nikred Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 For a right hander it should be easy to write left to right than right to left. I am a leftie and I know the challenges writing from left to right. Right to left is natural for a left hander. This brings me to question, why right to left when left to right is easier for predominantly right handed world? Were Arabs dominated with left handlers? Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk
Real McCoy Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Anything written from right to left is very unnatural IMO. They write right to left but still turn pages from the first page on the left of the book to proceed on to the next one. 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Hebrew says hello. Do you believe Arabic and Hebrew have common ancestry? 6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Some trivia that's all. Arabic or urdu script is not unique but just a inspired idea. You responded to my post with hebrew says hello. That was in no way related to my post. Then you posted a question and gave the answer in your quote. That's why I asked what your point was
Alam_dar Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: Ghanta beautiful Ok, respecting your opinion, I have changed the topic heading and removed word "beautiful" from it.
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 16 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Urdu sounds good while it came from Persian, which is a very sweat language. Here one old National Anthem of Persia (before the Mullahs took over Iran). Just listen and enjoy the sweatiness of Persian Language. I listened to this a few times, and then listened to this while on the treadmill. No sweat. JourneyMan, Gollum, Alam_dar and 1 other 4
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Ok, respecting your opinion, I have changed the topic heading and removed word "beautiful" from it. Why would you do that? Do you not respect your own opinion? There isn't any need to be so pliant. Nothing offensive in calling a script beautiful. JourneyMan 1
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Gollum said: I don't like it. Urdu sounds wonderful, amazing but writing is meh, like a 6 year old using a paintbrush in his leisure time. Glad you specify this. I mean after attending all those conferences and debating on state policy, only if there is some leisure time remaining then the 6 year old could doodle some Urdu. JourneyMan, Gollum and dial_100 3
Alam_dar Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, nikred said: For a right hander it should be easy to write left to right than right to left. I am not sure about it. Perhaps it depends upon the practice. I have written a lot in English and even more in Urdu. And I feel more comfortable in writing from Right to Left (I am a right hander). I asked this question to other Pakistanis too. Many of them feel similar to me, i.e. comfortable from right to left. Another factor is this that Nastaleeq Urdu is not written in 90 degree Vertical direction, but slight slant is present. In other words, it is naturally "Italic" (see the image). This also makes writing Urdu easy for the right handers. Writing English is very easy. While writing "Naskh Arabic" is little difficult. But writing "Nastaleeq Persian/Urdu" is extremely complex, while not only a letter takes different shapes, but also it could also be "placed" at different places (for example above/under baseline, more left or more right, under the ending of last word etc). There are no set rules, except one rule i.e. that the letters are placed to make writing look beautiful. And this same complexity gives it it's beauty and aesthetic looks (at least for people who can read it). Perhaps it helps you understand the complexity. We have English fonts for computers since 1980s. But despite a lot of efforts, no one was able to make pure computing Nastaleeq font till 2015. Google was the first which succeeded in making Urdu Nastaleeq font around 2015, followed by Microsoft in 2016 (although both of them were working on it for many years). And problem is this that these 2 Computer Nastaleeq fonts from Google and Microsoft are still way behind from the beauty of handwritten Nastaleeq. Mariyam 1
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 20 hours ago, diga said: Crypto Islamist is subtly promoting desert culture... Learn any other language for 5 continuous years and he will know whats beautiful What is this 'desert culture'? Urdu has very little to do with any desert/Arab hinterland but is derived from Hindustani/Hindavi and Persian. Urdu is an Indian language. As much as Sanskrit/Kannada etc are. The charter of the constitution recognises it as such. And you can have multiple beautiful languages. This isn't really a competition. Alam_dar and JourneyMan 2
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) @Alam_dar In my view Urdu is a language that loses its sheen when printed. Hand written Urdu is much more beautiful. Learning Urdu was a fun experience for me. And it is not very difficult to learn either. Are you a fan of Majrooh Sultanpuri? Edited May 28, 2019 by Mariyam Alam_dar 1
Alam_dar Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Why would you do that? Do you not respect your own opinion? There isn't any need to be so pliant. Nothing offensive in calling a script beautiful. I removed it so that people could freely give their true opinions if this script looks good to them, or they feel uneasy looking at it.
Alam_dar Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Mariyam said: @Alam_dar In my view Urdu is a language that loses its sheen when printed. Hand written Urdu is much more beautiful. Learning Urdu was a fun experience for me. And it is not very difficult to learn either. I was waiting for your views in this thread. This is exactly my feelings too. Hand written Urdu has more beauty. Urdu can also be written in Naskh Arabic Style, but I refuse to read Urdu in Naskh style (just like I hate to read Roman Urdu)
Gollum Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Glad you specify this. I mean after attending all those conferences and debating on state policy, only if there is some leisure time remaining then the 6 year old could doodle some Urdu. 6 year olds are quite busy these days with pre-school prep, playtime, annoying their parents (since time immemorial), getting ready for spelling bees and junior masterchef... What's your mother tongue Mariyam? Urdu, Gujarati, Marathi or are you a secret Tamil based in CSK headquarters? How many languages do you know? How prevalent is Urdu among Indian Muslims outside Delhi, UP, Bihar, Hyderabad. Edited May 28, 2019 by Gollum Mariyam and Alam_dar 2
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: I was waiting for your views in this thread. This is exactly my feelings too. Hand written Urdu has more beauty. Urdu can also be written in Naskh Arabic Style, but I refuse to read Urdu in Naskh style (just like I hate to read Roman Urdu) Over here apart from The Holy Quran and pamphlets calling on people to join Ijtemas etc I have never seen Urdu written in Naskh style. Majrooh Sultanpuri wrote movie dialogues in Urdu. A lot of them are still preserved in their original and his hand writing is very beautiful. Probably the best written (literally too) Urdu I have seen. Edited May 28, 2019 by Mariyam Alam_dar 1
Norman Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 It looks like as if a kid is asked to write all the English alphabets , but all he remembers are letters 'i' and 'j' , so he just keeps on writing them in different shapes and sizes adding a few additional dots here and there. No offence. Mariyam, Alam_dar, maniac and 1 other 4
Alam_dar Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mariyam said: I listened to this a few times, and then listened to this while on the treadmill. No sweat. HaHaHa Ok, let me present one more Video where Persian song and Urdu song are sung side by side. For me, the Persian song is too sweat as compared to the Urdu song. Urdu song is sung by Atif Aslam. It is a beautiful song. Enjoy. Mariyam 1
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gollum said: 6 year olds are quite busy these days with pre-school prep, playtime, annoying their parents (since time immemorial), getting ready for spelling bees and junior masterchef... What's your mother tongue Mariyam? Urdu, Gujarati, Marathi or are you a secret Tamil based in CSK headquarters? How many languages do you know? How prevalent is Urdu among Indian Muslims outside Delhi, UP, Bihar, Hyderabad. My paternal grand parents are migrants from the NWFP. They spoke to each other in Pashto/Hindko. But being in Bombay, they spoke to their children in Urdu mainly. My mom is Bohri and speaks Gujarati at her home. Though she speaks only English to my dad, when he is listening that is. Which I admit is very rare. At home and with extended family we speak mainly English, Urdu/Hindi and Gujarati. Urdu (spoken) is common among Muslims in Mumbai. Readership however is not very high. For instance newspaper readership has fallen and ad rates on many of the Urdu newspapers are at an all time low. Bonanza season for mainline marketeers. Not much Urdu publication either in terms of books. That is mainly Delhi/ UP based. PS: I don't count Hyderabadi Urdu as Urdu. It is slang majorly. Sorry @nikred Edited May 28, 2019 by Mariyam Alam_dar, dial_100 and Gollum 1 1 1
Gollum Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) My handwriting is so bad that it doesn't make a difference if I write in English, Hindi or Bengali....they all look the same for non-me people. Once a lecturer in college refused to examine my compre-test because he couldn't understand a word. He asked me to come to his chamber and made me to read my answers out loud, assign marks myself.....whilst he scolded me non-stop . Couple of my friends proverbially stabbed my heart by saying I was doing this deliberately to screw them over, either in note making or cheating in exams cos they found my writing illegible, and me of no help in academic matters . I can't help it if my handwriting sucks....thank God for computers and softwares. I have to take some classes and tutorials for UG students, I consciously use ppts and put chalk/marker on board as less as possible. As bad as my handwriting is my board writing skills produce abstract pieces of modern art except no buyers in the market and a sea of irritated faces in the classroom. And it is tough because there is a lot of maths involved and slides lose their value beyond a point The only advantage for a person like me is I can read virtually all other handwritings, no matter how poor. My eyes are trained to decipher mumble jumble, makes reading other people's writing a privilege. Correcting papers is easier in the sense I have one less stumbling block to worry about, of course no avoiding bad maths, even worse physics and death of engineering concepts !!!! Edited May 28, 2019 by Gollum Mariyam, dial_100 and Alam_dar 3
Alam_dar Posted May 28, 2019 Author Posted May 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mariyam said: My paternal grand parents are migrants from the NWFP. They spoke to each other in Pashto/Hindko. But being in Bombay, they spoke to their children in Urdu mainly. My mom is Bohri and speaks Gujarati at her home. Though she speaks only English to my dad, when he is listening that is. Which I admit is very rare. At home and with extended family we speak mainly English, Urdu/Hindi and Gujarati. So, you can speak and read English, Urdu/Hindi, Gujrati, Pashto and Hindko? Am I missing any language? 10 minutes ago, Mariyam said: PS: I don't count Hyderabadi Urdu as Urdu. It is slang majorly. Sorry @nikred Exactly. Perhaps I can understand Hindi perhaps better than Urdu of Hyderabad. Nevertheless, I feel Hyderabadi Food is better than food of Delhi. At least Haleem of Hyderabad is no. 1.
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: So, you can speak and read English, Urdu/Hindi, Gujrati, Pashto and Hindko? Am I missing any language? I can't speak Pashto/Hindko at all. Don't think any of my paternal cousins can. The Rohillas in UP still speak some Pashto, even to this generation. I can speak English, Urdu/Hindi, Gujarati and Marathi which is the language of the state. And some Sindhi. I learnt French in school and can speak none of it. I learnt some German for business related purposes and can only say I don't know how to speak German in German. Englisch bitte Alam_dar, dial_100 and Gollum 2 1
diga Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: What is this 'desert culture'? Urdu has very little to do with any desert/Arab hinterland but is derived from Hindustani/Hindavi and Persian. Urdu is an Indian language. As much as Sanskrit/Kannada etc are. The charter of the constitution recognises it as such. And you can have multiple beautiful languages. This isn't really a competition. Its influenced by Arab culture & Persian and mostly used by Islamist. even if it developed in India under the Mughals... Sorry if it sounds harsh, but any language is beautiful if you go into intricacies of its grammar, not just Urdu.
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