rkt.india Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 9:58 PM, gattaca said: Even health ministry dropped Ivermectin as drug for Covid. Uttarakhand govt gave ivermectin to every household as prophylaxis
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: There is a chance of false positive in case of Rapid/Antigen Covid tests. These tests take 15 mins to couple of hours to get results. PCR Covid tests take a day or couple of days to get results and are more foolproof. False positives are possible even there with new strains of the virus infections. Many airlines only insist on Rapid test negatives. The problem is with false negatives, not false positives. False positive means a positive test result when there is no infection. False negative means a negative test result even when there is an infection. @beetle Even RT-PCR can give false negative results for some variants, including the B1.617 (delta) variant. Not because the detection is faulty, but because the virus is lodged more in the lungs and less in the nasal cavity where sampling is done. Regardless, I am pretty sure Govt of India insists on RT-PCR negatives. We were ready to do it for my MIL before we canceled her trip. Edited June 12, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict beetle 1
coffee_rules Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BacktoCricaddict said: The problem is with false negatives, not false positives. False positive means a positive test result when there is no infection. False negative means a negative test result even when there is an infection. @beetle Even RT-PCR can give false negative results for some variants, including the B1.617 (delta) variant. Not because the detection is faulty, but because the virus is lodged more in the lungs and less in the nasal cavity where sampling is done. Regardless, I am pretty sure Govt of India insists on RT-PCR negatives. We were ready to do it for my MIL before we canceled her trip. Sorry, that is what I meant, false negatives. They are Covid positives, but tests show negative and they travel
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Number said: https://dashboard.cowin.gov.in/ You can get some data from this site. They also update daily vaccination numbers every hour. Nearly 200 million of 900 million adults have got at least first dose. Thank you, bhai. But, I am looking for data on Covid severity/death rates in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals. There are anecdotes - for example, a close friend of ours in Bengaluru - entire family of 6 (friend, wife, friend's mom, daughter, SIL and 2-yr old) fell sick. 4 out of 6 were tested (they did not test the 90 yr old and the 2 yr old). All positive. But, friend and friends' wife (highly diabetic) were vaccinated - mild symptoms. Two-yr old is okay too. But the daughter, SIL and old mom - none vaccinated - are in hospital. Is this the norm or the exception?
coffee_rules Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Thank you, bhai. But, I am looking for data on Covid severity/death rates in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals. There are anecdotes - for example, a close friend of ours in Bengaluru - entire family of 6 (friend, wife, friend's mom, daughter, SIL and 2-yr old) fell sick. 4 out of 6 were tested (they did not test the 90 yr old and the 2 yr old). All positive. But, friend and friends' wife (highly diabetic) were vaccinated - mild symptoms. Two-yr old is okay too. But the daughter, SIL and old mom - none vaccinated - are in hospital. Is this the norm or the exception? Only 4% vaccinated in India, too early to publish any such data, even I have been looking , but population is too huge to arrive at a conclusive theory. Anecdotals will rule the world in either case.
coffee_rules Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) Indians don’t learn, baraat nikal padi second wave mein , haathi ko leke, woh patakhe se bhadak gayi Edited June 12, 2021 by coffee_rules beetle 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Only 4% vaccinated in India, too early to publish any such data, even I have been looking , but population is too huge to arrive at a conclusive theory. Anecdotals will rule the world in either case. It is really not too hard. If there are clustered populations (say 10000 HCWs in a particular locality - 5000 are vaccinated and another 5000 unvaccinated), they can be followed. That will give a good handle on the real-life efficacy. But it takes a bit of organization and will to do some detailed analysis work. The problem with anecdotes is that the one I posted above will easily be trumped by someone who says "KK Aggarwal" or "that doc from USA who got Pfizer" died after getting 2 doses. coffee_rules 1
Number Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Thank you, bhai. But, I am looking for data on Covid severity/death rates in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals. There are anecdotes - for example, a close friend of ours in Bengaluru - entire family of 6 (friend, wife, friend's mom, daughter, SIL and 2-yr old) fell sick. 4 out of 6 were tested (they did not test the 90 yr old and the 2 yr old). All positive. But, friend and friends' wife (highly diabetic) were vaccinated - mild symptoms. Two-yr old is okay too. But the daughter, SIL and old mom - none vaccinated - are in hospital. Is this the norm or the exception? I think it can only be confirmed from the data available with Healthcare workers and Policemen. From what I am hearing it is definetely very encouraging. Exception are there but do feel claimed efficacy of ~75-80% against symptomatic infection is about right. coffee_rules and BacktoCricaddict 2
beetle Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: Uttarakhand govt gave ivermectin to every household as prophylaxis Hey @rkt.india Do we need Covid test report for entering Uttarakhand ? For dehradun ....8-9 days from now. Edited June 12, 2021 by beetle
Number Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Data from one hospital. 65/928 infections in vaccinated group. 24/140 infections in non vaccinated group. This proves vaccine efficacy of 70-75%. Right ?? Edited June 13, 2021 by Number coffee_rules, BacktoCricaddict and ravishingravi 1 2
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Number said: Data from one hospital. 65/928 infections in vaccinated group. 24/140 infections in non vaccinated group. This proves vaccine efficacy of 70-75%. Right ?? Holy fark! These data made my day! You da man. To me, the more significant numbers are the 2/65 hospitalizations vs 19/24 for non-vaccinated. Less severe disease --> less transmission. Less severe disease --> less pressure on healthcare system. This is exactly what these vaccines are supposed to do. Edited June 13, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict diga 1
dial_100 Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Holy fark! These data made my day! You da man. To me, the more significant numbers are the 2/65 hospitalizations vs 19/24 for non-vaccinated. Less severe disease --> less transmission. Less severe disease --> less pressure on healthcare system. This is exactly what these vaccines are supposed to do. Less severe means --> less likely to form mutation right? That means virus stays predictable as long as it doesnt get opportunity to form new variant. Right?
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, dial_100 said: Less severe means --> less likely to form mutation right? That means virus stays predictable as long as it doesnt get opportunity to form new variant. Right? Correct. Less severe is usually a proxy for fewer replications = fewer mutations = less transmissibility and also less chance of VOCs. There is still a chance that a VOC could appear, but it is less likely. dial_100 1
rkt.india Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 9:46 PM, beetle said: Hey @rkt.india Do we need Covid test report for entering Uttarakhand ? For dehradun ....8-9 days from now. New circular will be releasing tomorrow. Will inform you.
beetle Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: New circular will be releasing tomorrow. Will inform you. Thanks!!
rkt.india Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, beetle said: Thanks!! Currently 72 hours old rtpcr report and registration on smart City portal is required. beetle 1
Number Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Holy fark! These data made my day! You da man. To me, the more significant numbers are the 2/65 hospitalizations vs 19/24 for non-vaccinated. Less severe disease --> less transmission. Less severe disease --> less pressure on healthcare system. This is exactly what these vaccines are supposed to do. One more data from CMC vellore. I guess efficacy wise this is similar Edited June 14, 2021 by Number BacktoCricaddict 1
jf1gp_1 Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 9:46 PM, beetle said: Hey @rkt.india Do we need Covid test report for entering Uttarakhand ? For dehradun ....8-9 days from now. Do let me know as well, will go couple of weeks from now.
rkt.india Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: Do let me know as well, will go couple of weeks from now. I believe guidelines will remain same. @beetle beetle 1
jf1gp_1 Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: I believe guidelines will remain same. @beetle Thanks. I was hoping they didn't need negative report and would accept vac certificate as proposed. Still have a couple of weeks to go.
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