How does Rohit compare to Sehwag as a boundary hitter ?

[Muloghonto]

17 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

A great batsman is supposed to be a great batsman. Period. Tendulkar opened in the ODIS most of his career, where he found it easier to take advantage of field restrictions rather than reluctantly bat at NO.4, where he was not best in the middle overs. Sunny G has opened the batting all his life in tests. How come the personification of a so called perfect batting technique, Tendulkar never opened in tests. Is all this noise about his technique and balance and blah bi blah.. just bull ?  

As I said, no side has ever made their best middle order batsman open in tests. ODIs are irrelevant because you don’t see 3 slips and a gully in ODIs.

Which makes it a lot easier to face the new ball opening. Tendulkar isn’t the only test middle order to open in ODIs, several others did so: Ganguly, Mark Waugh, etc.

[Vk1]

17 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

A great batsman is supposed to be a great batsman. Period. Tendulkar opened in the ODIS most of his career, where he found it easier to take advantage of field restrictions rather than reluctantly bat at NO.4, where he was not best in the middle overs. Sunny G has opened the batting all his life in tests. How come the personification of a so called perfect batting technique, Tendulkar never opened in tests. Is all this noise about his technique and balance and blah bi blah.. just bull ?  

You find fault with Don Bradman as well for not opening  ?

[rangeelaraja]

18 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

As I said, no side has ever made their best middle order batsman open in tests. ODIs are irrelevant because you don’t see 3 slips and a gully in ODIs.

Which makes it a lot easier to face the new ball opening. Tendulkar isn’t the only test middle order to open in ODIs, several others did so: Ganguly, Mark Waugh, etc.

@Muloghonto  @Vk1

 

 

Your comments ignore that fact that there was a patch of 7-8 years where we had a severe drought of openers. We tried everyone from Ramesh to SS Das to Jadeja to greats like Laxman and Dravid.  Bradman and Viv's team never had this paucity of openers.  So in such a situation, the can do no wrong, " best batsmen of...." ,  so called " god" did not have the stomach to open himself to opening despite his much touted " perfect technique" and despite the fact that he regularly faced the new ball in ODIS.

 

This is in response to all those who denigrate Indian legends and indulge in hero worship of this overrated cricketer.

 

His records can be significantly attributed to his greatness but ALSO significantly attributed to his hunger for personal glory sometimes ahead of the team's interests and longevity. He hardly stood ahead of his test peers and contemporaries in terms of sheer dominance and quality and clutch play when the chips were severely down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[putrevus]

On 10/21/2019 at 12:05 AM, rangeelaraja said:

 

A great batsman is supposed to be a great batsman. Period. Tendulkar opened in the ODIS most of his career, where he found it easier to take advantage of field restrictions rather than reluctantly bat at NO.4, where he was not best in the middle overs. Sunny G has opened the batting all his life in tests. How come the personification of a so called perfect batting technique, Tendulkar never opened in tests. Is all this noise about his technique and balance and blah bi blah.. just bull ?  

You don't bat your best batsman as opener unless he is opener coming thru ranks like Gavaskar or Cook. As an opener you are bound to get good balls with new ball and you don't want to expose you best batsman to new ball where any ball can get him out.Openers are supposed to take shineoff the ball and lay platform for more stroke makers.Aussies always had their best batsman bat at no3 so technically they had to be ready to face second ball of innings.

 

Sehwag destroyed that myth to some extent but he was a bunny against new ball in many places. He did initally have the ability to see off the new ball but as he got older he became lazier and less sure about his technique.

[Vk1]

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You don't bat your best batsman as opener unless he is opener coming thru ranks like Gavaskar or Cook. As an opener you are bound to get good balls with new ball and you don't want to expose you best batsman to new ball where any ball can get him out.Openers are supposed to take shineoff the ball and lay platform for more stroke makers.Aussies always had their best batsman bat at no3 so technically they had to be ready to face second ball of innings.

 

Sehwag destroyed that myth to some extent but he was a bunny against new ball in many places. He did initally have the ability to see off the new ball but as he got older he became lazier and less sure about his technique.

He's looking for overt personal glory.. of facing all odds and succeeding for the team almost heroic acts.. while common sense says have some decent openers.. even if they get out by the time the ball loses its sheen your best bat comes in and makes a big score. 

On the other hand opening in India is probably the easiest position since if you are playing at 4, you will have to face spinners on turning pitches..so Sachin has faced far difficult conditions in India than his openers did.

[putrevus]

38 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

He's looking for overt personal glory.. of facing all odds and succeeding for the team almost heroic acts.. while common sense says have some decent openers.. even if they get out by the time the ball loses its sheen your best bat comes in and makes a big score. 

On the other hand opening in India is probably the easiest position since if you are playing at 4, you will have to face spinners on turning pitches..so Sachin has faced far difficult conditions in India than his openers did.

I don't agree that Sachin faced far more difficult conditions.Sehwag is by far best player of spin from subcontinent, he was better than Sachin facing spin bowlers.

 

Sehwag was very inconsistent in SENA as he never had technique to survive on some pitches.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Rohit better six hitter

Sehwag better boundary hitter

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

@Muloghonto  @Vk1

 

 

Your comments ignore that fact that there was a patch of 7-8 years where we had a severe drought of openers. We tried everyone from Ramesh to SS Das to Jadeja to greats like Laxman and Dravid.  Bradman and Viv's team never had this paucity of openers.  So in such a situation, the can do no wrong, " best batsmen of...." ,  so called " god" did not have the stomach to open himself to opening despite his much touted " perfect technique" and despite the fact that he regularly faced the new ball in ODIS.

 

This is in response to all those who denigrate Indian legends and indulge in hero worship of this overrated cricketer.

 

His records can be significantly attributed to his greatness but ALSO significantly attributed to his hunger for personal glory sometimes ahead of the team's interests and longevity. He hardly stood ahead of his test peers and contemporaries in terms of sheer dominance and quality and clutch play when the chips were severely down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forget Viv or Bradman, show me which team has ever made its best middle order batsman open in tests. Plenty of teams had crap openers or at least one opener slot empty: NZ perpetually comes to mind, so does Pakistan, heck even England had only one decent opener between Stewart’s retirement and rise of Cook. 

 

Sachin stood head head and shoulders above his peers as a batsman and that is acknowledged professionally by his peers itself. 

Edited October 22, 2019 by Muloghonto

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't agree that Sachin faced far more difficult conditions.Sehwag is by far best player of spin from subcontinent, he was better than Sachin facing spin bowlers.

 

Sehwag was very inconsistent in SENA as he never had technique to survive on some pitches.

Um no. Sehwag is not the best player of spin from the subcontinent. Azhar, Sidhu and Tendy were better. Sehwags downfall from being absolute best vs spines was that he got too cocky and went too crazy sometimes. 

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Um no. Sehwag is not the best player of spin from the subcontinent. Azhar, Sidhu and Tendy were better. Sehwags downfall from being absolute best vs spines was that he got too cocky and went too crazy sometimes. 

I don't think so, no one had the ability to play and read spin bowling like he did, He handled even Ajanta Mendis fine when whole clan of big three were having nightmares facing that guy.Sachin was tied up by both Giles and Harris of all bowlers bowling over the wicket.Sehwag was hitting for fun those guys. His two hundreds one at CCI and another at Galle are the best 100s made by an Indian batsman facing highest quality spin bowling.He made Murali and Herath look helpless and they both were at his mercy.

 

The only innings which could match the genius of Sehwag against spin bowling might be 96 by Sunil Gavasker on bunsen burner in his last test but that was totally different type innings.

 

Yes he got too cocky sometimes or else he could have scored 30 test 100s easily but if he did he would not be Sehwag. 

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Both are great to watch and have fantastic stroke play.

 

However, Sehwag was more entertaining and faced slightly better bowlers. I remember his 254 in Pakistan with partnership of 400 with Dravid great to watch.

 

Rohit Sharma can close the gap if somehow he can play 3 to 4 years of test cricket and end up with 15-20 test tons. At the moment the comparison in test cricket is not there as Rohit has only played 30 matches compared to Sehwag with over 100 Tests.

 

Rohit may have extra gears that we have not been seen in Test Cricket yet.

 

These 2 players definitely the best batsmen to watch in the last 20 years of Indian Cricket.

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think so, no one had the ability to play and read spin bowling like he did, He handled even Ajanta Mendis fine when whole clan of big three were having nightmares facing that guy.Sachin was tied up by both Giles and Harris of all bowlers bowling over the wicket.Sehwag was hitting for fun those guys. His two hundreds one at CCI and another at Galle are the best 100s made by an Indian batsman facing highest quality spin bowling.He made Murali and Herath look helpless and they both were at his mercy.

 

The only innings which could match the genius of Sehwag against spin bowling might be 96 by Sunil Gavasker on bunsen burner in his last test but that was totally different type innings.

 

Yes he got too cocky sometimes or else he could have scored 30 test 100s easily but if he did he would not be Sehwag. 

If I had to say who the best Indian batter against spin that I have seen is, it’d be between Azhar and Sidhu. Those two plus Sachin destroyed Warne for fun in 96 before his finger surgery. Sehwag has the talent but not the head against spinners 

[putrevus]

10 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

If I had to say who the best Indian batter against spin that I have seen is, it’d be between Azhar and Sidhu. Those two plus Sachin destroyed Warne for fun in 96 before his finger surgery. Sehwag has the talent but not the head against spinners 

Thats fine but IMHO Warne was never great against India both home and away.Every Indian batsmen from Shastri in his debut test to Sehwag in 2004 handled him with ease.Murali on other hand was a match winner against India in SL.Sidhu played Murali in 1993, I don't think he was that good then.

 

I also don't think during Azhar's time they were any great spinners on the scene.Saqlain had lot of succcess against Azhar in that one series in 1999.Sehwag ended Saqlain's career in Multan.

 

Sehwag was a genius when it came to handling spinners.His overconfidence cost him his wicket many times against spinners but that also gave innings I mentioned in my above post.

 

Noone from Sunny to Sachin matched his ability in destroying spinners.His Galle innings is one of the best batting masterpieces, his team reeling from defeat no batsmen in his team were able to handle Murali and Ajanta.

[Mariyam]

On 10/20/2019 at 7:35 PM, rangeelaraja said:

Sehwag is arguably the greatest boundary hitter in cricket in  the last a few decades 

Basically you start a thread titled

" How does Rohit compare to Sehwag as a boundary hitter?" 

And then come up with an instant one line answer with out much in the way of an explanation.  

 

Journalist/jury/judge/jallad all in one?

Edited October 23, 2019 by Mariyam

[rangeelaraja]

On 10/22/2019 at 3:54 PM, Muloghonto said:

Forget Viv or Bradman, show me which team has ever made its best middle order batsman open in tests. Plenty of teams had crap openers or at least one opener slot empty: NZ perpetually comes to mind, so does Pakistan, heck even England had only one decent opener between Stewart’s retirement and rise of Cook. 

 

Sachin stood head head and shoulders above his peers as a batsman and that is acknowledged professionally by his peers itself. 

@Muloghonto

So you are as incorrect as incorrect can be.  Do you have anything to rationalize or quantify the above apart from your subjective opinion ?

 

Sachin's average and consistency has been bettered by Sangakkara and Kallis among his peers- who also doubled up as wicketkeeper and allrounder. 

 

Sachin's  Golden patch in the 90's has been bettered by Ponting in the early 2000s and Sangakkara again many a time in the 2000s.

 

Sachin's  ability to win clutch matches by holding up one end  has been bettered by many a player. Laxman within his own team several times.

 

All Sachin has is higher accumulated runs because of starting a career very early

 

ICC  point ratings are an excellent objective way to judge performances.

In his 25 years of test cricket - how many years has Sachin been No.1  in ICC ratings ?? Barely 3 or less. 

 

Yet he is " head and shoulders above his peers"   -- only in your prejudiced mind that cant analyze or rationalize based on facts and objective/measurable criteria. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by rangeelaraja

[Adamant]

The one who hit them against warne and murali. 

 

Sehwag would have crushed these 2 kaudi ke spinners. 

 

Wake me up when rohit hits them against nathan lyon or even moeen ali.