Nonbeliever Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, urbestfriend said: And Ambani and Adani funded the election "excuse". It is becoming comedical to see these folks bringing "ambani and Adani" when they have nothing concrete to debate. Oh Ambani will take over that, Adani will take over this etc just to keep the gullible people interested. Lol. Whole protest is against corporate and goverment nexus. Definitely comical when modiji had to start promoting local toys suddenly after reliance takes over a global toy company. 87000 crore loan defaulter is deshbhakt. Edited January 14, 2021 by Nonbeliever Khota and Under_Score 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, urbestfriend said: Yes, it is an economic issue. Economic issue wherein Union govt cannot subsidise every famer with MSP. SImply there is not enough money to do that. Economic issue where farmers must not lose out if govt cannot subsidise them, and farming sector should still be lucrative. India cannot be "oligarchy" wherein small set of people dictate for everyone else. Other farmers except those who are beneficiaries should also find farming lucrative. (1) Agreed (2) Agreed (3) Agreed (4) Agreed On a serious not govt. does not have deep pockets where they can subsidize everything. Govt. needs to priortize how to save money. I think farming is the best bang for the buck now and should be addressed after they address Air India and PSU's etc. But farmers also need to understand they cannot be subsidized indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, urbestfriend said: And Ambani and Adani funded the election "excuse". It is becoming comedical to see these folks bringing "ambani and Adani" when they have nothing concrete to debate. Oh Ambani will take over that, Adani will take over this etc just to keep the gullible people interested. They are disproportionately getting rich. A farmer lives in a gobar hut after working 10 hours a day. Ambani lives in $1 Billion house (billion with 9 zeroes) after working the same number of hours. Where is the fairness in the system? Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Dont play with words. The Modi bill is proving RIGHT NOW that under certain scenarios direct purchasing from the farmers will yeild farmers MORE, not LESS than APMC acquisition rate. So why are you ignoring this ???It's just basic principles of free market economy..no science involved here..what are these fools arguing against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Khota said: They are disproportionately getting rich. A farmer lives in a gobar hut after working 10 hours a day. Ambani lives in $1 Billion house (billion with 9 zeroes) after working the same number of hours. Where is the fairness in the system? This is taken from a 1970s socialist movies like Namak Haram, or Ganga Ki Saugandh etc. . Try again, Next Banton, randomGuy and Clarke 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 This is taken from a 1970s socialist movies like Namak Haram, or Ganga Ki Saugandh etc. . Try again, NextHaha true...there's no heroism in poverty coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 43 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: 4 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Dont play with words. The Modi bill is proving RIGHT NOW that under certain scenarios direct purchasing from the farmers will yeild farmers MORE, not LESS than APMC acquisition rate. So why are you ignoring this ??? It's just basic principles of free market economy..no science involved here..what are these fools arguing against they are arguing against basic free market profit for simple farmers, because it upsets their ez govt embezzlemnt schemes of the rich punjabi farmers. Duh. This is why gujjus, bongs, marathis, mallus are all SILENT on this fracas of the jutts, particularly the punjabis. their racketeering uniongiri is chaupat, they have to actuall do some work on their own and not get free lunch while destroying their own goddamn eco-system. Punjabis need a slap up their heads. The facking morons have gotten so fat off of growing rice in the ONE REGION OF INDIA NOT SUITED TO RICE that they are the fastest desertifying state by a country mile. They should fall down on BJP's feet and thank them for making all this rice monopoly chaupat, so their precious punjab doesnt go back to being a desertified backwater boonieville of India. Something it was, before the gradual irrigation schemes put in by the mughals and massively expanded by the Brits. If you notice- that region of India is the ONE region of India that is a total zero at empire building till literally less than 300 years ago. Since pretty much IVC fell nearly 4000 years ago!! Such main, yeh gawaar santa singh-banta singh jaise sardar-bewakoofi misal ho gaye. The fat punjabi cat is eating itself and we need to whack it to stop. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 54 minutes ago, Khota said: They are disproportionately getting rich. A farmer lives in a gobar hut after working 10 hours a day. Ambani lives in $1 Billion house (billion with 9 zeroes) after working the same number of hours. Where is the fairness in the system? A fair system isnt equal outcome for all system. A fair system is, you get what your worth is seen by other people. Dude who makes space rockets is gonna make way more than a gardener who waters plants- something humans have been doing for thousands of years, is not a humongously complicated thing in life, doesnt take years of learning intensely. Granted, farmers are a lot more complicated than simple gardening but it slots somewhere near the bottom quarter of ''high demand skills' at generous best. You wanna be rich, you either gotta have a CRAP TON of farmland - like hundreds of acres or something- or go do something else. Its just that simple. To whine against that, is to basically say 'i dont deserve more but i want more so whine whine'. diga, coffee_rules and Clarke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) The answer to some of India's farm bills and systems actually lies by looking at China. Credit where credit is due, but i do believe some of our answers lie by analyzing China and how they did what they did and how it is working re: farm sector. They are the ONLY COMPARABLE FARMING SECTOR BY EMPLOYMENT to India. Yet, they all have small holdings relatively speaking ( only slightly larger than India's but not orders of magnitude larger like in the west), also sell to the government and private players and are largely, for all intents and purposes- content doing it. There definitely has to be some lessons in there because we all know that chinese are cut-throat businessmen but somehow if 200 million+ chinese have found it suitable enough to stick around the farming sector - pretty much only slightly smaller than india's farming workforce ( roughly 300 million Indians work on farms IIRC) in that plus a 'do as i say or die' type government to oppress them - it means they are doing SOMETHING right and worth studying. Edited January 14, 2021 by Muloghonto Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Khota said: This is the first post you have where you have not attacked personally. I will answer that after I take care of some other stuff. Peace. Hello ji, where is my answer. You came and engaged in this forum and forgot this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Khota said: They are disproportionately getting rich. A farmer lives in a gobar hut after working 10 hours a day. Ambani lives in $1 Billion house (billion with 9 zeroes) after working the same number of hours. Where is the fairness in the system? Oh man...Same thing can be applied to everyone. Under_score lives in a posh villa in Canada where as his farm workers in punjab hail from poor UP states, and living in jopadis..Where is the fairness in the system? Thats how the capitalistic society works. But a socialistic society is not the answer as seen in India where people are migrating heavily to capitalist countries for better living like under_score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Yoda-esque said: 11 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Dont play with words. The Modi bill is proving RIGHT NOW that under certain scenarios direct purchasing from the farmers will yeild farmers MORE, not LESS than APMC acquisition rate. So why are you ignoring this ??? It's just basic principles of free market economy..no science involved here..what are these fools arguing against Farming is not free market anywhere. Go check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Khota said: Farming is not free market anywhere. Go check. Again, play of words. The context is free market selling of farm produce. Most farmers around the world are free to sell to who ever they wish. They get subsidies, just like Indian farmers do. I asked you a simp,e question: why are you running away from the fact that thanks to this bill, farmers in cotton sector are making MORE than they would under APMC rates ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Again, play of words. The context is free market selling of farm produce. Most farmers around the world are free to sell to who ever they wish. They get subsidies, just like Indian farmers do. I asked you a simp,e question: why are you running away from the fact that thanks to this bill, farmers in cotton sector are making MORE than they would under APMC rates ?? 5% more. And that is the only example you could come up with. There is a worldwide demand of cotton and that resulted in maybe couple hundred of rupees. It is not like a huge success story. It is barely a fraction of the total agrarian economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Khota said: 5% more. And that is the only example you could come up with. There is a worldwide demand of cotton and that resulted in maybe couple hundred of rupees. It is not like a huge success story. It is barely a fraction of the total agrarian economy. 5% more is still more. So why deny that farmers ALSO stand to benefit from the ability to sell to anyone they wish ?? Why would you want them to sell to a fixed price always, when fixed price can sometimes be lower, when the farmers are being the option to CHOOSE between fixed price and a better market price, when the market is better ?? You are objectively standing for a system that gives farmers less money and call yourself pro farmers. Brilliant logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: 5% more is still more. So why deny that farmers ALSO stand to benefit from the ability to sell to anyone they wish ?? Why would you want them to sell to a fixed price always, when fixed price can sometimes be lower, when the farmers are being the option to CHOOSE between fixed price and a better market price, when the market is better ?? You are objectively standing for a system that gives farmers less money and call yourself pro farmers. Brilliant logic. Because the fixed price is a gauranteed price. They get less than that by the way. The reason they want this gaurantee is so that they are assured of MSP/a support price/a safety net. Let me give you an example. Suppose you work for AI and if they make profit you get 70,000 rs pm and next month they have loss and you get 20,000 pm. How will you plan for anything. Bottomline is farming has to be supported. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: Because the fixed price is a gauranteed price. They get less than that by the way. The reason they want this gaurantee is so that they are assured of MSP/a support price/a safety net. yes. They have that. This bill doesn’t repeal APMC. 1 minute ago, Khota said: Let me give you an example. Suppose you work for AI and if they make profit you get 70,000 rs pm and next month they have loss and you get 20,000 pm. How will you plan for anything. Bottomline is farming has to be supported. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING !! the farmers are being given the option to sell to whomever they want AND keep the APMC. So basically you want the farmers to only have fixed price and forego the option to make more money when the market rate is better than fixed price. That’s pretty anti-farmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonbeliever Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Bhupinder singh mann, one of the committe member, opt out of the committee. Now bhakts will also call him khalistani. Under_Score and speedheat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Nonbeliever said: Bhupinder singh mann, one of the committe member, opt out of the committee. Now bhakts will also call him khalistani. He had no business being in that committee. He was compromised individual and needs to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: yes. They have that. This bill doesn’t repeal APMC. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING !! the farmers are being given the option to sell to whomever they want AND keep the APMC. So basically you want the farmers to only have fixed price and forego the option to make more money when the market rate is better than fixed price. That’s pretty anti-farmer. They are not gauranteeing that MSP. And then they put four members in the committee who are pro BJP. Then you say farmers don't trust them. speedheat and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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