Is it justifiable to neglect Jadeja by any yard stick??

[rtmohanlal]

Another plus point of Jadeja is that he is not a mental midget. In the last AUS series at home  he was going thru a rough patch with bat.

Come the 3rd test he started to  find his rhythm. With the series level at 1-1 and AUS putting 300  in the 4rth test, India soon is in disarray at 221-6. In comes Jadeja with no specialist batsman left and takes score to  317 with him scoring  63 of  only 95 balls. India takes a vital 32 run lead which eventually helps in winning the series 2-1.That was the most crucial point  in the series. Had he got out cheaply  IND would have folded soon conceding a  handful  lead.In doing so the team  would even have lost  the match and there by the series.

Another point is the 86* in ENG. When got that rare oppertunity abroad he rose to the occasion. And even more praiseworthy was the manner in which he scored the majority of those 86 runs in the company of tail enders.Had he got out cheaply, his chances of playing any further matches in SENA would have been shut down perhaps forever.

All these shows, he has it in him to overcome tough match situations. More over , being a gun bowler also helps in that  he can bat with utmost confidence at the crease , being well aware of the fact that even if he fails with the bat he can rely on  his other discipline to contribute to the team cause in one way or the other.That can  eases out  pressure a lot which eventually can result in him performing well in both disciplines.

But he needs to be given a  permanent string of chances to prove his mettle.

 

[Straight Drive]

9 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

Jadeja has a domestic record that  losses in nothing when compared to that of Vihari.It is only a conclusion  derived from a   prejudiced

mentality that  Jadeja  lacks the credentials required of a  top 6 batsman. His  huge success as a bowler doesn't help his cause either.

But the reality is that he plays as a front line batsman for his domestic team.  And  ever since he started  getting into his groove as a batsman , he avg:s 50+ in tests, in the last 2 years precisely.So this guy deserves his chances especially because every Rohit,Kartik,Dhawan,Rahul get chances after chances despite repeatedly proving to be far from adequate to be a permanent member of the 'TOP 6' of this team. More over Jadeja is a left hander too

Have you even checked the factual records. 

 

There is  significant difference of 12.36 runs per innings in  FC batting average between that of Vihari (59.48)  and Jadeja (47.12). Which records did you check before making such an outrageous statement that Jadeja is better than Vihari in long format ?

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Have you even checked the factual records. 

 

There is  significant difference of 12.36 runs per innings in  FC batting average between that of Vihari (59.48)  and Jadeja (47.12). Which records did you check before making such an outrageous statement that Jadeja is better than Vihari in long format ?

i said 'domestic' not 'first class'. 'first class' includes  tests also . So remove test record from that first class data. Jadeja avg:s almost 56 in domestic alone..  

[Straight Drive]

13 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

i said 'domestic' not 'first class'. 'first class' includes  tests also . So remove test record from that first class data. Jadeja avg:s almost 56 in domestic alone..  

What he does in domestic cricket is irrelevant as he has already been given a chance for 39 tests wherein he averages 32.44  There have been Bopara's, Mark Ramprakash, Vikram rathours and many more who have rocked domestic circuit but have been total failures once they ahve been asked to bat a level higher. Jadeja too is a similar case as far as his batting is concerned. To have a batsman averaging 32.44 is just not going to happen.  Never will we see Jadeja being asked to bat at 6 unless one of those battign above him are retired hurt / injured or a night watchman is required.

 

Vihari has played just one test.  We have not seen whether he too like Jadeja will fail to perform at test level like he does at domestic level.  That is something for a discussion after he plays significant tests like Jadeja. I have watched both bat and imo Vihari is much better batsman than Jadeja, fine if you feel otherwise. 

[rtmohanlal]

Proving his mettle by the day.... In Melbourne test  picked  5 wkts  @ <25 avg: , all of which are that of top 7 batsmen , including that of Khawaja their best batsman. Now an 81 @71.05 str: rate. Surprised , what more does he  need  to be a permanent member of this team??? . His is the case of a genuine top order batsman  being made a scape goat to 'slog out' and   harm serious damage to his figures as we saw in the Melbourne test where as certain passengers are given chances  after chances

 for nothing. Moving forward he deserves the 6th spot for sure. He has all the shots in the book  as we saw even today. That 4  fours in one  over of their best fast bowler Cummins  was the icing  on the cake and also an emphatic statement  for his cause.

[Cricketics]

Agree with Sandeep.

 

We need to actually worry about making sure guys like Vihari are played regularlya nd so hence at this time, we can’t think of promoting Jadeja in our wildest dreams. He should do the same job what Ashwin did for us in last few years as a lower order batsman whom we can rely a bit on.

 

Nothing more than that. Let him show some grand consistency there. I just hope he is able to perform with the ball like I expect him to overseas and he should have seard the fea then for our next overseas swing.

 

He is too good a bowler to not win India matches overseas. He has a fifer in South Africa for a reason.

 

 

 

 

[rtmohanlal]

13 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Agree with Sandeep.

 

We need to actually worry about making sure guys like Vihari are played regularlya nd so hence at this time, we can’t think of promoting Jadeja in our wildest dreams. He should do the same job what Ashwin did for us in last few years as a lower order batsman whom we can rely a bit on.

 

Nothing more than that. Let him show some grand consistency there. I just hope he is able to perform with the ball like I expect him to overseas and he should have seard the fea then for our next overseas swing.

 

He is too good a bowler to not win India matches overseas. He has a fifer in South Africa for a reason.

 

 

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=1;spanmin1=22+sep+2016;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

the guy avg:es  45 in the last 3 years or so. He has scored  10 of his 11 50+ scores during this period including his lone 100. Even if the avg: is inflated a bit by high number of not outs ,  it is easily worth a 41 for a normal avg: . Has a str: of  66+ for a game changer. This , despite the fact that he  more often than in general  has to throw his bat at any thing for getting  quick runs for the team. Sure his avg: would have been a lot better had he  been   in the position of a normal 5th or 6th batsman( not sacrifice his wkt  by slogging for the sake of the team).What more do we need to  realize about his credentials for the top order spot??.  

[zen]

Jadeja minus his bowling will not be in the squad .... is this about playing a bowler as a batsman?  

[Straight Drive]

Even Pant is batting at 7. How can Jadeja at at 6.  No way.

[Clarke]

I hope this series settles Jadeja ahead of Ashwin at 8 when we play a lone spinner.

[express bowling]

Jadeja should be our first choice spinner,  in tests outside Asia, from now on.

 

And bat at either 8  or  7.

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Even Pant is batting at 7. How can Jadeja at at 6.  No way.

 the likes of Dhawan,Rahul,Rohit,Kartik,Rahane etc  has been playing above 7 for extended stretches of  time. So  if they can be given this much chances why Jadeja can't be?

[Straight Drive]

8 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

 the likes of Dhawan,Rahul,Rohit,Kartik,Rahane etc  has been playing above 7 for extended stretches of  time. So  if they can be given this much chances why Jadeja can't be?

Would you post the playing 11 in batting order that you want.  Just trying to understand your plan as far as team is concerned 

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Would you post the playing 11 in batting order that you want.  Just trying to understand your plan as far as team is concerned 

I am not going that far.... Just saying that  if  the proven   inadequate names that I specified earlier can play these much number of matches based on their domestic credentials, Jadeja  too deserves his chances up the order based on the same criteria  of domestic credentials  . That, he has been a brilliant bowler  till date  only raises his claims much more , not vice versa.To add to all these ,he has emphatically proven in batting in the last three years of his career , even  at abroad.So what more do you need to atleast provide him with a few chances at 6th slot??? If Rahane,Rahul,Rohit,Kartik,Dhwan all could get chances  in the first 6  batting slots, what is that preventing Jadeja getting his fair share of chances????

[Khota]

Not the way he is playing. He deserves it.

[ThePhenomenal1]

Ive been saying for time now that Jadeja is better than ashwin.

 

even at home against england in 2016, he got us the 4th test wickets on a flattish pitch. Kumble seems to have helped him on line, length, variations, flight etc. 

 

Brilliant fielder, gives it his all in tests. Batting at 8 gives us great depth. 

 

However should remain a test player, dont believe he has the matchwinning ability in odis

[rtmohanlal]

16 minutes ago, ThePhenomenal1 said:

Ive been saying for time now that Jadeja is better than ashwin.

 

even at home against england in 2016, he got us the 4th test wickets on a flattish pitch. Kumble seems to have helped him on line, length, variations, flight etc. 

 

Brilliant fielder, gives it his all in tests. Batting at 8 gives us great depth. 

 

However should remain a test player, dont believe he has the matchwinning ability in odis

He at least  deserves  his chances at 6th spot. First of all, him being a spinner means playing as a specialist batsman is not going to physically affect his bowling.Secondly his success as spinner means  he can bat with the added confidence that  his place in the team is assured as a bowler alone .This can result in him performing brilliantly with  the bat  also there by being the Shakib Al Hassan of our team.And there are enough  evidences  only of him succeeding in that role    rather than vice versa.

[goose]

Jadeja is always in my XI home and away. 

[prasen82]

I don't know. Odis require piercing gaps. I found jadeja to actually struggle there. The best folks we have right now for that are jadhav and Karthik, but team balance is screwed.

 

I would play jadeja instead of chahal.

The biggest problem is dhoni who is screwing up team combo and not allowing us to experiment.

 

Number 5 and 6 needs to be chosen between pant, KDK and Rayudu and Jadhav. 

 

Jadeja is number 7 in odis and number 8 in tests. If you watched the test yesterday  there were at least half a dozen balls which should have been dispatched to boundary but went to the fielder. 

 

Edited January 5, 2019 by prasen82