Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, kepler37b said: I completely agree on pensionjeevis. The buggers are a burden to society. Except army and police. Agreed.
Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 56 minutes ago, speedheat said: Khota bhai, They can't do that, because they themselves don't know how this law will influence mandi and msp. It's a hastily enacted law that may have some advantages, but it also has disadvantages. It would be best to just repeal this law, consult with farmers about what is best for them, and then reintroduce the bill in parliament. A momumental law that changes everything was passed without meaningful debate. This autocratic form of governance has support on this forum which is equally shameful. Let us break the head of these ffarmers because they want to earn a living, send their kids to school and lead a meaningful lives. These farmers are a drain on the society. This is what the ruling party has been reduced to. Shameful. speedheat 1
Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 These BJP supporters need to decide and state if they want to break the head of the farmers or not. If not this is the place to condemn violence against farmers. Silence means support.
speedheat Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Khota said: A momumental law that changes everything was passed without meaningful debate. This autocratic form of governance has support on this forum which is equally shameful. Let us break the head of these ffarmers because they want to earn a living, send their kids to school and lead a meaningful lives. These farmers are a drain on the society. This is what the ruling party has been reduced to. Shameful. Don't know who said that, but comments like these from bhakts that make me feel sorry for them when revered mamtaji and Thackerayji in Maharashtra beat the crap out of them. Edited September 8, 2021 by speedheat
dial_100 Posted September 8, 2021 Author Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Which section of this law abolishes mandis under state APMC? Govt cannot remove a broken chair from a govt office without a record but these guys think Mandis will disappear. Mandis are such a large setup in the farmers law (Existing not new) that it would be impossible to abolish them without concerted efforts and specific laws which will require meticulous replacements. Punjab state govt's earning will stop if farmers start selling outside of Mandis. Mandis are operated by middlemen and their commisions will go away. But if some farmers wants to sell it in mandis, will do so with existing laws. READ it again EXISTING $ucking laws. there is no need to give any $ucking thing in writing because it has already exists. I dont think these guys are here to understand anything. They are just ranting. I wish we had real opposition so that we could really get more improvements from current govt. Instead they completely discard such non-sense demands. bharathh and coffee_rules 2
Singh bling Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 RSS-wing demands guaranteed prices for crops https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/rss-wing-demands-guaranteed-prices-for-crops/article36343467.ece Time to declare RSS anti national Under_Score and speedheat 2
coffee_rules Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, Singh bling said: RSS-wing demands guaranteed prices for crops https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/rss-wing-demands-guaranteed-prices-for-crops/article36343467.ece Time to declare RSS anti national Did you read the article or jumped the gun at the click bait headline? It is a symbolic dharna to extend the MSP law that is in Punjab and Haryana to all farmers of the country. That means Punjab and Haryana airing on MSP cushion all the while will be extended to all
Trichromatic Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 5 hours ago, speedheat said: I've given my reasons on why these farmers are protesting. Its potential threat to MSP. I repeat , a potential threat to MSP and mandi system! Arguing is meaningless. Please share the section which abolishes Mandi system. This is hardly matter of argument. Either it's there or it's not. As simple as that.
Trichromatic Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Khota said: It is the intent. If there is a particular clause that you are after why dont they add it in writing that MSP for certain crops is gauranteed. MSP is not guaranteed even now.
Trichromatic Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Khota said: BJP has created a system of haves and have nots. Few familiies are benefitting and everyone else is suffering. This is protest is all about that. 90% of have nots from other states are not protesting. Only haves are creating ruckus. This protest is anti-poor aimed at ensuring that poor farmers of states like Bihar remain poor. Selfish approach by farmers of Punjab, but that's ok since they have to think about their welfare only.
Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Singh bling said: RSS-wing demands guaranteed prices for crops https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/rss-wing-demands-guaranteed-prices-for-crops/article36343467.ece Time to declare RSS anti national Makes perfect sense.
Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Trichromatic said: This is protest is all about that. 90% of have nots from other states are not protesting. Only haves are creating ruckus. This protest is anti-poor aimed at ensuring that poor farmers of states like Bihar remain poor. Selfish approach by farmers of Punjab, but that's ok since they have to think about their welfare only. Making stuff u as you go along. This is about empowering all farmers. All of them. Under_Score 1
Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Trichromatic said: MSP is not guaranteed even now. It has been honored.
Khota Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Did you read the article or jumped the gun at the click bait headline? It is a symbolic dharna to extend the MSP law that is in Punjab and Haryana to all farmers of the country. That means Punjab and Haryana airing on MSP cushion all the while will be extended to all That is what we all want too.
speedheat Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Please share the section which abolishes Mandi system. This is hardly matter of argument. Either it's there or it's not. As simple as that. The masters of Modi aren't dumb to include such claws explicitly in the bill, but the law still poses a threat to msp. For farmers the biggest threat is from agriculture sales and marketing outside of the APMC's controlled mandis (government-approved wholesale markets). They fear that by doing so, the mandis will die and exploitative private players will be able to establish the terms of purchase from farmers and the deterioration of the current mandi system might further erode the government's already shaky system of assured procurement at MSP. I know you are bais for BJP but still try to understand if you can. Edited September 8, 2021 by speedheat Under_Score 1
Singh bling Posted September 8, 2021 Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Did you read the article or jumped the gun at the click bait headline? It is a symbolic dharna to extend the MSP law that is in Punjab and Haryana to all farmers of the country. That means Punjab and Haryana airing on MSP cushion all the while will be extended to all SKM is also demanding same .MSP gurantee law and should be available to all. The question is why BKS is jumping in agitation now when another farmer agitation is going on and according to Modi government farmers have got plenty during his 7 year rule. May be the reason is BKS realised that it's support among farmers will go away. It's clear that more and more farmer are suffering because of high input cost and low output price Khota and Under_Score 2
rkt.india Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, speedheat said: Khota bhai, They can't do that, because they themselves don't know how this law will influence mandi and msp. It's a hastily enacted law that may have some advantages, but it also has disadvantages. It would be best to just repeal this law, consult with farmers about what is best for them, and then reintroduce the bill in parliament. Same tickait was asking for farmers bill in 2018. When govt brought it, he is against it. Tikait ki to g****d todna banta hai Edited September 9, 2021 by rkt.india coffee_rules 1
rkt.india Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 15 hours ago, speedheat said: Khota bhai, They can't do that, because they themselves don't know how this law will influence mandi and msp. It's a hastily enacted law that may have some advantages, but it also has disadvantages. It would be best to just repeal this law, consult with farmers about what is best for them, and then reintroduce the bill in parliament. We have electoral system in India. If law is bad, these farmers can vote against bjp and kick them out. Other parties who form govt will have all the powers reverse the laws but the problem is this protest is less about farmers and more about political vendetta against the govt. These farmers unions, Tikaits asked for the bill. Only then it was formed after the consultation of farmers unions. All of have been in the domain for quite a while now.
Trichromatic Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 9 hours ago, speedheat said: The masters of Modi aren't dumb to include such claws explicitly in the bill, but the law still poses a threat to msp. For farmers the biggest threat is from agriculture sales and marketing outside of the APMC's controlled mandis (government-approved wholesale markets). They fear that by doing so, the mandis will die and exploitative private players will be able to establish the terms of purchase from farmers and the deterioration of the current mandi system might further erode the government's already shaky system of assured procurement at MSP. I know you are bais for BJP but still try to understand if you can. But that doesn't stop you from claiming that law abolishes Mandi. Fair point. What has been govt reply in this regard?
Trichromatic Posted September 9, 2021 Posted September 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Khota said: Making stuff u as you go along. This is about empowering all farmers. All of them. 90% of farmers don't care about these protests and are not supporting it. Obviously these protests are against those 90% some of them (e.g. Bihari farmers) happen to be 5 times poorer than Punjab farmers. Not suprising that protestors want to crush hopes of poorest section of society and keep them poor.
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