batting or bowling whenever Pandya is in the team. 

how is his n dhoni comparison done

Dhoni is on last leg 

Pandya is starting

 

Pandya question is wether to play all rounder or speciliast

In regd to dhoni u hve to play a speaclist keeper, the point is who now

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

But he is invaluable for our LOI team. He is a must in T20s and ODIs. 

M not saying is a pillar in test but he is the need 

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, Lannister said:

All teams are playing nowadays. Their 5th bowlers can also take wickets on a consistent basis, not just contain runs. Here Pandya does nothing except to clown around. 

what are u talking about

In SA n ENG most days 4 bowler did job coz wkts were very spicy 

Few days pandya was needed, in which he did well 

 

HE came n took a fifer in 3rd test in a spell and won u the game

2nd test he bowled extremely tight and took 3 wkts infact check his stats it was best among 5 bowler

In Sa 1st test when their a opening partnership he came n took both openers wkts 

 

SO if he is getting 5 chances he is doing well in 2-3 , no one will deilver everytime 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

thats not the solution. if X is bad, lets condone Y

the solution is 1st fix ur x then come to y 
and X problem is not consitency but also lack of 2nd skill 

 

U do not have ganguly, sehwag, sachin whom toghter can give 10-12 overs and u can play batsman

 

U wanna solve pandya problem-

1st find conistent batsman - thats their primary job

2nd - they shud have the 2nd skill of bowling , atleast 2-3 shud

 

Do u have option who fullfill those 2 criteria ????

[SK_IH]

5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

the solution is 1st fix ur x then come to y 
and X problem is not consitency but also lack of 2nd skill 

 

U do not have ganguly, sehwag, sachin whom toghter can give 10-12 overs and u can play batsman

 

U wanna solve pandya problem-

1st find conistent batsman - thats their primary job

2nd - they shud have the 2nd skill of bowling , atleast 2-3 shud

 

Do u have option who fullfill those 2 criteria ????

firstly whats this BS about 2nd skill, there is no need of a player if his primary skill is not good enough, forget the 2nd skill.

 

coming to batting order, they will be changed if they dont improve but they are primarily batsman who have scored runs in domestic cricket to warrant that spot unlike Pandya who has mediocre numbers and is playing on potential.

 

for winning test matches you need quality and not gimmicky all rounders to give comfort to main bowelrs. so, if they are none available, hard luck, try to win with you have got, instead of wasting a spot.

 

 

[putrevus]

This nonsense that Pandya is an allrounder that give relief to bowlers , so he has to play as an allrounder. No unless any player who is good enough with either ball or bat, they don't warrant a place on the team.Secondary  skill is not important at all if are below average in primary skill.

 

Pandya might work in odis becuase you need players who can role their arm and tonk few balls.For tests you need players who are legit and not bits and pieces players.Pandya will never become a core player of the team even in odis long term unless he improves his batting .

 

Pandya is 25 ,he has been around this team long enough to stop playing him on his potential and demand performances from him.

Edited November 15, 2018 by putrevus

[putrevus]

20 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Those were great batting conditions with the pressure off with a substantial lead.

 

All of Curran’s innings came in back to the wall situations.

Spot on, Kapil dev might not have great stats but he played some great innings when his team needed them.Padding stats is not what we want from a player.Pandya is being played purely on his potential as nothing he has done on any level which warrants his selections.

[ShoonyaSifar]

58 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Spot on, Kapil dev might not have great stats but he played some great innings when his team needed them.Padding stats is not what we want from a player.Pandya is being played purely on his potential as nothing he has done on any level which warrants his selections.

A player who can average 30-35 with the bat and bowl 140+, is a very good fielder - we have earned for such a guy for so long. There is absolutely nothing wrong in giving him opportunities. 

 

For Pandya to have a longer career especially in Tests, his bowling has to evolve. In easier batting conditions in Asia/Aus, he will be as efficient as any other batsman. His utility is in bowling those 10-12 overs to give the main bowlers some rest and keep them fresh for each spell. This will be specially needed on flatter wickets. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

This nonsense that Pandya is an allrounder that give relief to bowlers , so he has to play as an allrounder. No unless any play who is good enough with either ball or bat they don't warrant a place on the team.Secondary  skill is not important at all.

 

Pandya might work in odis becuase you need players who can role their arm and tonk few balls.For tests you need players who are legit and not bits and pieces players.Pandya will never become a core player of the team even in odis long term unless he improves his batting .

 

Pandya is 25 ,he has been around this team long enough to stop playing him on his potential and demand performances from him.

That will rule out most batsmen when they play away from Asia including Rahane, Pujara and Rahul. Pandya is being judged on the 7 tests in SA and Eng where every batsman other than Kohli failed. He had 15 wickets in those tests including a match winning 5-er.

 

 

 

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

A player who can average 30-35 with the bat and bowl 140+, is a very good fielder - we have earned for such a guy for so long. There is absolutely nothing wrong in giving him opportunities. 

 

For Pandya to have a longer career especially in Tests, his bowling has to evolve. In easier batting conditions in Asia/Aus, he will be as efficient as any other batsman. His utility is in bowling those 10-12 overs to give the main bowlers some rest and keep them fresh for each spell. This will be specially needed on flatter wickets. 

He does not bowl 140 + , just becuase he bowled couple of deliveries at that speed he doesn't become 140+ bowler.

 

Pandya cannot complain about him not getting opportunities. He has not evolved either as a bowler or batsman who could be consistent.There is nothing which Pandya does is consistent and those type of players don't last long.He might work in subcontinent conditions becuase the need of no 6  is minimized as top order is usually good enough and Ashwin and Jadeja are very capable batsmen.He will not work  overseas unless his batting is good enough to be top six or bowling good enough to top three fast bowler.

Edited November 15, 2018 by putrevus

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

That will rule out most batsmen when they play away from Asia including Rahane, Pujara and Rahul. Pandya is being judged on the 7 tests in SA and Eng where every batsman other than Kohli failed. He had 15 wickets in those tests including a match winning 5-er.

 

 

 

Rahane, Pujara and Rahul are on their last legs.They don't deserve their places for the crappy show they have put up in last three tours.Just becuase they stunk it is okay for Pandya to be in the team is stupid logic.

 

 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Spot on, Kapil dev might not have great stats but he played some great innings when his team needed them.Padding stats is not what we want from a player.Pandya is being played purely on his potential as nothing he has done on any level which warrants his selections.

yeah like Pandya has already played 3-4 good innings in his 11 test old career.  People are so quick to judge.  These are the same who were asking for Kohli's head after his first 10 tests where he averaged 30 and failed badly in WI. 

[rkt.india]

16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Rahane, Pujara and Rahul are on their last legs.They don't deserve their places for the crappy show they have put up in last three tours.Just becuase they stunk it is okay for Pandya to be in the team is stupid logic.

 

 

No, none of them is on their last leg.  They will be and should be persisted with.

[putrevus]

Just now, rkt.india said:

yeah like Pandya has already played 3-4 good innings in his 11 test old career.  People are so quick to judge.  These are the same who were asking for Kohli's head after his first 10 tests where he averaged 30 and failed badly in WI. 

Stop comparing Kohli's failures to Pandya.Kohli was very successful in Odis  and he was dropped after his failures in WI in case you forgot.His bad tour in England can happen to any batsman.He was successful everywhere else he played.

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He does not bowl 140 + , just becuase he bowled couple of deliveries at that speed he doesn't become 140+ bowler.

 

Pandya cannot complain about him not getting opportunities. He has not evolved either as a bowler or batsman who could be consistent.There is nothing which Pandya does is consistent and those type of players don't last long.He might work in subcontinent conditions becuase the need of no 6  is minimized as top order is usually good enough and Ashwin and Jadeja are very capable batsmen.He will not work  overseas unless his batting is good enough to be top six or bowling good enough to top three fast bowler.

In England.

4th Test - Average speed 85 mph, top speed 90 mph

3rd test - Average speed 86 mph, top speed 90 mph

2nd test - Average speed 84 mph top speed 90 mph

1st test - Average speed 83 mph, top speed 86 mph

 

In South Africa

1st Test - Average speed 84 mph, top speed 89 mph

2nd Test - Average speed 83 mph, top speed 88 mph

 

Basically he is a 83-85 mph bowler in Tests and can bowl 90 mph (145+ not just 140+,and no its not a couple of 140+ deliveries, there are a dozen of those or more in each match).

 

Should he bowl better? Definitely.

 

With bat, he averages 62 in Asia, 29 away (much like some of our front line batsmen) and picks a couple of wickets each tests bowling 10-12 overs. IMO thats decent enough for now as the 5th bowler but as he plays more, he has to do better with both bat and especially ball, else his career won't be long.

 

 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

No, none of them is on their last leg.  They will be and should be persisted with.

If they stink like they have done in last tours none of them will survive which would be right thing to do.Pujara earned himself a grace period for his 100s.50 plus tests and two overseas cycles is good enough sample to judge any batsman.

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Sam Curran, as a great as he has been with the bat, has picked 14 wickets in 13 innings. Had that one 4-fer in his debut test vs us and since then has bowled 7-8 overs an on average in each innings

 

He has bowled 15 overs on the SL tour in 3 innings (out of 250 overs Eng have bowled so far). Getting picked as an all rounder or a specialist batsman?

[ShoonyaSifar]

BTW when Pandya played a Test series in SL, he hit a test 100 as well. Let us see if Curran can do the same.

[Suhaan]

58 minutes ago, Lannister said:

All teams are playing nowadays. Their 5th bowlers can also take wickets on a consistent basis, not just contain runs. Here Pandya does nothing except to clown around. 

No its not the way you put it,all the teams playing at home are preparing pitches to their liking, specially the SENA teams they prepare bowling friendly surfaces

Pandyas presence gives the team needed cushion where our top.bats become quite incompetent

Lets remind you the only test which we won in England was mainly due to Pandyas bowling heroics

The tests which we lost had much to do with the so called SENA experts 

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

In England.

4th Test - Average speed 85 mph, top speed 90 mph

3rd test - Average speed 86 mph, top speed 90 mph

2nd test - Average speed 84 mph top speed 90 mph

1st test - Average speed 83 mph, top speed 86 mph

 

In South Africa

1st Test - Average speed 84 mph, top speed 89 mph

2nd Test - Average speed 83 mph, top speed 88 mph

 

Basically he is a 83-85 mph bowler in Tests and can bowl 90 mph (145+ not just 140+,and no its not a couple of 140+ deliveries, there are a dozen of those or more in each match).

 

Should he bowl better? Definitely.

 

With bat, he averages 62 in Asia, 29 away (much like some of our front line batsmen) and picks a couple of wickets each tests bowling 10-12 overs. IMO thats decent enough for now as the 5th bowler but as he plays more, he has to do better with both bat and especially ball, else his career won't be long.

 

 

How many overs did he bowl in total ,how many wickets did he take  on those tours. You are right he is a medium pace bowler who will become a trundler if he is asked to bowl more.

 

Just because our frontline line batsmen stink he should be allowed to play is wrong way of selecting players.

 

First question to be asked is what is Pandya.What are his skills with ball or bat .Second is has he improved as a player?

[ShoonyaSifar]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How many overs did he bowl in total ,how many wickets did he take  on those tours. You are right he is a medium pace bowler who will become a trundler if he is asked to bowl more.

 

Just because our frontline line batsmen stink he should be allowed to play is wrong way of selecting players.

 

First question to be asked is what is Pandya.What are his skills with ball or bat .Second is has he improved as a player?

115 overs in 12 innings, 10 overs on an average in each innings, 13 wickets@31, SR of 53. Decent enough for a 5th bowler IMO.

 

As I keep saying should he do more with bat and ball? Of course. But he is not the weakest link in this team. Even if we play a 6th specialist batsman or a 5th specialist bowler, not much will change unless our top 4-5 batsmen step up and score 350 more regularly away from Asia.