IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Need4Speed said:

@express bowling @Suhaan what are your thoughts on Mohsin Khan..who increased pace to 139 in the last match when Mayank Yadav shined.

Mohsin also bowled smartly in the death..in my opinion he is still not at his best fitness but these are good signs..perhaps he may improve further in pace by End of season if he remains injury free..

 

Mohsin releases the ball very late, hence he give batters less time to react, plus he can adjust the changes as well. That was the key for his success in 2022 when he was bowling 137-145. 

 

This year, he is around 132-139kph mark, hence the batters have a little more time to adjust and deposit to stands. Mohsin also don't swing the ball but more of a bounce bowler who mixes up with cutters.

 

He really need to up his fitness, he is looking heavier and hence by first over itself he seems to be gasping for breath. Not a good sign specially when you're just 26 years old. 

 

I think he can good understanding of the game and he is quick to adapt. But he need to quickly work on his fitness. I remember Avesh made the same noise when he debuted for the first time in IPL for RCB. Was bowling heavy balls and Samson was uncomfortable in playing him. But as season progress, he was found out and his fitness nosedived. Mohsin can't afford to go that route.

[Nikhil_cric]

Adding to the Bumrah discussion, he is not the model to develop a fast bowler - whether it's the run up or the action. 

 

He has massive hyperextension (probably 45 degrees lol) which allows him to generate a lot more pace than a bowler without any. 

 

[Lone Wolf]

42 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Mohsin releases the ball very late, hence he give batters less time to react, plus he can adjust the changes as well. That was the key for his success in 2022 when he was bowling 137-145. 

 

This year, he is around 132-139kph mark, hence the batters have a little more time to adjust and deposit to stands. Mohsin also don't swing the ball but more of a bounce bowler who mixes up with cutters.

 

He really need to up his fitness, he is looking heavier and hence by first over itself he seems to be gasping for breath. Not a good sign specially when you're just 26 years old. 

 

I think he can good understanding of the game and he is quick to adapt. But he need to quickly work on his fitness. I remember Avesh made the same noise when he debuted for the first time in IPL for RCB. Was bowling heavy balls and Samson was uncomfortable in playing him. But as season progress, he was found out and his fitness nosedived. Mohsin can't afford to go that route.

Khaleel looks more impressive in comparison so far...  But that can change..  Mohsin definitely has higher ceiling... If he works on his fitness 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

@express bowling @Suhaan what are your thoughts on Mohsin Khan..who increased pace to 139 in the last match when Mayank Yadav shined.

Mohsin also bowled smartly in the death..in my opinion he is still not at his best fitness but these are good signs..perhaps he may improve further in pace by End of season if he remains injury free..

He was lively 2 seasons ago,lost lot of venom since injury

Even in the 22 season despite being quite economical,he lacked the indipper associated with left armers

Now hes lacking pace as well,I don't find his current  version above some left armers

Need to see Sushant Misra soon in action to make an opinion who's the best/standout left armer in the country

So,as of now ,sadly we don't have any quality left armer in the country

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

He was lively 2 seasons ago,lost lot of venom since injury

Even in the 22 season despite being quite economical,he lacked the indipper associated with left armers

Now hes lacking pace as well,I don't find his current  version above some left armers

Need to see Sushant Misra soon in action to make an opinion who's the best/standout left armer in the country

So,as of now ,sadly we don't have any quality left armer in the country

Yeah IIRC he was clocking 148 kph 2 seasons ago.

 

Is it just his conditioning and fitness or are there any technical issues in his action?

Edited April 2, 2024 by Nikhil_cric

[Teengunalagaan]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/how-mayank-yadav-grew-into-a-150kph-bowler-1427437

 

From the Cricinfo Article : "I remember he was bowling a few no-balls early on in training in the 2022 season," Dahiya said. "We told him to mark his run-up. He said, 'I don't have a run-up - from wherever I feel comfortable, I turn and run in'." Dahiya and LSG's coaches were gobsmacked. How could a bowler who had already played for his state not have a proper run-up? He was taught the importance of having one, and why it was necessary to take a breather before steaming in.

 

We wonder why we these fast bowlers do not develop, this is the level of coaching that goes on at Ranji level, can't imagine what happens at a lower level. Absolutely basic stuff.

[rkt.india]

12 minutes ago, Teengunalagaan said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/how-mayank-yadav-grew-into-a-150kph-bowler-1427437

 

From the Cricinfo Article : "I remember he was bowling a few no-balls early on in training in the 2022 season," Dahiya said. "We told him to mark his run-up. He said, 'I don't have a run-up - from wherever I feel comfortable, I turn and run in'." Dahiya and LSG's coaches were gobsmacked. How could a bowler who had already played for his state not have a proper run-up? He was taught the importance of having one, and why it was necessary to take a breather before steaming in.

 

We wonder why we these fast bowlers do not develop, this is the level of coaching that goes on at Ranji level, can't imagine what happens at a lower level. Absolutely basic stuff.

Leave Ranji, he was being coached at famous Sonnet club who didn't create run up for him while run-up is the first thing a fast bowler needs. 

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Umesh and Aaron were only genuine fast bowler from India in 2010s.  All others fast medium including Bumrah, Shami, Siraj. Bumrah can be borderline fast but the pace ceiling is lower than a genuine fast bowler needed means some deliveries over 145 in a spell. 

 

Bumrah used to regularly cross 145 k in his spells with the older ball in the 2017 to 2022 period. Bowled 75 balls above 150 k in tests in 2018 accordung to Cricviz. Moreover, because he releases the ball well past the bowling crease, he feels about 6 kph quicker to the batters according to a study.

 

Going by batsmen's statements, Bumrah felt quicker than Umesh. 

 

Saini was another genuine quick in the late 2010s.

 

Ofcourse, Mayank, Umran and Tyagi are a notch above in terms of pace and true express bowlers. Especially the first two. We have never seen such pace earlier. 

[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Bumrah used to regularly cross 145 k in his spells with the older ball in the 2017 to 2022 period. Bowled 75 balls above 150 k in tests in 2018 accordung to Cricviz. Moreover, because he releases the ball well past the bowling crease, he feels about 6 kph quicker to the batters according to a study.

 

Going by batsmen's statements, Bumrah felt quicker than Umesh. 

 

Saini was another genuine quick in the late 2010s.

 

Ofcourse, Mayank, Umran and Tyagi are a notch above in terms of pace and true express bowlers. Especially the first two. We have never seen such pace earlier. 

Bumrah in fast category. Saini too.

 

[MediumPacer]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah in fast category. Saini too.

 

they are mostly token fast ,specially saini or even bumrah in int.They bowl a handful of balls at 90 and then pass off as fast .

[express bowling]

45 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah in fast category. Saini too.

 

 

 

Yes.

 

But I must also add that after his return from 2nd injury in late 2023, Bumrah has bowled genuine fast only in 6 matches of the World Cup, the 2 tests in SA and the 3rd test vs England.  Has been Fast-medium in the other games. 

 

He is saving his quickest only for the big games nowadays. And we are likely to see this going forward. 

Edited April 2, 2024 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

33 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

they are mostly token fast ,specially saini or even bumrah in int.They bowl a handful of balls at 90 and then pass off as fast .

If pace ceiling of a bowler is 150+, he can bowl more regularly around 145 kph. And then the kind of run-up and action Bumrah has, he was always going to struggle maintaining high pace for long periods.

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

If pace ceiling of a bowler is 150+, he can bowl more regularly around 145 kph. And then the kind of run-up and action Bumrah has, he was always going to struggle maintaining high pace for long periods.

 

Yes. If we want pacers who can bowl 145 k+ in almost every over then we must look for quicks who can cross 152 k in every series.

 

Pacers like Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada, Shami can bowl 140 k+ anytime they want to but 145 k+ happens only in quicker spells and in case of Shami his cap was around 146 k anyway. 

[express bowling]

Does Akashdeep have a niggle  ?

 

Not even making it to the impact-sub list.

Edited April 2, 2024 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Shamarh Joseph is Impact sub today.

 

Hope he gets to play.

[singhvivek141]

No Yudhvir still, Yash Thakur is back.

[tapandrun]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

No Yudhvir still, Yash Thakur is back.

Thakur is pacy too.. coming off a good ranji season. has t20 smarts

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Thakur is pacy too.. coming off a good ranji season. has t20 smarts

Hmm...I know. 

But Yudhvir is not bad at all..let's see if he get some games.

[Lord]

Siraj again struggling today. They dropped Vijaykumar and still not playing Akashdeep

 

but Siraj stays

 

 

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Siraj again struggling today. They dropped Vijaykumar and still not playing Akashdeep

 

but Siraj stays

 

 

Siraj is permanent