EnterTheVoid Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I was very happy to read about the all female Air India flight from Bangalore to San Francisco. Great to see women thrive and succeed in historically male dominated professions. Cricketics and Mariyam 2
nikred Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Looking at the developed countries, where you have more freedom/options to select your choice of field to work in, it seems women are more inclined to stay away from STEM fields. Sent from my SM-M315F using Tapatalk
MechEng Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, EnterTheVoid said: I was very happy to read about the all female Air India flight from Bangalore to San Francisco. Great to see women thrive and succeed in historically male dominated professions. Female cabin crew, pilots and passengers? Isn't that kind of unnecessary?
PunterLog Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, nikred said: Looking at the developed countries, where you have more freedom/options to select your choice of field to work in, it seems women are more inclined to stay away from STEM fields. Sent from my SM-M315F using Tapatalk Yep! Jordan Peterson said the exact thing i.e when women have economic safety and can choose fields based on interest, they choose non-STEM fields. He likes to give the example of Bangladesh which has more women in STEM compared to Scandinavian countries. Does that mean Bangladesh is better than Scandinavia? Clarke and bhakum20 2
maniac Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Most of these girls are Engineering students trying to get the elusive Visa. Not till we have actual role models who break through barriers of innovation,science or become influencers in other areas, these stats don’t mean much. Whats the point if we have 10 girls who are engineering students just working in TCS, Wipro and on the other hand you are getting 1/3 of such women becoming entrepreneurs and innovators in other countries. These are like cricket stats without context. If this is a stat just to show literacy rate and how Indian culture respects women, it’s sad that we need these numbers to make a point. bhakum20 1
Clarke Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I suppose there's no such targets for gender equality in mining.
gattaca Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, maniac said: Most of these girls are Engineering students trying to get the elusive Visa. Not till we have actual role models who break through barriers of innovation,science or become influencers in other areas, these stats don’t mean much. Whats the point if we have 10 girls who are engineering students just working in TCS, Wipro and on the other hand you are getting 1/3 of such women becoming entrepreneurs and innovators in other countries. These are like cricket stats without context. If this is a stat just to show literacy rate and how Indian culture respects women, it’s sad that we need these numbers to make a point. One step at a time first you need to get economic independence. Indian middle class and lower class needs to be economically strong for the next gen to pick up innovation.
EnterTheVoid Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 After studying a STEM field - typically, Engineering, IT and/or Computer Science - you get hired by a "consultancy" (read: bodyshop). You get put on a client site and get forgotten there. And if you want to change roles, the "pimp to pay check" turn around time is no less than six weeks. No wonder they're avoiding STEM fields.
bhakum20 Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 @maniac “Most of these girls are Engineering students trying to get the elusive Visa.” Exactly. The Reddit sub iwantout is filled with women from India complaining about “toxic parents” wanting to get them married off early and “toxic country” being “unsafe for women”. I feel most of their issues are exaggerated. India is a huge country, just move to another state to get away from your “toxic family”! And there 100’s of millions of women living happily in India lmao. India is not at war that people feel unsafe there and desperate to want to get out. They’re just economic migrants masquerading as people in “danger” maniac 1
Clarke Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 @BacktoCricaddict what's the idea here, women empowerment ? Coz parents and society literally forcing teens including girls on career choices doesn't sound like it.
kubrickian Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 19 hours ago, maniac said: Most of these girls are Engineering students trying to get the elusive Visa. Not till we have actual role models who break through barriers of innovation,science or become influencers in other areas, these stats don’t mean much. Whats the point if we have 10 girls who are engineering students just working in TCS, Wipro and on the other hand you are getting 1/3 of such women becoming entrepreneurs and innovators in other countries. These are like cricket stats without context. If this is a stat just to show literacy rate and how Indian culture respects women, it’s sad that we need these numbers to make a point. Not everyone can become an entrepreneur. You think every science grad or software professional in western countries is a genius innovator ?
maniac Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, kubrickian said: Not everyone can become an entrepreneur. You think every science grad or software professional in western countries is a genius innovator ? no but there are artists, athletes, business women and women working in plenty of other areas outside of working in a consulting firm. All I am saying is this stat about Engineering graduates is not a benchmark. We produce a lot more male Engineers too than western countries probably, but what’s the point when high school dropouts from the west are starting billion $ companies that rule the world. The thread was about India showing way Are countries like Pakistan,Bangladesh and other countries like UAE,Iran and African countries our benchmark? If we are saying our women are picking up science and technology and that makes them more educated and Indian society more liberal than women from west based on this stat then it is a wrong way of looking at things.
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 13, 2021 Author Posted February 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Clarke said: @BacktoCricaddict what's the idea here, women empowerment ? Coz parents and society literally forcing teens including girls on career choices doesn't sound like it. The OP had the angle of empowerment, but also wanted to start a debate about the reasons for these differences. If anything, there is enough to be concerned on both sides of the issue. Historically, in the US, women under-representation in STEM has mostly to do with gender stereotyping from a very young age. In my field (biochemistry, biotechnology), there are women, but historically, their contributions have been belittled or stolen (e.g., Rosalind Franklin) by egotistical male scientists. Yes, availability of career choices in other areas etc. valid but minor factors. Thus the gap. And there are efforts underway to close it. I made the comparison to India because the West has this notion that Asian societies don't allow their women to be educated etc etc., but here is an example of how the US is aspiring to reach India's numbers. Now, I wasn't thinking about the forcing part - only the ability. Women have equal ability and can succeed in these fields. But, if the numbers are due to forcing, it gives a different perspective. Regardless, this is not just about engineering. Also includes basic sciences.
BacktoCricaddict Posted February 13, 2021 Author Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, maniac said: no but there are artists, athletes, business women and women working in plenty of other areas outside of working in a consulting firm. All I am saying is this stat about Engineering graduates is not a benchmark. We produce a lot more male Engineers too than western countries probably, but what’s the point when high school dropouts from the west are starting billion $ companies that rule the world. The thread was about India showing way Are countries like Pakistan,Bangladesh and other countries like UAE,Iran and African countries our benchmark? If we are saying our women are picking up science and technology and that makes them more educated and Indian society more liberal than women from west based on this stat then it is a wrong way of looking at things. Innovation/entrepreneurship are not related to this convo. They are outliers. Even in India, we have so-called "uneducated" people (e.g., D. Ambani) kick everyone's butt in the business world. And many like him - comparable to the college dropouts in the US who started companies. We are talking about regular people and the notion that the average woman can do science/math at the same level as an average man.
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