Where would Imran Khan rank amongst the greatest all-rounders and cricketers of all-time??

[Vilander]

 

 

[Vilander]

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[Forward Defence]

On 5/4/2019 at 12:48 AM, Mirpur express said:

Imran was far greater than Kapil also he was good looking unlike Kapil.

What is this a beauty contest?

[Forward Defence]

Batting wise Sobers and Kallis were a class above the rest. 

[Forward Defence]

A case could be made for Kapil being better than Imran in Odis mainly due to his hard hitting prowess. Imran was better in tests.

[rtmohanlal]

4 hours ago, First class said:

IK was bad, took 40 wickets in a series against India on a flat surface, but our some Kapil was better, because he was ours. 

every body knows as to how IK picked those 40 wkts in that series.Maninder,Mohinder,Sastri,Balwinder Sandhu, Kapil  Gavaskar   almost all the Indian players in that series  openly have come w.r.t statements  related to tampering ever since that series happend.Even your own players like Aamer Sohai,Rameez Raja, Akhtar all  admitted to those too. For instance take this statement .

 

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/almost-all-pakistani-pacers-tampered-with-ball-admits-shoaib/article2479544.ece

 

It is a porrkki thing to chest thump on matters that are  seriously embarrassing to others.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2019 by rtmohanlal

[putrevus]

Some moron forget, Indian thumped Imran Khan and Pakistan in India 2-0 in 1979. So Pakistan went with 13 players every match and reverse swing obtained by full scale ball tampering.

 

Even in that series where LBWs were not being given even when plump. Kapil Dev took 24 wickets to Imran's 40 wickets in 4 or 5 few innings.

Edited May 5, 2019 by putrevus

[First class]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

Some moron forget, Indian thumped Imran Khan and Pakistan in India 2-0 in 1979. So Pakistan went with 13 players every match and reverse swing obtained by full scale ball tampering.

 

Even in that series where LBWs were not being given even when plump. Kapil Dev took 24 wickets to Imran's 40 wickets in 4 or 5 few innings.

Unless we talking about some strange Indian math, 40 wickets are far more than 24 wickets. 

[putrevus]

18 hours ago, First class said:

Unless we talking about some strange Indian math, 40 wickets are far more than 24 wickets. 

No it is very comparable when bowling in  fewer innings and playing against 13 players.Your most famous men of series were  Khizer Hayat and Shakoor Ranas.

[First class]

15 hours ago, putrevus said:

No it is very comparable when bowling in  fewer innings and playing against 13 players.Your most famous men of series were  Khizer Hayat and Shakoor Ranas.

This kind of non-sense excuse ( 13 players )  you can give for any defeat India suffered at the hand of Pakistan. Remember prior to Neutral umpires ( made reality, thanks to Imran Khan ), Indian umpires were the most controversial. India has produced great cricketers but not umpires. 

[Harsh Thakor]

On 5/5/2019 at 5:32 AM, Vijy said:

Ball tamperer he may have been, but Immy was a great all-rounder nonetheless. With that said, he was not as good as Sobers, Faulkner or Miller. He was also less than peak Botham and peak Kapil, although if we take the entire career, he was better than this duo.

Very fair and analytical comment sir.

[sandeep]

On 5/6/2019 at 10:45 PM, First class said:

Remember prior to Neutral umpires Indian umpires were the most controversial.

This is an example of things believed only in the pure-land.  Things like, "Pakistan has suffered most due to terrorism", "there are no terrorists in Pakistan", "Pakistan did not lose all its wars against India" etc etc. 

 

The reason Imran pushed so hard for neutral umpires, is because his peers in county cricket openly and repeatedly mocked his team's 'achievements' at home.  And Immy's ego couldn't handle it.  

 

To be fair, Imran was a great player, and credit still should be given to him for contributing to the push for neutral umpires.  But your statement about Indian umpires being "most controversial" is simply false.  Pak and SL had that honor, and reality is, that even ANUS country umpires were pretty bad, they just had their media to whitewash their mistakes, and shout loudly about the 'colored' umpires.  

 

 

[First class]

in India, Imran is behind Kapil, Pharabhakar , Vijay Shankar and Pandya.

In rest of the cricketing world, he is the best ever allrounder.

[rtmohanlal]

2 hours ago, First class said:

in India, Imran is behind Kapil, Pharabhakar , Vijay Shankar and Pandya.

In rest of the cricketing world, he is the best ever allrounder.

at least try to utter  something w.r.t  your own players  like Aamer Sohail,Rameez,Shoaib Akhtar ,Sadiq Mohammed etc etc indicating to the ball tampering expertise  of  Imran  instead of exposing yourself as an utter clown  by sprouting out these pure emotional nonsense

[First class]

3 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

at least try to utter  something w.r.t  your own players  like Aamer Sohail,Rameez,Shoaib Akhtar ,Sadiq Mohammed etc etc indicating to the ball tampering expertise  of  Imran  instead of exposing yourself as an utter clown  by sprouting out these pure emotional nonsense

Be sincere to yourself, hate is a serious disease. Act and talk like follower of the game here and leave your other expressions for the other forum. 

[Temujin Khaghan]

Every all-rounder at peak form

1. Ian Botham

2. Sobers

 

 

[Temujin Khaghan]

If the definition of an all-rounder is a player who is good enough to play for his side even if his primary skill ceases to exist, then peak Ian Botham is the only all-rounder to have ever played the game of cricket.

 

No one is playing the bowler Sobers, bowler kallis, batsman Imran, batsman Kapil, batsman hadlee Don't know much about miller. You can make a case for the bowler shakib infact.

 

The batsman Ian Botham is the only all-rounder in the history of cricket who would have played for England despite his bowling skills ceased to exist.

 

Also Ian Botham, Flintoff, stokes and sakib are unique in the sense that the gap between primary and secondary skills is very less. They are balanced all-rounders. 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Temujin Khaghan

[Temujin Khaghan]

How can a batsman like Imran even contest for a spot solely on his batting skills when there are already classy zaheer Abbas and fierce Javed miandad in the middle order. Which means that Pak would go for a late order hitter which Imran was never. Imran was a late order accumulator. The fact that Imran was allowed to play in that role was only a means of convinience because he was anyway in the team for his bowling skills. 

 

Same with Sobers. Who needs the medium pace of Sobers when windies had the services of the fiercest fast bowlers in the history of cricket during that time period. Sobers only bowled because he was already in the team because of his genius level batting.

 

Ian Botham's batting was however pure gold during the first half of his career and he would have easily played atleast 75 tests purely as a batsman for England.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Temujin Khaghan

[Real McCoy]

On 5/5/2019 at 5:23 AM, First class said:

You guys need to open your minds and be  true cricket followers across political boundaries. Keep politics for other forum. 

4 hours ago, First class said:

Be sincere to yourself, hate is a serious disease. Act and talk like follower of the game here and leave your other expressions for the other forum. 

We have kept our minds open for too long for your kinsfolk who did nothing but dump trash into our minds. Its good that you realized now that hate is a disease. Your countrymen have hated us for so long and your afridi admitted recently that they saw each match against us as a war and themselves as fighters/suicide bombers. sohail tanvir and his "hinduon ki zainiyat" talk.

 

Nobody carries hate in their heart like you folks do. I remember when youtube first started and I used to go there to watch some match videos. I remember it was always the pakistains who were posting hateful comments. Even in orkut back in the days. Go back to your own forum and preach this nonsense.

 

On 5/7/2019 at 8:15 AM, First class said:

This kind of non-sense excuse ( 13 players )  you can give for any defeat India suffered at the hand of Pakistan. Remember prior to Neutral umpires ( made reality, thanks to Imran Khan ), Indian umpires were the most controversial. India has produced great cricketers but not umpires. 

Many dont know this but Immy started preaching this because his county mates were ribbing him about his success at home due to the lucky 13. India had one good umpire - S Venkataraghavan. But pakistani umpires had various run ins with captains like Mike Gatting. Its only in the last decade that Aleem Dar has been a good umpire. Watch this

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Real McCoy

[rtmohanlal]

13 hours ago, First class said:

Be sincere to yourself, hate is a serious disease. Act and talk like follower of the game here and leave your other expressions for the other forum. 

there is a saying in these lines .... 'one who speaks loudly & finish  a debate by speaking last would  appear as if he has won the debate' which is not always true at all.

I does not want that to happen in this arguement, that's why quoted the earlier statement in advance. Once again you are just uttering those plain emotional  non sense  &  hiding away from giving proper answers. So you keep on sprouting  these emotional nonsenses, i am not at all  going to waste valuable time on that.