Should we go for 7+4 combo in Oval test?

[anish2tweet]

I think Jaddu will be playing for his spot for T4 in the remainder of this test.
 
Scored 100 runs at 25 avg (sure his batting position is a disadvantage but he is unable to bat with the tail)
 
2 wickets after conceding 190 runs, over 5 innings, total 76 overs
 
No real impact while fielding....ATG fielder but keeper, slips, FSL, SP, leg gully are the important catching positions. 
 
Not good enough to hold on to the spot especially since he didn't have a good outing in WTC F as well (sub-par batting and no wicket). He needs to finish strong here, at least a 50 and if they bat again, a couple of wickets when match is alive. 

Avg is more than what you have calculated. Also, he is batting better than others. Other non-performers like Rahane should be dropped.

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[Gollum]

16 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

We used to do that in 2000s and 2010s because our batsmen used to bowl. I can remember our batsmen giving us breakthrough like Ganguly picking up Cook in 2007 or Viru picking up 3 wickets in Perth 2007. These current overpaid buggers do not even bowl in net sessions.. Anyone from Pujara-Rahane can be dropped ,It would be bad idea to play only 4 bowlers just coz our batsmen are inept.

Can do that if we play Vihari and SKY. Both can bowl. 

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, anish2tweet said:

Avg is more than what you have calculated. Also, he is batting better than others. Other non-performers like Rahane should be dropped.

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Don't mind if Jaddu plays in place of Rahane as pure batsman. 

[anish2tweet]

Shaw should replace Rahane. 

Shaw ok for Oval but not a long term overseas solution. He has gaping holes in his technique.
How is Eashwaran for Rahane? If he can open, push Rahul to middle order. Ashwin for Ishant.
Rahul at no 5, Jaddu at 6, Pant at 7 Ashwin at 8

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[Adamant]

5 minutes ago, anish2tweet said:

Shaw ok for Oval but not a long term overseas solution. He has gaping holes in his technique.
How is Eashwaran for Rahane? If he can open, push Rahul to middle order. Ashwin for Ishant.
Rahul at no 5, Jaddu at 6, Pant at 7 Ashwin at 8

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Shaw is a prodigy. 

He might have some holes in his technique as of now but over time he is gonna give us way more than all these Panchals, Eashwarans and Mayanks combined. 

Also Shaw at 5 is actually a pretty good idea as he wouldn't have to face the new ball  and can play his shots, even a 40 odd from him at no. 5 will help us. 

He has the same ability as Pant, Imagine Shaw and Pant at 5 and 6, a deadly combination if there was one. 

[nevada]

2 hours ago, anish2tweet said:

Why not Hardik Pandya?

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Isn't Pandya bowling sparingly these days? Plus he is a hit the deck type.

[Lord]

58 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Can do that if we play Vihari and SKY. Both can bowl. 

 

SKY doesn't bowl

[Vijy]

9 hours ago, Adamant said:

Shaw is a prodigy. 

He might have some holes in his technique as of now but over time he is gonna give us way more than all these Panchals, Eashwarans and Mayanks combined. 

Also Shaw at 5 is actually a pretty good idea as he wouldn't have to face the new ball  and can play his shots, even a 40 odd from him at no. 5 will help us. 

He has the same ability as Pant, Imagine Shaw and Pant at 5 and 6, a deadly combination if there was one. 

you have probably never seen shaw bat in long-format then. he is quite poor against reasonable quality spin (not some random WI spinners) - I have seen him get out so many times getting into weird positions, playing away from the body, etc. expect moeen to gobble him up.

[Suhaan]

People need to calm down,Ishant is not playing 3 consecutive tests anyway,he will be benched for sure

Thakur needs to come in his place not Ashwin,

England are not fools,it doesn't matter how good/bad is our bowling ,they know they can knock down are whole line up before tea first day itself if we bat first,they won't give us a hint of coming back by removing grass

Ashwin maybe good but it will be like taking a punt on him,all hell will break loose if he fails on kohli

If he walks into the side ,Kohli needs to make sure he isn't bowled less else that would mean breaking backs of your aces Bumrah,Siraj

The question is, does he have that amount of confidence in Ashwin?

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

People need to calm down,Ishant is not playing 3 consecutive tests anyway,he will be benched for sure

Thakur needs to come in his place not Ashwin,

England are not fools,it doesn't matter how good/bad is our bowling ,they know they can knock down are whole line up before tea first day itself if we bat first,they won't give us a hint of coming back by removing grass

Ashwin maybe good but it will be like taking a punt on him,all hell will break loose if he fails on kohli

If he walks into the side ,Kohli needs to make sure he isn't bowled less else that would mean breaking backs of your aces Bumrah,Siraj

The question is, does he have that amount of confidence in Ashwin?

Lolli will probably not bench his cheerleaders like ishant or rahane.

[Adamant]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

you have probably never seen shaw bat in long-format then. he is quite poor against reasonable quality spin (not some random WI spinners) - I have seen him get out so many times getting into weird positions, playing away from the body, etc. expect moeen to gobble him up.

Doesn't matter. 

He is the next big thing, he's gonna deliver just a matter of when not if. 

Shouldn't waste time on 2nd class talents like Mayank, Easwaran, Vihari when we have a prodigy in our dressing room. 

What will these Vihari's, Mayanks do? Nothing, just one or two good innings before the inevitable failure. 

Why not invest time on someone who has twice their ability 

[SRT100]

On 8/27/2021 at 10:53 PM, Trichromatic said:

 

This team badly needs an extra batsman.

 

Bowlers will do better if they have some runs to defend.

Playing Ashwin instead of Rahane, IMO strengthens the batting order immensely.

[SRT100]

Hitman

Shaw

Mayank

Kohli

KL

Pant

Jaddu

Ashwin

Shami

Bumraj

Siraj

 

This side will win the 4th Test.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Vijy said:

you have probably never seen shaw bat in long-format then. he is quite poor against reasonable quality spin (not some random WI spinners) - I have seen him get out so many times getting into weird positions, playing away from the body, etc. expect moeen to gobble him up.

yup he isnt, even in IPL teams started targeting him with spin . A lot of times he gets out misjudging the length

His game as improved against spin but not that much

[Adamant]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yup he isnt, even in IPL teams started targeting him with spin . A lot of times he gets out misjudging the length

His game as improved against spin but not that much

No buddy you are definitely wrong about this, Shaw is an excellent player of spin. 

Also don't you think it's better to invest on him than some b grade talents who will inevitably end up with many failures in overseas conditions 

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[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Adamant said:

No buddy you are definitely wrong about this, Shaw is an excellent player of spin. 

 

No he isnt , seen enough of him

 

3 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Also don't you think it's better to invest on him than some b grade talents who will inevitably end up with many failures in overseas conditions 

Im all for investing in shaw, gill coz they are long term players but to think of them as immediate solution is wrong. They ll fail n have a lot of inconsistencies as well which what bothers me specially how i have seen ppl react to KL, pant, hardik n others new players. 

 

Everyone thinks next guy wud be some great solution but with just 2 failures they ll aim for his blood. Young players will be inconsistent 90% of times and will ups n down

 

Coming back to shaw, he has a lot of issues against lateral movement so even he ll have his huge problems. When u talk about investment u also need to understand u need patience. 

In all honesty none of the new players will be a massive upgrade even on the declining current players for next few yrs. 

[anish2tweet]

Doesn't matter. 
He is the next big thing, he's gonna deliver just a matter of when not if. 
Shouldn't waste time on 2nd class talents like Mayank, Easwaran, Vihari when we have a prodigy in our dressing room. 
What will these Vihari's, Mayanks do? Nothing, just one or two good innings before the inevitable failure. 
Why not invest time on someone who has twice their ability 

Vihari played amazing shots, he was capable of anchoring. Don't you think it is the need of the hour instead of rash big hitting?

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[rollingstoned]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

No buddy you are definitely wrong about this, Shaw is an excellent player of spin. 

Also don't you think it's better to invest on him than some b grade talents who will inevitably end up with many failures in overseas conditions 

shaw atm is a worse player of spin than rahane, as if that was even possible. i like the guy but playing him is not without risks.