Sanath Jayasuriya - The ODI Batsman

[Nikola]

7 hours ago, zen said:

Players are picked considering the requirements of an 11. Based on averages alone, below are the top 6-7 ODI batsmen:

 

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Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000  and batting average greater than or equal to 49

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Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
V Kohli (INDIA)	2008-2020	222	216	33	10744	183	58.71	11531	93.17	39	53	12
AB de Villiers (SA)	2005-2018	191	184	35	8093	162*	54.31	8113	99.75	20	46	5
MG Bevan (AUS)	1994-2004	203	174	58	6200	108*	53.44	8428	73.56	6	40	4
Babar Azam (PAK)	2015-2019	62	61	7	2851	125*	52.79	3306	86.23	10	12	2
JE Root (ENG)	2013-2020	135	127	19	5475	125	50.69	6323	86.58	15	31	4
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2005-2019	310	267	74	9595	183*	49.71	11014	87.11	7	68	7
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2007-2020	197	191	27	8039	264	49.01	9014	89.18	25	38	11

 

 I am not sure how many would have only the above in their top 6-7 batsmen in an 11   

Average alone should never be criteria to pick the players but you can't just pick players with high strike rate who have average of 21 and 24 against top side of his era (and that too with help of great luck and opposition resting key bowlers). No need to post his innings video cause anyone who plays 450 odd matches will have many innings to remember.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Nikola

[Nikola]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

That 2006 SL-Eng match was one of my favorites growing up, Lanka made a mockery of the huge target, that kind of hitting was unheard of back then...chasing 320+, they were going at 9rpo till the 32nd over.

 

I have no doubt in my mind that had he been playing under these new ICC regulations and on these pattas, even 300 wouldn't be beyond him. 

Yeah surely would have been one of the top batsman with today's rules but then what about his bowling? wouldn't it be useless in this era? Think he would have converted himself into batsman.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Nikola

[Nikola]

7 hours ago, zen said:

There was another such great thread which people shied away from - Ross Taylor vs. Viv Richards

What's your point? What's wrong in posting actual stats and looking for people's opinion about him here. Don't even tell me to bump your past threads which had such meaningless stats and filters imo. Atleast i am posting actual stats without filtering. No agenda here if majority picks him in their world xi then he deserves it.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Nikola

[zen]

1 hour ago, Nikola said:

Average alone should never be criteria to pick the players but you can't just pick players with high strike rate who have average of 21 and 24 against top side of his era (and that too with help of great luck and opposition resting key bowlers). No need to post his innings video cause anyone who plays 450 odd matches will have many innings to remember.

It is understood that being a high strike rate batsman implies that you are taking more risks, which means that you can get out too. The role that players like Jayasuriya play is to take the game away from the other team, utilize the power plays, and set it up for the team,. In SL's case, it would have relatively high average batsmen like Sangakkara too. While taking the attack to the opposition, these batsmen will play a few exceptional innings and also suffer a few failures. 

 

Averages can be like this:

* High strike rate batsmen: 70 of 48, 30 of 24, and 5 of 6 = avg. of 35.

* Someone else could have: 40 of 50,  30 of 40, and 80 of 100 to average 50 .... Or 40, 40, 20* = Avg of 50. 

 

 

To understand the impact of players like Jayasuriya, an example is the 1996 WC:

 

Most runs

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	7	7	1	523	137	87.16	609	85.87	2	3	0	57	7
ME Waugh (AUS)	7	7	1	484	130	80.66	563	85.96	3	1	1	40	6
PA de Silva (SL)	6	6	1	448	145	89.60	416	107.69	2	2	0	57	7
G Kirsten (SA)	6	6	1	391	188*	78.20	434	90.09	1	1	0	33	4
Saeed Anwar (PAK)	6	6	2	329	83*	82.25	343	95.91	0	3	0	29	5
AP Gurusinha (SL)	6	6	0	307	87	51.16	408	75.24	0	3	0	25	11
WJ Cronje (SA)	6	6	1	276	78	55.20	316	87.34	0	2	0	20	6
AC Hudson (SA)	4	4	0	275	161	68.75	271	101.47	1	1	0	32	4
Aamer Sohail (PAK)	6	6	0	272	111	45.33	332	81.92	1	2	0	35	1
BC Lara (WI)	6	6	1	269	111	53.80	256	105.07	1	1	0	33	2
DJ Cullinan (SA)	6	6	2	255	69	63.75	305	83.60	0	2	0	16	3
GP Thorpe (ENG)	6	6	2	254	89	63.50	333	76.27	0	2	0	19	1
A Ranatunga (SL)	6	6	4	241	75*	120.50	210	114.76	0	1	0	29	2
RB Richardson (WI)	6	6	2	236	93*	59.00	371	63.61	0	1	0	22	1
RT Ponting (AUS)	7	7	0	229	102	32.71	327	70.03	1	0	1	16	1
SR Waugh (AUS)	7	7	2	226	82	45.20	285	79.29	0	3	0	14	2
ST Jayasuriya (SL)	6	6	0	221	82	36.83	168	131.54	0	2	0	29	8

 

Most wickets

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
A Kumble (INDIA)	7	7	69.4	3	281	15	3/28	18.73	4.03	27.8	0	0
Waqar Younis (PAK)	6	6	54.0	5	253	13	4/26	19.46	4.68	24.9	1	0
PA Strang (ZIM)	6	5	42.1	4	192	12	5/21	16.00	4.55	21.0	1	1
RA Harper (WI)	6	6	58.0	6	219	12	4/47	18.25	3.77	29.0	1	0
DW Fleming (AUS)	6	6	45.2	3	221	12	5/36	18.41	4.87	22.6	0	1
SK Warne (AUS)	7	7	68.3	3	263	12	4/34	21.91	3.83	34.2	2	0
CEL Ambrose (WI)	6	6	56.3	9	170	10	3/28	17.00	3.00	33.9	0	0
RW Ali (KENYA)	6	6	41.2	3	190	10	3/17	19.00	4.59	24.8	0	0
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK)	6	6	57.0	2	238	10	3/16	23.80	4.17	34.2	0	0
AA Donald (SA)	4	4	34.0	0	126	8	3/21	15.75	3.70	25.5	0	0
SLV Raju (INDIA)	4	4	40.0	4	158	8	3/30	19.75	3.95	30.0	0	0
DG Cork (ENG)	5	5	48.0	2	216	8	2/33	27.00	4.50	36.0	0	0
J Srinath (INDIA)	7	7	65.4	3	293	8	3/34	36.62	4.46	49.2	0	0
BKV Prasad (INDIA)	7	7	65.0	1	312	8	3/45	39.00	4.80	48.7	0	0
Aaqib Javed (PAK)	5	5	39.3	2	189	7	2/18	27.00	4.78	33.8	0	0
CA Walsh (WI)	6	6	55.3	9	210	7	3/46	30.00	3.78	47.5	0	0
M Muralitharan (SL)	6	6	57.1	3	216	7	2/37	30.85	3.77	49.0	0	0
CR Matthews (SA)	6	6	59.3	2	226	7	2/30	32.28	3.79	51.0	0	0
ST Jayasuriya (SL)	6	6	51.0	1	231	7	3/12	33.00	4.52	43.7	0	0

 

 

There are people averaging 120, 90, 87, 81, and so on. Do you know who the man of the series was? It was Jayasuriya with an avg. of "only" 37 .... By starting such a thread, you are, in a way, inquiring - "Why is Jayasuriya MoS with an avg of 37 and only 221 runs, and not someone else who has more runs and/or average or whatever?". 

 

Why he is Man of the Series when so many others average so high (or low with the ball) is something you need to understand. And that will also answer you as to what segment he belongs to (Hint: he is not necessarily competing with those who avg high) and why people pick him  .... As I said, do not quote me with such posts!

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by zen

[Nikola]

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There are people averaging 120, 90, 87, 81, and so on. Do you know who the man of the series was? It was Jayasuriya with an avg. of "only" 37. 

It was also due to his bowling performance. We are talking only about his batting here. Did he play only 1996 worldcup btw? 

 

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It is understood that being a high strike rate batsman implies that you are taking more risks, which means that you can get out too. The role that players like Jayasuriya play is to take the game away from the other team, set it up for the other batsmen, and utilize the power plays.

Why does high risk batsman average 21 with strike rate of 83 against top side his team? Why no single ton against second best team of your era? why average 24 against them?

 

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As I said, do not quote me with such posts!

This time you are posting in my thread so i will say so not you.

 

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Why is Jayasuriya MoS with an avg of 37 and only 221 runs, and not someone else who has more runs and/or average or whatever?

 

 

Aravinda de Silva deserved Man of series in 1996 worldcup imo. 448 runs at strike rate of 108. Played match winning innings in semi finals & finals as well. Picked up few wickets in that worldcup as well. 3 wickets in finals along with that epic ton.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Nikola

[zen]

11 minutes ago, Nikola said:

It was also due to his bowling performance. We are talking only about his batting here. Did he play only 1996 worldcup btw? 

 

Why does high risk batsman average 21 with strike rate of 83 against top side his team? Why no single ton against second best team of your era? why average 24 against them?

 

This time you are posting in my thread so i will say so not you.

 

 

Aravinda de Silva deserved Man of series in 1996 worldcup imo. 448 runs at strike rate of 108. Played match winning innings in semi finals & finals as well. Picked up few wickets in that worldcup as well. 3 in finals along with that epic ton.

 

That posts sums up why you should not be discussing cricket. I understand your desire to get into discussion but do not drag others to your low levels. You are not even at a point where a discussion can began. 

 

Again do not quote me with such stuff. 

[Nikola]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

That posts sums up why you should not be discussing cricket. I understand your desire to get into discussion but do not drag others to your low levels. You are not even at a point where a discussion can began. 

 

Again do not quote me with such stuff. 

I can quote you on public forum. Why don't you Ignore the thread?

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, Nikola said:

Yeah surely would have been one of the top batsman with today's rules but then what about his bowling? wouldn't it be useless in this era? Think he would have converted himself into batsman.

He would have been a useful part timer, high IQ bowler. But as you said his batting would have become even more devastating, I guess 40 avg and 125 SR. ...Jason Roy on steroids with better spin playing ability. 

5 hours ago, Nikola said:

Ofcourse he was big time match winner but he was too inconsistent with bat as well. When you play 450 odd matches you will have many memorable innings to remember. What about his performance against top sides of his era? His great performance mostly came in Asian conditions. (Don't post his couple of overseas tons now, i am talking about consistency overall) Question is will you pick him in your world xi or asia xi & is he ATG for you?

He was initially selected as a bowling all rounder, then more regarded for bowling. When he first came in the late 80s he would come in at #7 or #8, sometimes even lower. Only after 80-100 matches did the SL TM start using him as a top order batsman. Look at his stats from circa 1994 or '95. Likewise he carried on till too late, should have retired after the 2008 Asia Cup when he was already 39. Hence his overall stats have taken a beating, at his peak he wasn't 'too inconsistent' as you put it, for his high risk game he was pretty consistent.

 

Of course Sanath or Viru are never going to have the consistency of Kohli or Rohit because of the way they approach the game, but in an all time XI which has plenty of great batsmen the idea is to maximize output during PP rather than going the Rohit way, because the MO won't be filled with Rayudus and Karthiks. Sanath won't be in my world XI because of Gilly, but in Asia XI I will have him partnering Sachin. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Gollum

[Jimmy Cliff]

4 hours ago, Nikola said:

It was also due to his bowling performance. We are talking only about his batting here. Did he play only 1996 worldcup btw? 

 

Why does high risk batsman average 21 with strike rate of 83 against top side his team? Why no single ton against second best team of your era? why average 24 against them?

 

This time you are posting in my thread so i will say so not you.

 

 

 

Aravinda de Silva deserved Man of series in 1996 worldcup imo. 448 runs at strike rate of 108. Played match winning innings in semi finals & finals as well. Picked up few wickets in that worldcup as well. 3 wickets in finals along with that epic ton.

Yeah Aravinda not winning the MOTS in the 1996 WC was a joke. He was the fricking MOTM in 4 of the 6 games Lanka played including the SF and Final but Jayasuriya ended up getting the award .

[Nikola]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Yeah Aravinda not winning the MOTS in the 1996 WC was a joke. He was the fricking MOTM in 4 of the 6 games Lanka played including the SF and Final but Jayasuriya ended up getting the award .

Yeah got 3 key wickets in final (went 3 for 42 in his 9 overs) and also got 1 wicket in semi finals. He had exceptional performance in that worldcup. Players would dream of having such performance and winning the worldcup.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Nikola

[Autonomous]

He was the X-factor. 

[Straight Drive]

Without him SL would not achieve what they did.

[velu]

@Nikola  he was a nightmare for more than a billion people in the 90s .. 

[Nikola]

28 minutes ago, velu said:

@Nikola  he was a nightmare for more than a billion people in the 90s .. 

Ofcourse he was. I doubt if he plays now he would be nightmare for us with current bowling attack. Question is will he make your world xi or asia xi team? 

[Jimmy Cliff]

28 minutes ago, velu said:

@Nikola  he was a nightmare for more than a billion people in the 90s .. 

Look at his record against India in the 90s:

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49209.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=6;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+1999;spanmin1=01+Jan+1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

Only had a couple of great years in 96 and 97. Otherwise was mostly ordinary.

[velu]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Look at his record against India in the 90s:

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49209.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=6;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+1999;spanmin1=01+Jan+1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

Only had a couple of great years in 96 and 97. Otherwise was mostly ordinary.

 

maybe only bad memories stay long  

i think i considered SL as minnows at that time even after they screwed us badly in our first game  

[velu]

22 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Ofcourse he was. I doubt if he plays now he would be nightmare for us with current bowling attack. Question is will he make your world xi or asia xi team? 

no

[Nikola]

12 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Look at his record against India in the 90s:

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/49209.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=6;orderby=default;spanmax1=31+Dec+1999;spanmin1=01+Jan+1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

Only had a couple of great years in 96 and 97. Otherwise was mostly ordinary.

Average of 25 in india as well. He does have memorable knocks against most asian sides but that came with inconsistency as well. Imagine current indian pacers bowling at him.

[Jimmy Cliff]

7 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Average of 25 in india as well. He does have memorable knocks against most asian sides but that came with inconsistency as well. Imagine current indian pacers bowling at him.

He averaged 26+ against India in the 90s when Srinath was playing. Mostly bullied Prasad-led attacks. I remember even Agarkar owned him in his backyard in 1998.

[velu]

13 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Average of 25 in india as well. He does have memorable knocks against most asian sides but that came with inconsistency as well. Imagine current indian pacers bowling at him.

 

he would murder bhuvi