KL Rahul was always the best choice for No.4 if only he was persisted with

[velu]

20 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

• Someone who can play pace well 
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yes

 

20 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

• Someone who can play Spin well
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no

[prudent_kreeda]

23 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

thats why he is someone who can bat at a good rate even with 20 overs left.....manish, rahane, rayudu, shankar cud never do that 

shud have gotten gill ahead of iyer....was never a fan of iyer but now that he is given a chance be fair to him ....be fair to anyone

Shaw shud already be in mix with t20s but he also has himself to blame but then there is samson as well

 

Also i dont know how will they get all these. They still dnt knw if rahul is their backup opener or middle order. Coz if KL is backup opener Shaw cant get a look in. We still havent gotten over manish pandey 

 

     Selectors should  - 

       1. Drop Dhawan from T20 .

        2. Play Shaw as opener in T20.

        3. Only 1 out Rohit & Virat should play  in a T20  bilateral match .

        4. Play  Padikkal in a T20 in MO .

         5.  Play Gill at 4 in 50 Overs . 

          Ideally looks like  -  4- Gill , 5 - KL & 6- Pant  in one dayers         

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     Selectors should  - 

       1. Drop Dhawan from T20 .

His runs odi will mess kohli brain again n u might see him opening in t20 n kl in middle

This has been happening ever since

21 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

        2. Play Shaw as opener in T20.

With his attitude issues going i highly doubt that they ll select him

21 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

        3. Only 1 out Rohit & Virat should play  in a T20  bilateral match .

Strongly agreed 

21 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

        4. Play  Padikkal in a T20 in MO .

He hasnt even been selected for india a so i dont see that happening. Only chance he has is by setting ipl on fire and the chances are less since he plays for rcb

21 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

         5.  Play Gill at 4 in 50 Overs . 

          Ideally looks like  -  4- Gill , 5 - KL & 6- Pant  in one dayers         

 

The only problem i have with that is no 6th bowler n thats asking for trouble

Anyways when hardik return he ll take his time in regards to bowling. Had saini been injured yesterday we wud have had 10 overs of mayhem and that can happen any day. 6th bowling option is a must

[prudent_kreeda]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

His runs odi will mess kohli brain again n u might see him opening in t20 n kl in middle

Suspect he will play Dhawan at the top & Rahul at 4 in T20 WC.

This has been happening ever since

With his attitude issues going i highly doubt that they ll select him

Optimistic this fellow will come out of it and will serve India well. A rare breed . 

Strongly agreed 

He hasnt even been selected for india a so i dont see that happening. Only chance he has is by setting ipl on fire and the chances are less since he plays for rcb

May not be now , but thts should be the direction .  The idea here is to test him with international quality bowling in T20 and if he has the ability to play attacking shots off Pace , you will have a gem for No.5 in 50 overs for the future . Lifts spinners beautifully and a leftie to boot  .

I get frustrated when i watch indian batsmen are not able to maul spinners like Agar, Zampa .  Just imagine  if they show spunk to attack and get  1-2 boundaries in every over of them  and then may play singles , what would be fate of Aus bowling ? 

We need some one to take on these kind of spinners at 4 , 5,6  esp. 5 & 6  and in my mind he is one of that guys . Just hope he is good against Pace too. 

 

 

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The only problem i have with that is no 6th bowler n thats asking for trouble

Anyways when hardik return he ll take his time in regards to bowling. Had saini been injured yesterday we wud have had 10 overs of mayhem and that can happen any day. 6th bowling option is a must

     Yes thats a concern and we do not have solution right now. 

     I believe play 6 proper Bats + 4 attacking bowlers whatever kind + 1 all rounder .

     AND  make someone among top six to develop bowling atleast 2-5 overs .    

Edited January 18, 2020 by prudent_kreeda

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

8 hours ago, raki05 said:

He just won you a match when series was at stake and playing such a class inning down the order.

Also bottled it in World Cup semi-final at the top order. Flopped in many matches when his spot was in question. Don't think he will succeed in the middle order, but that remains to be seen. Who knows how long he'll even be playing there? He has two bad matches and he'll again be moved to the top order.

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

  I believe play 6 proper Bats + 4 attacking bowlers whatever kind + 1 all rounder .

     AND  make someone among top six to develop bowling atleast 2-5 overs .    

 

This is what I said in the Speed and Performance thread earlier.

 

In LOIs ....

 

6 proper bats + 5 specialist bowlers  ( 4 among them wicket taking bowlers ) ... the 5th bowler must have batting and big hitting skills.

 

2 wicket taking bowlers must practice big hitting too.

 

2 batsmen must practice bowling.

[Vilander]

Very big ego and attitude problem with the guy. He should look to bat well in middle order and not demand opening slot.

[raki05]

4 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Also bottled it in World Cup semi-final at the top order. Flopped in many matches when his spot was in question. Don't think he will succeed in the middle order, but that remains to be seen. Who knows how long he'll even be playing there? He has two bad matches and he'll again be moved to the top order.

And who dint Kohli, Rohit , Dhwan are bottling in 50 over knockouts since eternity. BTW I am not saying he is some great batsmens but would definitely not criticise him when he won u against a very strong Aussie team when series was at stake .

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

5 hours ago, raki05 said:

And who dint Kohli, Rohit , Dhwan are bottling in 50 over knockouts since eternity.

So if Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan bottle it then everyone should bottle it?

6 hours ago, raki05 said:

BTW I am not saying he is some great batsmens but would definitely not criticise him when he won u against a very strong Aussie team when series was at stake .

It's silly to hype someone after one match, otherwise even Kedar Jadhav played a much better innings against England in 2017. Long term, I don't think Rahul will work out in the middle order.

[prudent_kreeda]

6 hours ago, Vilander said:

Very big ego and attitude problem with the guy. He should look to bat well in middle order and not demand opening slot.

  Ye kaise pata kar diya Sirjee !!!  

[raki05]

2 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

So if Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan bottle it then everyone should bottle it?

It's silly to hype someone after one match, otherwise even Kedar Jadhav played a much better innings against England in 2017. Long term, I don't think Rahul will work out in the middle order.

No one should bottle but onus is more on top 3 who are playing together for past 7-8 years. BTW where I hyped Rahul I only said after top 3 he only looks  a bit trustworthy right now and please, don't even compare that pedestrian English bowling to Australian bowling lineup. Also, Rahul being consistent in odis in past one year against wi also he played few good knock at the top . he is good for last 15-20 overs or opening as I still don't trust him to build the inning.

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

  Ye kaise pata kar diya Sirjee !!!  

read the topic and infer - do you have reading difficulty ?

[prudent_kreeda]

26 minutes ago, Vilander said:

read the topic and infer - do you have reading difficulty ?

     In the entire topic in this thread , none has used the word ego  . 

     Yet to see any sound bites from him , where he sounded arrogant so far. last interview he has said about his  preferred position as all along he has been an opener. 

      Guy has done 1 down, 3 down , 4 down , 5 down , W Keeping , whatever was asked that's been done.

     Even in field one cannot see those traits .

     His issues are  on field - insecurity  and off filed  - looks to live his life  like Yuvi used to be. That should not be an issue as long as he delivers on the filed .

     Would be good if you can point to any sources , links  as this is not seemed to have been noticed by most followers . 

 

      

Edited January 19, 2020 by prudent_kreeda

[Vilander]

22 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

     In the entire topic in this thread , none has used the word ego  . 

     Yet to see any sound bites from him , where he sounded arrogant so far. last interview he has said about his  preferred position as all along he has been an opener. 

      Guy has done 1 down, 3 down , 4 down , 5 down , W Keeping , whatever was asked that's been done.

     Even in field one cannot see those traits .

     His issues are  on field - insecurity  and off filed  - looks to live his life  like Yuvi used to be. That should not be an issue as long as he delivers on the filed .

     Would be good if you can point to any sources , links  as this is not seemed to have been noticed by most followers . 

 

      

he wants opening slot. thats entitlement. he should play what slot he gets and where its beneficial for the team. simple.

[Ankit_sharma03]

30 minutes ago, Vilander said:

he wants opening slot. thats entitlement. he should play what slot he gets and where its beneficial for the team. simple.

Everyone has a pref position n most want top 3 since thats where all runs are.

Rohit has said opening is his pref....he didnt start as opener

Kohli has said he pref 3

Sachin always pref opening...he didnt start as opener

So nothing wrong with kl saying that who played as opener only since early days. It had been ego had he said i dnt wanna bat at 4 n 5. The fact that he mentions he went n saw videos of other middle order batsman suggest he has accepted n working on his game.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

5 hours ago, raki05 said:

No one should bottle but onus is more on top 3 who are playing together for past 7-8 years.

You're making excuses. Kohli and Rohit getting out early means Rahul can escape criticism if he joins them in the dressing room?

 

5 hours ago, raki05 said:

Also, Rahul being consistent in odis in past one year against wi also he played few good knock at the top . 

If you see his record within that time frame against SENA teams it's actually pedestrian. Taking out his 80 in the last match, he averages 22.20 at a strike rate of 72.54. His numbers are boosted by performances against Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

You're making excuses. Kohli and Rohit getting out early means Rahul can escape criticism if he joins them in the dressing room?

 

If you see his record within that time frame against SENA teams it's actually pedestrian. Taking out his 80 in the last match, he averages 22.20 at a strike rate of 72.54. His numbers are boosted by performances against Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies.

He has hardly played 40 odi dude...don't be so over critical. Fine if you think he won't be successful . 

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 1/17/2020 at 5:58 PM, jusarrived said:

yup , big difference coming in between 20-25 overs and 32-40 over . I would like to see Gill @ 4 

 

today he came into bat in 12th  over

[sandsaims]

Kohli-Shastri combo has actually cost india with their biased selections. We lost in SA and England and ofcourse the world cup. India will never win any major tournaments under these two and whatever we have won is not because of them but inspite of them.

[mancalledsting]

absolutely agree