Riding on the highs of Aussie win, is India going to be eager to surrender its home advantage against Englanf by preparing pitches where our spinners will fail ?

[rangeelaraja]

No Test team doctors home pitches like NZ. They get away with it as a smaller test playing country and one that has " great spirit".

 

Their pitches outright favor their kind of bowling. Ditto England. Ditto Australia.

 

Hope we don't try to be a "nice" host an try and make England comfortable and our spinners impotent.

 

We don't have any point to prove to anyone now.

 

Few years in history, if England win on the subcontinent they always call it win on subcontinental "dustbowls"....well if they are going to call our pitches dustbowls anyway, why care...why not dishout dustbowls.

 

Looking for Ashwin and Sundar to dominate on their home turf.

 

 

[Soldier]

Lol at dustbowls.  Those times are long gone. 

India prepare fair pitches that are not too spin friendly nor pace friendly. 

 

We are going to absolutely humiliate England if umesh shami are back soon. Even without them we will win 2 0. 

[Soldier]

Colonial twats can't win anywhere but on doctored swing friendly pitches. I have sick of the poms. Hope we actually take them seriously when we play them like we do vs Aussies. If we do take them seriously then we can win away in their own pitches as well. 

[rangeelaraja]

29 minutes ago, Soldier said:

Colonial twats can't win anywhere but on doctored swing friendly pitches. I have sick of the poms. Hope we actually take them seriously when we play them like we do vs Aussies. If we do take them seriously then we can win away in their own pitches as well. 

 

 

When test matches in NZ and England  finish within 2.5 days ( especially NZ ) - on unplayable seaming tracks - all is well.  No doctored pitches, infact it is counted as brilliance of Anderson and Boult...etc and incompetence of Indian batters on foreign soil.

 

Doctored pitches are only when they favor Indian spinners. 

 

It annoys me like anything. We should not afraid of preparing spin friendly pitches where matches end within 3 days.

[Soldier]

1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

When test matches in NZ and England  finish within 2.5 days ( especially NZ ) - on unplayable seaming tracks - all is well.  No doctored pitches, infact it is counted as brilliance of Anderson and Boult...etc and incompetence of Indian batters on foreign soil.

 

Doctored pitches are only when they favor Indian spinners. 

 

It annoys me like anything. We should not afraid of preparing spin friendly pitches where matches end within 3 days.

It boils my blood. I wanna Rip their hearts when they spew that rubbish. But it's just a game so I don't care. If they have something to say, they can tell us directly. 

[Gollum]

India and Australia prepare the most sporting decks, provide something for everybody and perfect bat-ball balance. India has been even better than Aus the last decade or so IMO. Hats off to our curators, best in the world just like our cricket team. There is a reason why we have 2 of the 5 best test batsmen in the world, 2/3 best spinners in the world (won't write off Lyon) and the best pace attack of the last 5 years. 

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Gollum

[Soldier]

40 minutes ago, Gollum said:

India and Australia prepare the most sporting decks, provide something for everybody and perfect bat-ball balance. India has been even better than Aus the last decade or so IMO. Hats off to our curators, best in the world just like our cricket team. There is a reason why we have 2 of the 5 best test batsmen in the world, 2/3 best spinners in the world (won't write off Lyon) and the best pace attack of the last 5 years. 

 

Best attack since 2015. No need to be modest at all. We are killers. Just need to sort out opening pair and pick right selections for balance depending on Condtions. 

[express bowling]

A typical Indian test match pitch is a sporting track nowadays.

 

And this is the the period where we have a 12 test series winning streak at home.

 

Both our pacers and spinners have won us most of the test matches at home ... on such sporting decks and flat tracks.

 

I thing we have prepared just 2 rank turners in the last 5 years ... and lost 1 of those test matches.

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Fully agree with the OP re the general point it makes. We play to our strength, period.

 

But the englishman curator from tamil nadu looks like he's blinded by safedi ki chamkaar.

 

 

As far as I know, Team India does not want rank turners these days. 

 

Most of the current Indian batters can't bat that well when the ball is turning square. 

 

While the pedestrian foreign spinners become potent on turning tracks.

 

At least half the tests we have played at home, against non-Asian teams in the last 5 years, have had some grass on the pitches ... and we have won all those tests.

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

That might be the case and I wasn't really commenting on the specifics of the pitch for this series. The OPs point that BBC and others in English media are always going to set the narrative that their team were playing in dustbowls regardless of the type of pitch we serve is true. Like I said, we play to our strength without caring about others - and if it means a harder pitch with something for pacers that's cool. But if tomorrow it turns out our team is better served with square turners, we shouldn't get queasy about it either.

 

 

Absolutely  !

 

If rank turners suit us after 2 years or 4 years, we should prepare rank turners only.

 

The only obligation we have towards the touring sides is providing them with the same quality fooding and lodging and security facilities that our team receives when we travel to their countries. 

 

My point in this thread and the other one is that ... the conditions that suit us in the last 5 years is different from what suited us in the 1990s and 2000s decade. And we should prepare pitches to suit our current strengths and not the old ones.

 

Trying to please touring sides with pitch types should not even be a far fetched option. 

Edited January 31, 2021 by express bowling

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Absolutely  !

 

If rank turners suit us after 2 years or 4 years, we should prepare rank turners only.

 

The only obligation we have towards the touring sides is providing them with the same quality fooding and lodging and security facilities that our team receives when we travel to their countries. 

 

My point in this thread and the other one is that ... the conditions that suit us in the last 5 years is different from what suited us in the 1990s and 2000s decade. And we should prepare pitches to suit our current strengths and not the old ones.

 

Pleasing touring sides with pitch types should not even be a far fetched option. 

What about D/N tests? Don't you think it plays to the advantage of teams like Aus, Eng, NZ? 

 

NZ is coming for a 2 test series later this year, hope we don't give them any chance of competing, shut those *ers out from ball one. After the pitches they served last year, need some payback. Still annoys me that after the trash they served in 2002 (and the likes of Fleming throwing shade at our batsmen), we welcomed them with pattas in 2004, they escaped with 0-0. They deserved nothing less than 2004 Wankhede type akharas back then. 

[deathmonger]

26 minutes ago, Gollum said:

What about D/N tests? Don't you think it plays to the advantage of teams like Aus, Eng, NZ? 

 

NZ is coming for a 2 test series later this year, hope we don't give them any chance of competing, shut those *ers out from ball one. After the pitches they served last year, need some payback. Still annoys me that after the trash they served in 2002 (and the likes of Fleming throwing shade at our batsmen), we welcomed them with pattas in 2004, they escaped with 0-0. They deserved nothing less than 2004 Wankhede type akharas back then. 

 

we blanked them in 16 on very sporting tracks. kolkata was seam friendly.

[Serpico]

Traditionally the Chepauk pitch has worn a bald look. However this time around it has been lush green across the square and the outfield. 

 

"There is no open spot. The outfield has a soft bed and is lush green," Ramesh says 

 

 

Ramesh is confident about what could be in store in the next two weeks. "We are working to get a sporting wicket," he says. "It will be a typical Chepauk pitch with English look. It will work for all three departments. It will be a keen contest between bat and ball. First day, there will be something for the fast bowlers. Second and third days will favour batsmen. Fourth day onwards there will be wear and tear and support the spinners."

 

 

The groundsmen are working on two different types of pitch with varying soil profiles. One is purely red soil, but its character is different to the red soil at the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai, which generally provides bounce and assistance to all bowlers. The red soil in Chennai, on the other hand, can become flat quickly once rolled. This is one reason - at the moment - the pitch will have a greenish cover on the first day. The second pitch has a mixed profile: a base with the local red soil of about three inches with a top layer comprising black clay. A final decision on which pitch will host the first Test will be made in the days leading up to the match.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-vs-england-chepauk-accidental-curator-set-to-roll-out-pitch-with-english-look-1249664

Edited January 31, 2021 by Serpico

[Serpico]

39 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Still annoys me that after the trash they served in 2002 (and the likes of Fleming throwing shade at our batsmen), we welcomed them with pattas in 2004, they escaped with 0-0. They deserved nothing less than 2004 Wankhede type akharas back then. 

Newzealand out batted our batsmen in the second test and enforced a follow on. There's no guarantee what could have happened on rank turner. Even Wankhede 2004 was pretty close and we won a crucial toss thankfully

 

There's always risk of collapse on such wildcard pitches. Even 2002 NZ series wasn't total drubbing, NZ collapsed to 94 in second test first innings. They were lucky that they won both the tosses just like last year.

 

It's better to have good pitches and remove toss out of equation than prepare rank turner for badla and gamble the series

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

When test matches in NZ and England  finish within 2.5 days ( especially NZ ) - on unplayable seaming tracks - all is well.  No doctored pitches, infact it is counted as brilliance of Anderson and Boult...etc and incompetence of Indian batters on foreign soil.

 

 

 

The Indian media and ex-players should start getting vocal about the NZ pitches and some pitches in England. 

 

 

[Soldier]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

What about D/N tests? Don't you think it plays to the advantage of teams like Aus, Eng, NZ? 

 

NZ is coming for a 2 test series later this year, hope we don't give them any chance of competing, shut those *ers out from ball one. After the pitches they served last year, need some payback. Still annoys me that after the trash they served in 2002 (and the likes of Fleming throwing shade at our batsmen), we welcomed them with pattas in 2004, they escaped with 0-0. They deserved nothing less than 2004 Wankhede type akharas back then. 

Very true. What did flem say about Indian batsmen? 

 

Their auakat will be destroyed when they tour this year. Enough of this bullshit. I am sick of those twats. They need to be buried for good. We need to take them seirously. I am sure we will this time. 

[Soldier]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

The Indian media and ex-players should start getting vocal about the NZ pitches and some pitches in England. 

 

 

NhA. We should aim to what them in their own crappy pitches. We just need to start playing them with the same intensity we display vs Australia. That's all. 

[Serpico]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

The Indian media and ex-players should start getting vocal about the NZ pitches and some pitches in England. 

That doesn't change anything. Indian pacers should outbowl the Sena pacers on doctered pitches so they will not take such risks again. (And our panautis should also win some tosses ffs)

 

After the 2006 tour to SA when sreeshanth scared saffers by running through their lineup, SA prepared good pitches in subsequent tour. After pune debacle when Steve O'Keefe ran through ours, we didn't prepare another rank turner since. Defeating is the best way to stop home teams from preparing awful pitches next time. Wish we played a good swing bowler in NZ and won a match so they won't pull it again

[Gollum]

8 minutes ago, Soldier said:

Very true. What did flem say about Indian batsmen? 

The usual HTB/FTB stuff, how we shouldn't complain about the pitches etc. Don't remember completely but him and that opener Richardson did get lippy. 

[Gollum]

What is the meaning of 'English look', this Chennai curator keeps barking those words, wtf does he want to say? Never heard Lord's pitch with Indian look or Cape Town pitch with Galle look. BCCI couldn't find someone better to do this job?